Ampeg SCR-DI vs Tech21 SansAmp?

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I've been looking online for opinions and opinions are incredibly dividing, I have a Ampeg portaflex pf350 head and a 115hf Cab, Currently using a behringer bd21 which I think it's pretty good but looking forward to upgrade, the AUX and headphone inputs are a REALLY good thing for me, to practice at home but it's not so much of a deal breaker as a bad sound or not enough to updrage from my $25 behringer box.

I've heard that it depends a lot on SansAmp configurations, some mixed reviews but I haven't heard anything wrong with the ampeg DI.

I'm just looking for opinions. Have you owned any or both?
 
I have the SCR-DI and the Dr. J Sparrow (which is also a Sansamp BDDI clone). Basically they sound a little different, but I wouldn’t call one “better” than the other in terms of tone. Your BDI21 will probably give you more tonal variety since the SCR-DI will sound similar to your amp.

Are you needing the DI function? Do you need a footswitchable overdrive? Does you amp already have aux in and headphones out? Consider those things... you may not need the SCR-DI for anything that you don’t already have covered.
 
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Better how? Also, I’ve never played the Behringer BDI21, but I’m curious as to what your experience was when you played one and why you think the Broughton is way better.

quieter, better built and it sounds way closer to an actual SVT than either. That and if you push it into overdrive it actually sounds like a pushed SVT and not like a swarm of bees like the Ampeg Scrambler circuit.

I gigged with a 1972 SVT for years and still do. However the Broughton allows me to bypass the pre on my Genz Benz and still capture a good portion of the sound.
 
Pair the Behringer BDI-21 with an MA400 for instant upgrade to headphone-out and aux-in capability!

The Tech21 VTDI is probably a fairer comparison to the SCR-DI, it's designed to cop a range of Ampeg tones. It sounds way better than the SCR-DI to me though, particularly if you want overdrive. The VTDI attempts to emulate the sound of the overdriven amp, whereas the Ampeg just adds their (mediocre in my opinion) Scrambler overdrive effect to the preamp.

The Broughton SV-Pre may indeed be better than all of them, but I can't find a demo of it anywhere!
 
quieter, better built and it sounds way closer to an actual SVT than either. That and if you push it into overdrive it actually sounds like a pushed SVT and not like a swarm of bees like the Ampeg Scrambler circuit.

I gigged with a 1972 SVT for years and still do. However the Broughton allows me to bypass the pre on my Genz Benz and still capture a good portion of the sound.
I don’t doubt any of that. Broughton boxes seem to get A LOT of love and i know they are built by a Talkbasser. But I guess my real curiosity lays in whether or not you have real world experience with either the SCR-DI or the Behringer Sansamp clone.
You did specify the Broughton was “better” at getting the Ampeg sound. I haven’t heard the Broughton so I can’t comment. But the SCR-DI is “better” if you need the aux/phones/OD/clean all in one box. The Behringer is a “better” choice if you only have 30 bucks lol (aka the only choice :laugh:)
 
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I have the VTDI. It is a more comparable version than other Sansamp pedals.

It cops straightforward, SVT and flip top sounds, all the way to extreme gain. It has a 1/4” effect out, an xlr direct out, and a 1/4” parallel out to feed a clean signal to something else (can be very useful), and can run on phantom power.
It has dB selectors for the outputs, can be used as a preamp, pedal or DI, and has a headphone jack and a speaker cab emulator. It really is a Swiss Army knife pedal/DI with great sounds.

I haven’t tried the Ampeg or the Broughton. I haven’t read a lot of great things about the scramble on Ampeg amps, but nothing about the pedal.
I’ve read nothing but great things about the Broughton, but I have no idea what the price point is between all of these.

I really love the VTDI, tho.
 
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quieter, better built and it sounds way closer to an actual SVT than either. That and if you push it into overdrive it actually sounds like a pushed SVT and not like a swarm of bees like the Ampeg Scrambler circuit.

I gigged with a 1972 SVT for years and still do. However the Broughton allows me to bypass the pre on my Genz Benz and still capture a good portion of the sound.
No doubt Josh Broughton knows what he's doing when it comes to designing pedals with an Ampeggy sound. But if you ask me, Ampeg could have made the BA amp/SCR-DI implementation of the Scrambler a lot better by doing one thing that the pedal version corrected...making the bass response the same as the clean sound at all drive settings. And then your "bees" sound goes away unless you crank the treble too much. And while I certainly wouldn't say it sounds just as good as an SVT cranked into power tube distortion, the tone and response of them are a lot more similar than different. Unfortunately, too many people got their first dose of the Scrambler circuit in the amps and avoid the pedal, which IMHO is super. Hoping this is something Yamaha corrects if they keep doing the SCR-DI and BA amps.
 
I'm quite familiar with the SVT/Ampeg sound and have had the Tech 21 BDDI, VT Bass v2 and VTDI, the Broughton SV-Pre, and the SCR-DI. FWIW, I like a little hair on the tone here and there, but rarely use anything that I'd call full on overdrive. I currently use an SVT-7 Pro live and I think it's a good compromise between an SVT-like tone and size/weight.

BDDI - had this years and years ago. From memory, this one had a great "bedroom" tone, but nothing I did could get it to not disappear in a band setting. Granted, the current versions have a mid adjustment where the one that I had did not and I never cared for it then.

