Begginer needs help.

Hello! I've been playing bass for a year and a half and I've noticed my current bass (which came in an beginner bundle, you know, bass + amp + cables) isn't doing the trick for me anymore. I am mostly a metal player, and most of the songs I play on bass are progressive rock and heavy metal, so I want to buy a bass that can give off an strong, heavy sound within a budget of 600 dollars, as I currently have 750 dollars stored for a bass improvement + new amp and I'll use 150 or less on the amp. I've been eyeing up the LTD F-104 but I feel like I need a real, strong improvement to my bass. My current one is a poopy 150 dollars freeman.
Any recommendations? I'd also really like a nice looking bass, like the LTD F-104 but I can't seem to find any within the budget that is effective for metal/rock.
Thanks!
 
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The extra strong, heavy sound that you want will come from your rig mostly, not the bass.

Check thE local Craigs List for a rig that has a couple hundred watts and some big cabs. Lots of good, loud, heavy weight rigs being sold today for reasonable prices.

Add a distortion pedal and keep the amp at the lowest volume that fits the venue.

I'd allocate all your cash to a rig and an HPF. Maybe you can sell your current setup to another beginner to raise a bit of cash.

Let us know what you find before buying it.
 
600 bucks will buy you a new Ibanez SR500. It's a great bass! Ibanez can't be beat for bang for the buck, and the SR series are very popular among metal players. They have very slim necks, so they are easy to play for more fast, technical and progressive stuff. The SR500 will be a vast improvement over any starter pack bass.

However, like Stumbo already pointed out, a proper rig is as important for that big sound as a proper bass. Don't forget to shop around for that as well!
 
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+1 to @Stumbo 's answer. Sure, different basses each have their own character and sound, but if you want "strong, heavy" sound, that's first and foremost an amp issue. If you're playing through a starter-kit amp, it's going to be pretty limited in its capabilities (what amp did come with it, by the way?). I would basically reverse your spending priorities - put $400-500 towards a new amp. Did that budget include selling off the starter kit? If not, there's an extra $100 or so, so if your max was $750 you have maybe $300 towards a new bass. I don't know what's available in Chile, but you ought to be able to find some good stuff used for that.
 
The extra strong, heavy sound that you want will come from your rig mostly, not the bass.

Check thE local Craigs List for a rig that has a couple hundred watts and some big cabs. Lots of good, loud, heavy weight rigs being sold today for reasonable prices.

Add a distortion pedal and keep the amp at the lowest volume that fits the venue.

I'd allocate all your cash to a rig and an HPF. Maybe you can sell your current setup to another beginner to raise a bit of cash.

Let us know what you find before buying it.

My first thought too. But I just checked his Craiglist and there are zero items in the musical instruments section.

Maybe some Facebook groups or other local classifieds?
 
In answer to the original question, you have a lot of bass options in the range. A quick search on Sweetwater (500-750$, active, humbucker bridge) yielded quite a few LTDs, Schecters, Ibáñez, Eppie T-birds, etc. I can vouch for Schecter, a lot of folks here like Ibáñez (personally I don't like their small necks, but they're well built), LTD's are solid from what I hear. However...

In you genre, you don't need a super metallly bass, off the top of my head, the players of these bands use:
Mastodon: Jaguar bass
Opeth: Jazz bass
Deftones: P bass (first bassist anyway)
Dream Theater: Musicman Bongo
To name a few.

Lastly, as others have said, you can get a solid bass for $300, but cheap amps can only take you so far. You may want to invest in a great amp, unless your totally digging a certain bass. Even then, you could go used, but I don't know what the market looks like in your neck of the woods.

Good Luck!
 
Just like everyone above posted, it is best to first invest in an amp. $150 will get you nowhere. If I were in your shoes, I'd invest the entire budget in a rig. Or spend 500 on the amp and 250 for a bass. Go with used obviously
 
Is the problem you have with your bass the sound of your bass, or the feel of your bass? If it feels fine, but you aren't getting the heavy sound you want, put your money into an amp. It took me a long time to get there, but your amp really is equally or more important to your sound than your bass.

