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Boss GT 1000Core
- Thread starter Correlli
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Looks cool to me, I have a MD500 and some of these algorithms match that.
I'll have to check it out, if I has no effects this would be the ideal all in one product, but to me it's in direct competition with the Fractal FM3. Maybe they could work together.
I'll have to check it out, if I has no effects this would be the ideal all in one product, but to me it's in direct competition with the Fractal FM3. Maybe they could work together.
Looks like it's doing a lot of what I've been meaning to build on my own. Unfortunately not something I was able to find in competing models. In particular, two inputs, send/return loops, and outputs. Combined with built in looping, etc. I might just have to bite and see what this thing can achieve. It could save me a lot of space and if I'm lucky downscale my board. Main concerns are whether the compression is good and if the tuner tracks down to F0.
The three modelled Bass amps:
Natural Bass - Uncoloured bass sound.
X Drive Bass - High-gain sound for bass, using MDP to provide wide range and a good sounding sense of separation.
Concert - SVT model.
Bass Cabinet Models: B1x15, B2x15, B1X18, B4x10, B8x10
Overdrive Effects:
Hi Band - With this effect, distortion is applied only to the high frequency sounds, and not to the sounds in the low frequency range
X-Bass - This effect uses MDP to provide ideal distortion in all pitch ranges of the bass, from low to high.
Bass Driver - Modelled on the Tech21 BDDI
Bass DI - Modelled on the MXR Bass D.I.+.
Also other overdrive, distortion, and fuzz models.
Natural Bass - Uncoloured bass sound.
X Drive Bass - High-gain sound for bass, using MDP to provide wide range and a good sounding sense of separation.
Concert - SVT model.
Bass Cabinet Models: B1x15, B2x15, B1X18, B4x10, B8x10
Overdrive Effects:
Hi Band - With this effect, distortion is applied only to the high frequency sounds, and not to the sounds in the low frequency range
X-Bass - This effect uses MDP to provide ideal distortion in all pitch ranges of the bass, from low to high.
Bass Driver - Modelled on the Tech21 BDDI
Bass DI - Modelled on the MXR Bass D.I.+.
Also other overdrive, distortion, and fuzz models.
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Exactly the size of hx stomp, more blocks but less bass specific models. Still interesting
It's probably still JUUUUUUST out of the range I want to pay for a multi, but it does just about everything I've wanted a multi to do in a package that is the right size.
I wish they had included a few more bass amp sims? Like their Session(SWR), Bass 360 (Acoustic) or GK Bass( Gallien Krueger). Who knows, maybe the next update...
And I wonder if you can use one of the effects loop as an aux in?
Stay healthy y'all,
Brent
** Edit yes you can use the effects loops as an aux in. i just read the manual. Neat.**
And I wonder if you can use one of the effects loop as an aux in?
Stay healthy y'all,
Brent
** Edit yes you can use the effects loops as an aux in. i just read the manual. Neat.**
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I've been doing a bit research on this today and I think I'm pretty sold on this!
Useful, and I think trying-to-be unbiased, review here
If this really does have all of Boss' latest and greatest pedal hits, as the Boss blurb indicates, (e.g. the about to be released OC5, the SY1 etc) then this really could be an excellent multifx.
I love the fact that it has a decent sized screen and the same processing power as the GT 1000 i.e. its CPU has not been cut down in the way that the full fat Helix has been with the smaller Helix units, and why we have 24 blocks (yes, you read that correctly!!!) available in the Core vs just six on the Stomp (and two easy to access fx loops on the back panel means I can probably dispense with my Boss LS2 for good measure!).
Its more modest power consumption compared to the Helix kit will also come in handy if you want to pair it with your other favourite pedals with a single PSU
Useful, and I think trying-to-be unbiased, review here
If this really does have all of Boss' latest and greatest pedal hits, as the Boss blurb indicates, (e.g. the about to be released OC5, the SY1 etc) then this really could be an excellent multifx.
I love the fact that it has a decent sized screen and the same processing power as the GT 1000 i.e. its CPU has not been cut down in the way that the full fat Helix has been with the smaller Helix units, and why we have 24 blocks (yes, you read that correctly!!!) available in the Core vs just six on the Stomp (and two easy to access fx loops on the back panel means I can probably dispense with my Boss LS2 for good measure!).
Its more modest power consumption compared to the Helix kit will also come in handy if you want to pair it with your other favourite pedals with a single PSU
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Thanks for that link, great comparison with the HX Stomp. I had considered the Stomp when it came out, but thought the 6 blocks didn't seem to be enough. I'm pretty much sold on the Core also. Patrick's demo sounded really good. It will replace a lot pedals, I think I'll keep my compressor though.
I'm looking forward to digging into the Core, hope it works out.
I'm looking forward to digging into the Core, hope it works out.
Back when the GT-1000 v3 firmware was released, with all the bass stuff, I looked at it and realised that, my bass pedalboard being essentially all Boss, and all digital, the GT-1000 could replace my entire pedalboard wholesale, and that if I were to buy all my current pedals new, they would cost a little bit more than the GT-1000.
The Core is the same internally, but 30% less expensive, with fewer switches, but I realised earlier this morning the because hitting the left snd center buttons activates the tuner and hitting the center and right buttons switches between Memory and Manual modes, it has effectively 5 switches built-in.
And since during a song, I only need to switch boost, drive, and reverb, the core is a single-box solution for me.
