Bergantino CN212 vs Genzler Magellan 212T

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Greetings y'all, first post to the forum.

As the title implies, I have been researching cabinets in order to complete my first bass rig. My musical background is primarily in playing drums for the last sixteen years. I have played drums and toured a good amount, mostly in punk/hardcore bands. Recently have decided to change gears a bit and have started playing bass in a post-punk band (in the vein of: Hüsker Dü, Joy Division, Diät etc.) with some friends. Yes, I will be joining the other side of the rhythm section.

It has taken some time and hard learned lessons to appreciate that in musical performance and gear, more is not always more. Don't get me wrong, a fridge certainly offers a commanding stage presence and feeling the rumble pour over your body can be a spiritual experience, but I don't need that size or volume for what we are going to be doing. We will be playing predominantly small clubs and bars and likely some basement shows. I have made up my mind that I will be purchasing the Orange OB1-500 for my head.

My dilemma now is what cabinet to pair with the OB1-500. I was attracted to both the Bergantino and Genzler offerings because they are lightweight and vertically oriented cabinets, which makes for an efficient use of floor space. The weight aspect is a huge thing, because after schlepping a kit (and band mates cabs and heads) I can't stand the idea of lugging an 80+ pound cabinet to and from shows, practice, etc. I also do not have a car, and commute primarily via city bus. Have played through some Genz Benz stuff (Uber 212) and really liked them. Unfortunately there are no music stores around me that carry the Genzler or Bergantino gear.

Both cabinets are both rated at 700 watts, both loaded with neo drivers. I know the Genzler is loaded with Faitals, I believe the Bergantino is loaded with Eminence? Not sure if there are substantial differences in sonic characteristics between them. Also curious if there would be any significant differences in volume between these two cabs. The cabs are equal in height at 31", but the Genzler is just a hair larger in width and depth (19" vs 18.5" W and 16" vs 15" D respectively). They are both lightweight, the Bergantino having a slight advantage at 48 pounds compared to the Genzler at 54 pounds. As far as construction and durability is concerned, the Bergantino is made of Italian Poplar with a Birch ply skin while the Genzler is made of 12mm and 15mm Baltic Birch plywood. I know poplar is a considerably softer wood than birch, curious if anyone would think that may impact durability?

Curious if anyone has direct experience with either or both of these models, which I know is a bit of a long shot because the Genzler offerings are fairly new and they are both in the high end price range. I feel like the Genzler may be more what I am looking for as far as vintage vibe, early eighties post-punk and hardcore. I know Bergantino stuff is often described as very hi-fi, maybe not as much in the vein I'm looking for, but maybe I am totally off base.

Anyway, thanks to those who took the time to read my long and rambling post, especially from one of those loud stupid drummers! Your wisdom and advice will be appreciated.
 
Hey, and welcome to the forum.

I have not heard either cabinet so I can't help you directly. I am curious why you chose the CN out of the Bergantino lineup, when the HDN 212 might be more up your alley tonally, and yet still meets your size and weight requirements?
 
I haven't tried that specific Berg, but I have experience with the whole Genzler line. I made a review video of the MG212T and worked directly with Jeff a lot, and played demos at the Genzler booth this year at NAMM. I'm a big fan of their stuff and the Genz Benz stuff before, so I'm biased. But I really love my Genz NX2-212T, and by Jeff's own admission the new Magellan 212 is very similar in many ways to that design. Check out the video here for my thoughts:

I've also done video reviews for the Magellan head and the very impressive Bass Array 12-3 cabs. They all sound great, and Berg stuff sounds great, too. May be hard to try to decide without being able to try both, and tone is the most subjective thing in the world so you just have to bite the bullet and go for one, then sell and try the other if you don't end up being happy :)
 
I have the Bergantino. Love it. I play mostly jazz, but mix in about anything else. It is fine for all. And yes it has very good definition from about 36Hz to 6KHz. Not sure what Bergie rates at but a "B" is a "B". As for construction materials and volume, those are designer things that do not necessarily translate to the cabs ability. Both would be considered top tier equipment. However, if you are looking in this price range, you might check out Fearless also.
 
I want to thank all of you for your replies, inquiries and recommendations. The HD212 is 79 pounds and that makes it a bit out of my preferred weight range for frequent bus travel. As far as tonal goals, I would say clarity, warmth, strong mid presence, but not at the expense of low end growl, will likely be adding a little dirt to taste from the OB1 gain. Spfairchild, thank you for that demo video, it sounds awesome! As far as other cab recommendations, trying to keep the budget at $1200 or less. Here is an example of a song that is in the tonal territory I am looking at.

