Advice on small cab... replacing Ampeg SVT410HE

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Sietze B

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Hey fellow bassists,
I would like some advice...
At this moment I have a Markbass Little Mark iii and an Ampeg SVT410HE cab.

I love the sound of it, but here is my "problem":
Mostly I play in small venues, churches etc. Usually with PA. My amp really is nothing much more than my stage monitor.

Even with the volume very low, it seems my rig is producing quite some volume in the venue, but leaves me without hearing myself properly on stage.

Could it be that with the 4x10" cab, there is always a lot of air being moved compared to, say, a 1x12" cab?

Would changing to a single 12" cab help me to be able to hear myself, but without messing the sound in the venue itself?
In other words, would a 12" give me a more defined sound, audible for me but not as much for the audience?

Thanks for your thoughts!
Sietze
 
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Stumbo said:
You may want to take a look at my thread: Rethinking 4x10s Basically, tilt your cab back so it's aimed at your ears. And add a HPF to your signal chain to tame room boom.

Still, with a 1x12 you could set it in front of you and tilt it back and pretty much only you would hear it.
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Thanks, the thread you mentioned is pretty helpful!

But could just one 12" cab be a simple solution to minimise the sound audible in the venue but still function as a personal stage monitor?
 
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I am currently playing through a Markbass Nano and a 12” Markbass cab, (with PA support) at my church (with up to approximately 250 people) I have never had a problem hearing myself, positioned beside a loud drummer. While sitting out front (with another bass player playing) it sounds great.
 
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I think one of the most important things is: direct the speaker to your ear or lift it to ear hight.
I use the Markbass CMD 121 since years. I sometimes had problems in small rooms even when the cabinet was tilted with the Markbass stand cause there was not enough room on stage to direct it towards my ears.
And this is only a 1x12.
Even when you buy a smaller cabinet, get something like the Shertler S2 or S3 amp stand or something similar. If you stand in front of an Ampeg 4x10 esp. the lower 2x10s will only fill the room and the stage without going into your ears.
Your problem is accoustics, not gear.
 
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Sietze B said:
Would changing to a single 12" cab help me to be able to hear myself, but without messing the sound in the venue itself?
In other words, would a 12" give me a more defined sound, audible for me but not as much for the audience?
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Probably yes.

Sietze B said:
But could just one 12" cab be a simple solution to minimise the sound audible in the venue but still function as a personal stage monitor?
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Yes. I suggest getting Phil Jones Ear Box...

Ear-Box – Phil Jones Bass





Phil Jones Ear Box
 
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Sietze B said:
... could just one 12" cab be a simple solution to minimise the sound audible in the venue but still function as a personal stage monitor?
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Most likely.

Personally I use 2 112s, (always with PA support) and feel as though I could get away with using just one. hmm.. maybe I should try that some day..

YMMV
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Tilting back may indeed work if the cab is close to you. My son used to complain that he couldn’t hear himself, while I heard him just fine 30 feet away. I stood next to him and saw his point. Now, where necessary, we tilt the cab (which is simple, as it has a wedge shape in one orientation).
 
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CPB2019 said:
Tilting back may indeed work if the cab is close to you. My son used to complain that he couldn’t hear himself, while I heard him just fine 30 feet away. I stood next to him and saw his point. Now, where necessary, we tilt the cab (which is simple, as it has a wedge shape in one orientation).
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Which cab is that?
 
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A smaller Ampeg cab.

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I use a LMII with a Euphonic Audio Wizzy 12 cabinet for church and smaller gigs. It's really light and sounds great. For even smaller gigs (<100 people) I use a Wizzy 10 cabinet with the LMII.
 
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Sietze B said:
Hey fellow bassists,
I would like some advice...
At this moment I have a Markbass Little Mark iii and an Ampeg SVT410HE cab.

I love the sound of it, but here is my "problem":
Mostly I play in small venues, churches etc. Usually with PA. My amp really is nothing much more than my stage monitor.

Even with the volume very low, it seems my rig is producing quite some volume in the venue, but leaves me without hearing myself properly on stage.

Could it be that with the 4x10" cab, there is always a lot of air being moved compared to, say, a 1x12" cab?

Would changing to a single 12" cab help me to be able to hear myself, but without messing the sound in the venue itself?
In other words, would a 12" give me a more defined sound, audible for me but not as much for the audience?

Thanks for your thoughts!
Sietze
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If you want to hear yourself better... elevate the cab. I have the exact same cab. I often stack it on top of my ampeg 115. A lot of the time I don’t even plug the 15 in and in that situation just a really good stand to elevate my 410he.
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Another good “professional” option imo is get a case for the cab that is solid enough to also act as a cab stand when the cab isn’t in the case. Like this
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A 410 seems like a really heavy and awkward solution for just a stage monitor. Tilting it and pointing it at your ears will be a help, but if you don't need a lot of volume a single 12 should be more than enough.
 
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