VT Bass v2/VTDI - These both sounded fantastically Ampeg to me. Both can get you a big fat tubey tone, something with a good grind, or go razor sharp (ouch, my earballs). They are capable of a lot of tone adjustment, so in addition to the EQ tweaking, very minor adjustments to the blend, presence, and drive knobs can go a long way and completely change the tone quickly. I think some have a difficult time adjusting these pedals because of the range of tones the pedals can produce. I even found myself - more of a set it and forget it type player - tweaking knobs more frequently than I would normally. I think these are great though, especially if you do like to tweak or have the ability to use a broad range of Ampeg-like tones.

Broughton SV-Pre - I bought this completely expecting it to be a game changer of Ampeg-like pedals for me. No doubt, it sounds really good and gives you a great older SVT-like sound. It could provide a nice grit on the tone and I loved the ability to sweep through mid frequencies from 220 to 3k. I put this one directly up against my SCR-DI, fully expecting it to be the winner and to list the SCR-DI for sale, but that didn't quite happen. Though it had been awhile since owning the VT Bass v2 and VTDI, from my recollection, the SV-Pre wasn't head and shoulders above those offerings tone-wise. If it were me, I'd actually go for a VTDI over the SV-Pre if doing it all over again.

SCR-DI - First and foremost, this thing just sounds like an Ampeg. Its controls are familiar and unlike the Sansamp pedals, I can quickly dial in my tone without feeling like I need to tweak more than I normally would. Without the Scrambler engaged, it's of course really clean, and side-by-side to the SV-Pre, the SCR-DI had a slightly fatter sound to my ears. I don't use the Scrambler at higher settings, but for adding a bit of light hair to the tone, I really like what the Scrambler offers - a nice, predictable grit that's easily adjustable. I don't think it sounds bad at higher settings, but it's just not my thing. With the blend knob on the Scrambler, I've always been satisfied with the way the bottom end is retained when dialing in grit. My sole complaint with the Ampeg pedal has always been the lack of a mid selector switch, but even without, for my tone goals, it didn't make as big of a difference as I thought it would when put up against the SV-Pre and its adjustable mids. Ultimately, I kept the SCR-DI over the SV-Pre and haven't missed the Broughton for one second. I liked the slightly fatter tone of the SCR-DI better and when coupled with it also being a DI, having the aux in, a headphone out, and a decent sounding light overdrive I could kick in easily, it was the winner for me.

Edit: I've never used or had a newer Ampeg combo with the Scrambler, so I have no idea the differences between those and the pedal. The pedal sounds good to me for what I use it for.
 
Good description of the VTDI, very agree. It definitely has a wider range of sounds than just an SVT and a flip top, and so many options.

I haven’t tried any of those others pedals, or the scrambler on the amps myself. A guy that I play with has a pretty new one, to use with an octaver to make & play bass loops with, for when I’m not there.

Personally, I don’t think that it would make a huge enough difference for me to bother trying the other pedals, as happy as I already am with the VTDI. Plus I have the Pinnick and the Rusty Box for other sounds. And I have a bad habit of not selling older pedals when I get new ones.
 
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Personally, I don’t think that it would make a huge enough difference for me to bother trying the other pedals, as happy as I already am with the VTDI. Plus I have the Pinnick and the Rusty Box for other sounds. And I have a bad habit of not selling older pedals when I get new ones.
You say that like it’s a bad thing. :laugh:
Ya, no kidding! Hang onto old pedals you like. You may want them again some day.
 
I am always finding new uses, unrealized sounds and combinations for old pedals, whether its from just an idea I have, reading someone else’s ideas or something that another pedal can do, and thinking “wait, I have something that can do that!”, dragging it out and it works perfectly for that idea.

That’s almost a new pedal day, but I don’t have to pay for it again. Awesome.
 
Ya, no kidding! Hang onto old pedals you like. You may want them again some day.

YES to that.

I stupidly sold my original Tech21 Oxford years ago, in my quest for tone. I wanted more brightness, but it had that character(ironically) that I was searching for, especially in the mids.
Bought it again, loved it, but used other pedals in front of it to give it more sheen. Heard about a hi-cut filter bypass that opens the pedal up, and Chris from Tech21 sent me the info to eliminate it.

I'm in love with it all over again.
 
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I just ordered a SCR-DI earlier today. Reading through this conversation convinced me I made the correct choice. I already have 3 different Ampeg amps and cab choices. I am looking to use this mostly for quiet practice and the aux input to play along with and learn songs in headphones while still retaining the approximate authentic tone of my amps. Sounds like this unit will perfectly fit the bill. Thanks for your discussion.
 
No doubt Josh Broughton knows what he's doing when it comes to designing pedals with an Ampeggy sound. But if you ask me, Ampeg could have made the BA amp/SCR-DI implementation of the Scrambler a lot better by doing one thing that the pedal version corrected...making the bass response the same as the clean sound at all drive settings. And then your "bees" sound goes away unless you crank the treble too much. And while I certainly wouldn't say it sounds just as good as an SVT cranked into power tube distortion, the tone and response of them are a lot more similar than different. Unfortunately, too many people got their first dose of the Scrambler circuit in the amps and avoid the pedal, which IMHO is super. Hoping this is something Yamaha corrects if they keep doing the SCR-DI and BA amps.

Hi Jimmy, when you say : "better by doing one thing that the pedal version corrected..." do you refer to the pedal SCR-DI or to only the scrambler pedal? THnakks in advance, always like your posts on Ampeg stuff.
 
Hi Jimmy, when you say : "better by doing one thing that the pedal version corrected..." do you refer to the pedal SCR-DI or to only the scrambler pedal? THnakks in advance, always like your posts on Ampeg stuff.
I mean that the implementation is better in the separate Scrambler pedal.