 
I want to thank all of you for your replies, inquiries and recommendations. The HD212 is 79 pounds and that makes it a bit out of my preferred weight range for frequent bus travel. As far as tonal goals, I would say clarity, warmth, strong mid presence, but not at the expense of low end growl, will likely be adding a little dirt to taste from the OB1 gain. Spfairchild, thank you for that demo video, it sounds awesome! As far as other cab recommendations, trying to keep the budget at $1200 or less. Here is an example of a song that is in the tonal territory I am looking at.



I hope I didn't mis-post. I recommended you look at the HDN 212, not the HD 212. The HDN 212 is more totally what you're looking for and is as light as the CN.
 
I hope I didn't mis-post. I recommended you look at the HDN 212, not the HD 212. The HDN 212 is more totally what you're looking for and is as light as the CN.

Damn kjones! I am just an idiot who can't read and is behind on the times! I didn't even know Bergantino had a new series of cabs. Well, this complicates things in a good way!
 
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Damn kjones! I am just an idiot who can't read and is behind on the times! I didn't even know Bergantino had a new series of cabs. Well, this complicates things in a good way!

No problem my friend.

Let me tell you, I own the HDN 210 and the 112, and I'm pretty certain we can assume the 212 is voiced in the same way. I'm also certain you'll love the nice round low mid combined with the super clarity up the spectrum. You will have a great time choosing between the beautiful tone of the cab Spfairchild demoed above (nice job, sir!) and the new HDNs. We happen to live in a great time for bass gear.
 
Damn kjones! I am just an idiot who can't read and is behind on the times! I didn't even know Bergantino had a new series of cabs. Well, this complicates things in a good way!
The HDN212 is just a killer cab. I wasn't looking for hi fi either as I use this cab in a classic rock cover band. I just turn down the tweeter on the cab to about 30%. Super easy schlep and killer tone!
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I have the CN212 and it's killer! I decided to buy that over the HDN because I like the more controlled bottom end, especially considering I play a stingray which has some serious low end. Btw I play rock, heavy rock and a bit of metal.

Whilst I haven't tried the Genzler, when I was shopping I tried the Genz Benz 212T, the Vanderkley 212MNT, Barefaced Super Twin and Markbass NY122. All quality cabs and sounded great (except Barefaced, just not for me :***:) but none of them could hold a candle to the Berg CN212. My new band love it, haven't had the chance to gig it yet but will do in about a month's time.

We're very happy together :bassist:
 
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I have the CN212 and it's killer! I decided to buy that over the HDN because I like the more controlled bottom end, especially considering I play a stingray which has some serious low end. Btw I play rock, heavy rock and a bit of metal.

Whilst I haven't tried the Genzler, when I was shopping I tried the Genz Benz 212T, the Vanderkley 212MNT, Barefaced Super Twin and Markbass NY122. All quality cabs and sounded great (except Barefaced, just not for me :***:) but none of them could hold a candle to the Berg CN212. My new band love it, haven't had the chance to gig it yet but will do in about a month's time.

We're very happy together :bassist:

How dare you not like Barefaced cabs!

JK, to each their own.

P.S., just some advice, but best not to hold a candle to any speaker, those cones are paper, you know.
 
Just to add another variable, I would also look into the AudioKinesis Thunderchild 212. That said, I love the sound of the Bergantino CN212 and my understanding is the HDN212 is similar in flavor. For my money, AudioKinesis and Bergantino are the top two cab builders for the kind of tone I go for (smooth, punchy, deep enough but not boomy).
 
I opted for the new genzler 212. I did an A/B at the guitar sanctuary and i prefered the Genzler.. the Bergantino stuff is outstanding stuff.. But the genzler had more umppph while staying super clean too. To each his own..
I think i will add another genzler 112 to have a 3 112 rig when i need to move even more air.
 
I opted for the new genzler 212. I did an A/B at the guitar sanctuary and i prefered the Genzler.. the Bergantino stuff is outstanding stuff.. But the genzler had more umppph while staying super clean too. To each his own..
I think i will add another genzler 112 to have a 3 112 rig when i need to move even more air.
212 + 112 rigs rock!!
 
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