I don't care about the amp models, but they are there. I'm not a huge fan of relying on a single box, so I'd pair this with a DSM/Humboldt Simplifier Bass Station for analog preamp/amp/cab sim, and be happy.
For guitar, the Core can easily replace the MD/DD/RV-500 trio, freeing up space to have a VE-500 and RC-500.
The Core is the same internally, but 30% less expensive, with fewer switches, but I realised earlier this morning the because hitting the left snd center buttons activates the tuner and hitting the center and right buttons switches between Memory and Manual modes, it has effectively 5 switches built-in.
And since during a song, I only need to switch boost, drive, and reverb, the core is a single-box solution for me.
I don't care about the amp models, but they are there. I'm not a huge fan of relying on a single box, so I'd pair this with a DSM/Humboldt Simplifier Bass Station for analog preamp/amp/cab sim, and be happy.
For guitar, the Core can easily replace the MD/DD/RV-500 trio, freeing up space to have a VE-500 and RC-500.
In re: "300 effects types" v. 150
I wonder how many of those effects types in the Line 6 are really just minor variations of each other that Boss would call the same effect.
I'm not much familiar with recent Line 6 products, having written them off long ago as inferior, but the Boss effects product line is something I know and understand quite well.
My compressor is a Boss BC-1X Bass Comp, which I think is one of the best bass compressors on the market, equalled or exceeded only by the tc electronic SpectraComp, so if I were to switch to the Core, I'd be using the same compressor. The Core's X-Bass compressor is the BC-1X.
That being said, an analogue wideband compressor is a totally different beast to a digital multiband compressor, and I don't think digital effects are categorically better than analogue, so if you prefer a particular analogue wideband compressor, I think it's a good bet you wouldn't be happy with the compressors in the Core or any other digital multi-fx unit.
I've actually been thinking of adding an analog wideband compressor to my board just for that reason, for a different flavor.
And not for nothing, but in order for me to use the Core in the way I'd want to use it, I'd have to accept plugging my bass directly into it, and giving up my "100% true bypass or 100% analogue up to the preamp's output" preference—though TBPH, I don't actually have that with my current bass pedalboard, which was one reason I was thinking of redoing my board.
Digital is a necessary, if tolerable, evil for the way I use my piezo bass, but with magnetic pickups, I can eliminate the digital effects I find essential. With piezo, I prefer to use some kind of "acoustic resonance enhancer" effect coupled with a compressor, and all of those ARE effects of which I'm aware are digital, so when using them, I feel no qualms about also using a digital compressor.
Switch the piezo out for magnetic, and there's no need for the ARE, so going back to an analogue compressor preserves that analogue feel—unless I stick with Boss and their insistence on buffered bypass everything, and there's no indication of whether or not the Core has any analogue signal path, at all.
To an extent, I'm simply being overly superstitious about some of this, of course, so don't take anything I have say as canonical or definitive.
As I was saying earlier, given that my current bass pedalboard is already all Boss and all digital (save for the tc electronic Spark that I intended to be a Boss FB-2 Feedbacker/Booster), I'm in the position of my current board actually being 100% directly replaceable by the GT-1000 for *less money* (I added up the new price of my six pedals at one point and realised they cost a bit more than the GT-1000), but they are also 100% replaceable with the Core, with zero loss of functionality straight out of the box, at a price 30% lower than the GT-1000, and the Core is about 1/6 the physical volume of my current two vintage Boss BCB-3 boxes side-by-side.
Of course, dropping $700 USD at once is also harder than building up my current board via the used market piece-by-piece over a number of years, but dollar for dollar, the GT-1000Core is by far and away the price leader for me.
I would like to know what the difference is between the X-Bass amp model and the X-Bass drive program (which is literally the Boss BB-1X Bass Driver programming).
Obviously, no Boss bass amp exists for them to have modelled, so I wonder if there is even a difference, at all, or whether they are simply reusing the BB-1X program twice.
I don't know about the other compressor types in the Core, but the X-Comp is literally the Boss BC-1X Bass Comp programming, and I regard that as one of the best bass compressors ever made. If you like digital multiband compressors, the BC-1X is definitely a great one.
It certainly is interesting, and it’s always good to have ‘spare’ on tap to use, but it is still approx £2-250 more than a stomp.
Using the cost/value logic (which is often brought up) it needs to be approx 50-60% better to be of decent value-or of course it could just be your preferred format, and you absorb the cost because of it, which is fine.
Using the same metrics the Fractal FM3 which has 48 blocks (still has 3 footswitches and about the same number of knobs and Just as many of not more cabs/sims etc) is equally as good value At about 50% more than the Boss.
The power supply is a non issue as you can use an extension chord (which i am sure everyone has) and a True Tone One Spot Plug which does for 1700mA and costs £20 - so no need for an expensive power brick.
Its noice to have choice
Using the cost/value logic (which is often brought up) it needs to be approx 50-60% better to be of decent value-or of course it could just be your preferred format, and you absorb the cost because of it, which is fine.
Using the same metrics the Fractal FM3 which has 48 blocks (still has 3 footswitches and about the same number of knobs and Just as many of not more cabs/sims etc) is equally as good value At about 50% more than the Boss.
The power supply is a non issue as you can use an extension chord (which i am sure everyone has) and a True Tone One Spot Plug which does for 1700mA and costs £20 - so no need for an expensive power brick.
Its noice to have choice