Think about it- the amp and cab are producing the sound you hear from the signal your bass is sending. No matter how good that signal is, if it's getting pushed through a bad system, it will sound bad. A new bass is not going to make your amp sound bigger or heavier and most bad amps are going to kill the improvement in tone from the new bass. Better to get an amp that you can trust than cycle through basses wondering why nothing sounds right.
 
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Hello! I've been playing bass for a year and a half and I've noticed my current bass (which came in an beginner bundle, you know, bass + amp + cables) isn't doing the trick for me anymore. I am mostly a metal player, and most of the songs I play on bass are progressive rock and heavy metal, so I want to buy a bass that can give off an strong, heavy sound within a budget of 600 dollars, as I currently have 750 dollars stored for a bass improvement + new amp and I'll use 150 or less on the amp. I've been eyeing up the LTD F-104 but I feel like I need a real, strong improvement to my bass. My current one is a poopy 150 dollars freeman.
Any recommendations? I'd also really like a nice looking bass, like the LTD F-104 but I can't seem to find any within the budget that is effective for metal/rock.
Thanks!

Metal/Progressive players use all the same basses that the blues/jazz/rock/funk/R&B/etc. players use. You have to look at the entire signal chain. Look at the pedals that your favorite players use. Chance are a lot of them use Darkglass pre-amp/Distortion pedals, among other brands.




 
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I agree you could probably spend it all on the amp and just get new strings and you'd be happy. Ibanez SR300EB would be a decent upgrade if you must upgrade the bass and still have enough for an amp. Maybe a try Peavey Tour TKO 115 as an amp upgrade?
 
The extra strong, heavy sound that you want will come from your rig mostly, not the bass.

Check thE local Craigs List for a rig that has a couple hundred watts and some big cabs. Lots of good, loud, heavy weight rigs being sold today for reasonable prices.

Add a distortion pedal and keep the amp at the lowest volume that fits the venue.

I'd allocate all your cash to a rig and an HPF. Maybe you can sell your current setup to another beginner to raise a bit of cash.

Let us know what you find before buying it.
Well, here we have "mercado libre" and many big companies ship here. The thing is that my bass doesn't give an strong sound. It kills it with the feeble body and bad quality pickups. I thought about changing the pickups, but it wouldn't help with the light, non thick body. That's why I want to change. I got a 15 W amp and I am currently not thinking on going live, at least till my percussionist finds himself a new set of tommys :p I was also thinking about the distortion pedal, but I don't quite know how to use it. I can learn, yeah, but then I don't know which one to get for my needs. I'd like to get one that helps me to distort the sounds in order to make some Tool kind of sounds (which is expensive as hell, but at least I want to try)
Thanks for the feedback, man!

600 bucks will buy you a new Ibanez SR500. It's a great bass! Ibanez can't be beat for bang for the buck, and the SR series are very popular among metal players. They have very slim necks, so they are easy to play for more fast, technical and progressive stuff. The SR500 will be a vast improvement over any starter pack bass.

However, like Stumbo already pointed out, a proper rig is as important for that big sound as a proper bass. Don't forget to shop around for that as well!

Thanks for your answer man!
As much as I love Ibañez basses (I've played on them once or twice thanks to friends that own one, I think he owned the SR300) I think I'll do what most people here are telling me to: buying an amp with more budget than I was assigning to it before. 600 bucks is a nice price, but here in Chile they cost 1 thousand bucks :p
Hi Daniel :) welcome to TB

$500.00 to buy a "used" bass and amp to gig with.

a thread to read :thumbsup:

with your 750$ budget you can get a nice rig (amp + bass) :bassist:

may the bass be with you

Wise(b)ass
I'd like to get a brand new bass though :p I know it's way cheaper to just buy an used one but I've got enough budget to make it work, at least it's an improvement from 150 dollars hahah

+1 to @Stumbo 's answer. Sure, different basses each have their own character and sound, but if you want "strong, heavy" sound, that's first and foremost an amp issue. If you're playing through a starter-kit amp, it's going to be pretty limited in its capabilities (what amp did come with it, by the way?). I would basically reverse your spending priorities - put $400-500 towards a new amp. Did that budget include selling off the starter kit? If not, there's an extra $100 or so, so if your max was $750 you have maybe $300 towards a new bass. I don't know what's available in Chile, but you ought to be able to find some good stuff used for that.

