Another TI Jazz Flats thread? Well, yeah.

Is TalkBass a place that will mess with you? Heck yes. Will it cost you? Depends on your self discipline. Will it educate you? It sure can. Will it broaden your horizons and exposure? Well, it has done all of these things to/for me and more, and overall, I am happy with the results.

I have bought in - I got a brand new 2015 American Standard Precision in January of this year (2016) at Corner Music in Nashville (thank you, J.D., for ordering my color preference and giving me the choice of the two you received - a great experience at a great store!). It is yet another sunburst and tort.

The Fender strings it came on weren't bad, I didn't mind them, but compared to the softer feel of DR Fat Beams that I love for their fatness on another bass I own, I put those on. I liked them really well, too. Fatter and softer, both things I like. However, I could easily have lived with either one and I still have both sets - no reason to throw them away.

I knew I liked Chromes from a previous Precision, at least their "aged" sound (on 2-3 years), but then I had not used Fat Beams, and after feeling them, I knew it would be difficult to got back to Chromes. Not impossible, but hard.

I have intentionally fought the urge to try all the flats that are the newest, coolest, thumpiest, brightest, best for metal, worst for metal, guaranteed to turn me into Jamerson, make my farts smell like roses, and my wife swoon every time I touch my instrument. This is a struggle when this place is so great at feeding the inner beast of curiosity.

I tried to read through the chaos of the fanboys and to listen to those that were objective. I had to think a long time about what I wanted strings to compliment in relation to my tonal goals and playing style, and I tried to listen, via my Grado sr80e headphones, to as many internet examples as I could of strings used on a bass similar to mine.

I don't slap, I just don't enjoy doing it, and though I appreciate the masters, for me, a little goes a long way. I want to be vibrated, not slapped as a listener. I don't pick either. For me, fingers are where it is at, fat, warm, pillowy bottom. My two home made cabs have Kappalite 3015's (non LF) with no tweeters and I still reduce the treble (@7K) on my amp.

TB has taught me the value of mids. I love mids slightly boosted (250hz and 1K on my GK MB200 - I own 2 and they are my only amps and fit my needs great) for what I do. That is what made me think that the TI's might be the thing for me based on all the comments and reviews. Pricey? Heck, yes. Softer feeling than any other string I have played in 21 years of bass playing? Sure enough! Do the E and A feel slightly rougher than the D and G? Yeah, but I don't notice when I play them. Do they make playing hard because they are so soft and light tension? Well, not really, but if you squeeze the neck hard, you can bend them sharp. They do require a setup tweak, but TalkBass taught me to do that to my tastes, so no problem. Also, the regular long scale strung through my body just like Jason at BSO said they would - thanks Jason!

I have had them on less than a week - if they get better with age, I will only get happier. they fit my needs. Are they the best string in the world making all other strings redundant? Of course not. Could I be happy with something else? One of the major characteristics of living organisms is adaptability, so yes - with all respect: duh.

I tried to make an objective choice based on evidence. I have tried to play them critically in hopes to avoid the placebo effect. At first I thought something was wrong with the E string - it was lifeless compared to the others. Then I realized I had not set the witness point. After that, boom! the set sounded like it was meant to go together. And I enjoyed what I heard VERY much!

If your playing style and tonal goals are similar to what I have said I am after, these might be for you. If you like ease of feel and fretting, these may do it. I like a low action, and these want to buzz slightly, usually I hate that. I am not thrilled about it, but so far I have been able to reduce it and maybe because they are flats, I only hear it acoustically, not plugged in. Oh, and I have a medium-light touch, so if you dig in, I see buzz in your future.

If I don't forget, I will try to update this as time goes on for my own record, and possibly your amusement. No, I am not cool enough to have the powers of sound clips, but you might run screaming from the room if I did.

Thanks for reading through this ebook, I appreciate it!
 
I love the sound of TIs, but they are so floppy it's hard for me to get used to them. I've had them on for about 4 months now. Trouble is, they sound so great so I'm having a hard time parting with them. It might be me personally, but I also find that they record really well, but seem to not cut through in live scenarios, though I guess with something like flats you aren't really trying to "cut through", but damn I can barely hear myself and I'm digging in!
 