Yeah, the budget includes selling the starter kit. I already got a friend of mine interested on buying it. I don't think I will put 400$ towards a new amp right now, because I don't need that much of a big sound. I'm only playing on my gig room mostly, and from time to time with an small group of friends, but only casual gigs and some rehearsals in order to improve our playing in general, but nothing serious. My current amp was working good in group playing but I needed a more thick strong sound, so that's what I am looking for. I think 400 bucks would be kind of overkill, since that'd be like a 40W amp and I've been doing good with a 10W amp xD

Welcome to TalkBass!

What is the used market like in your area?

Most of it in terrible conditions. Many friends have been scammed a ton of times, and there is almost no regulation at all, since most of the people are scamming without consequences. That has been like that since our Constitution's reformation in 1980, which privileges sales over quality and making money over making it ethically. So I am almost forced to ship myself a product from outside or buy it from a music shop, since it's a country-wide problem I cannot fight against currently.
 
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In answer to the original question, you have a lot of bass options in the range. A quick search on Sweetwater (500-750$, active, humbucker bridge) yielded quite a few LTDs, Schecters, Ibáñez, Eppie T-birds, etc. I can vouch for Schecter, a lot of folks here like Ibáñez (personally I don't like their small necks, but they're well built), LTD's are solid from what I hear. However...

In you genre, you don't need a super metallly bass, off the top of my head, the players of these bands use:
Mastodon: Jaguar bass
Opeth: Jazz bass
Deftones: P bass (first bassist anyway)
Dream Theater: Musicman Bongo
To name a few.

Lastly, as others have said, you can get a solid bass for $300, but cheap amps can only take you so far. You may want to invest in a great amp, unless your totally digging a certain bass. Even then, you could go used, but I don't know what the market looks like in your neck of the woods.

Good Luck!

Thanks for the list! I am thinking on spending around 200$ on an amp and 550$ on a bass in order to balance it out, because the used market in my country is literally full of scams and non regulated sales.
Are ltds really that bad? Because I was craving the F-104... It costs around 500 dollars, so I could manage to spend 250 on a good amp and then I'd be done with improving my equipment for at least a year :p
Thanks again for answering man!

Is the problem you have with your bass the sound of your bass, or the feel of your bass? If it feels fine, but you aren't getting the heavy sound you want, put your money into an amp. It took me a long time to get there, but your amp really is equally or more important to your sound than your bass.

Think about it- the amp and cab are producing the sound you hear from the signal your bass is sending. No matter how good that signal is, if it's getting pushed through a bad system, it will sound bad. A new bass is not going to make your amp sound bigger or heavier and most bad amps are going to kill the improvement in tone from the new bass. Better to get an amp that you can trust than cycle through basses wondering why nothing sounds right.

It is definitely the feel. I need a more thick, strong feeling bass. The sound I can get depends on the amp, but the feel of it is way too weak and slender.

Metal/Progressive players use all the same basses that the blues/jazz/rock/funk/R&N/etc. players use. You have to look at the entire signal chain. Look at the pedals that your favorite players use. Chance are a lot of them use Darkglass pre-amp/Distortion pedals, among other brands.






So I should spend some of my budget in pedals? I think they are very expensive here in Chile :/
I agree you could probably spend it all on the amp and just get new strings and you'd be happy. Ibanez SR300EB would be a decent upgrade if you must upgrade the bass and still have enough for an amp. Maybe a try Peavey Tour TKO 115 as an amp upgrade?

The thing is, my amp has been working just fine. My bass even feels outdated in relation to the amp. It sounds way too feeble and I can't distinguish notes from each other when I am playing fast, even when silencing notes or spacing them out. I've consulted with friends and it isn't a technique issue, since I've played on Ibañez and Schecters and I do just fine on them... But my bass tends to feel feeble. It isn't an amp issue, though I am definitely improving it, but it is more of a bass issue.
 
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