I love the sound of TIs, but they are so floppy it's hard for me to get used to them. I've had them on for about 4 months now. Trouble is, they sound so great so I'm having a hard time parting with them. It might be me personally, but I also find that they record really well, but seem to not cut through in live scenarios, though I guess with something like flats you aren't really trying to "cut through", but damn I can barely hear myself and I'm digging in!

you need more time. the strings need more. let it happen! it took me about a year to become "singular" with these strings and after a year and a half they are like musical putty at my finger tips.
 
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Great post. When I was new to bass I was trying out a few in a GC, and one Fender P had strings like everybody describes the TIs to be ... I loved them, but didn't have the foresight to pursue confirming what they were. I'm looking forward to trying them again someday.

& can I get a quick definition of 'witness point', and not a "do a search!" ... I'm lazy
 
I love the sound of TIs, but they are so floppy it's hard for me to get used to them. I've had them on for about 4 months now. Trouble is, they sound so great so I'm having a hard time parting with them. It might be me personally, but I also find that they record really well, but seem to not cut through in live scenarios, though I guess with something like flats you aren't really trying to "cut through", but @#!*% I can barely hear myself and I'm digging in!

I noticed the flop the first few times I played them, but I spent another 30 minutes or so with them last night and then again today, man they feel good to me. Sorry it has been a struggle there but glad to hear you endure for the sound, at least recorded or solo. I have not played them live yet, but with their midrange focus, it is hard to imagine they would disappear live. I am looking forward to hearing them in a mix this weekend. I will let you know my experience. Provided my aging brain doesn't forget!
 
At the time I discovered TI flats, I had 5 basses. Let's just say it was a small financial setback
Oh man I love this topic!
Ok, so at today's street price of $73 for a 4 string a set of TI Jazz Flats over a very conservative 5 year life span (I've got a set still sounding great after 8) they cost $0.04 a day. Yep, that's gotta really hurt..... and my 8 year old set has cost me around $0.02 a day. Compare that to changing DR rounds 3-4 times a year (which raises no comment whatsoever). TI Flats are a ****ing great deal.
 
Oh man I love this topic!
Ok, so at today's street price of $73 for a 4 string a set of TI Jazz Flats over a very conservative 5 year life span (I've got a set still sounding great after 8) they cost $0.04 a day. Yep, that's gotta really hurt..... and my 8 year old set has cost me around $0.02 a day. Compare that to changing DR rounds 3-4 times a year (which raises no comment whatsoever). TI Flats are a ****ing great deal.

I bought my TI Jazz Flats when a 4 string set was $45, which was at least 15 years ago.

When did the price go up so much??
 
I bought my TI Jazz Flats when a 4 string set was $45, which was at least 15 years ago.

When did the price go up so much??

Wow you're at a little less than a penny a day with those strings!

I remember them still being around $45 less than 10 years ago when I bought some for a Wendler Electrocoustic I'd acquired. Then they seemed to sit at $55-60 for quite a while. This latest jump was fairly recent, sometime in the last year or so? Some just went on a fretless '75 P-bass I just bought (the very one stolen from me in '76 come home) and paid $90 Canadian which is about $70USD.
 
Just wanted to update that I got to play these in my band context over the weekend - I needed to raise my pickup under the D and G strings a tad - half a turn, but otherwise - it was great! Before doing that, I was afraid I was hearing what some have described - that TI's can get lost in the mix. After raising the pups, issue solved. This was not an issue with the Fender stock strings or the Fat Beams on it before. Odd, but an easy fix!

I really liked what I heard at the one week mark, excited to hear the goodness continue! I had no issues with the tension at all live and playing standing up. My other playing had been mostly sitting, despite proper technique, my bass is not in the same place when I sit versus when I stand. If i am going to have buzzing issues or tension issues, they are always exacerbated when I am sitting to play. Maybe I have other problems than I don't want want to admit. Strings, though, and awesome tone, are NOT one of them!