Eden Forum Disappears

Rip Van Dan

Rip Van Dan

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Hi all,

I've received a number of PM's here at TB over the last couple of weeks asking what happened to the Eden forum, so I thought perhaps I should just put it out there instead of continuing to answer on an individual basis.

I was one of the two active moderators on the Eden Forum, part of the Eden website. The other moderator and electronics guru was Armin (bassmann1968). One morning when I went to check new messages on the forum, it wouldn't come up. Then I got a message from Armin saying he couldn't get it to come up either. Then he checked with our Marshall/Eden contact to find out what the story was.

Word came down that Marshall decided to close it because of "costs". Not sure where they incurred those costs as Armin and I were were not paid moderators. Only charge I can think of is the cost of hosting, which isn't that much.

There was no notice given and no explanation posted, they just pulled it entirely. Armin tried to see if he could perhaps adopt the forum so we wouldn't lose all the years of information, diagrams, illustrations, sticky notes, and Eden knowledge accumulated over the years. Marshall just said, "No".

So the final word is that Marshall decided to end The Eden Forum for financial reasons :rollno: and the Eden forum is closed permanently. You can still post questions about Eden gear here on Talkbass as both Armin and I are active members and are happy to help out where we can. Wish I had better news for all you Edenites, but there it is.
 
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Wow. Words (nice ones) fail me.
Asinine Behaviour.
That was the first forum I ever belonged to and I learned quite a bit over there.
Coincidentally, I just sold my last piece of Eden gear (WT800C) two days ago.

Dan, you and Armin kept the porch light lit for a good while. Shame on Marshall.
 
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...well that's just idiotic...I just bought a very nice WT400+...

Marshall, Marshall, Marshall!!

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Keger Jupit said:
...well that's just idiotic...I just bought a very nice WT400+...

Marshall, Marshall, Marshall!!

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If you bought a WT400, hold onto it and use the heck out of it. We had a lot of folks on the Eden Forum when it was still running that sold theirs and then came back crying about it and putting up "wanted" posts for the WT400. It is considered just about the best sounding Eden amp ever built, even though it was last offered for sale in 2004, about 3-years after the first WT550 came out. So play it, enjoy it, and take some DeOxit 5 to clean all the jacks on it once a year.

And as I mentioned, you are welcome to post questions about Eden topics on TB.
 
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Rip Van Dan said:
If you bought a WT400, hold onto it and use the heck out of it. We had a lot of folks on the Eden Forum when it was still running that sold theirs and then came back crying about it and putting up "wanted" posts for the WT400. It is considered just about the best sounding Eden amp ever built, even though it was last offered for sale in 2004, about 3-years after the first WT550 came out. So play it, enjoy it, and take some DeOxit 5 to clean all the jacks on it once a year.

And as I mentioned, you are welcome to post questions about Eden topics on TB.
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I appreciate that @Rip Van Dan. I wanted one for years when I was younger & poorer. I ran across someone's "studio use only" WT at a local GC. I bought it for $325!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is in ridiculously good condition. No dings or dents, not a single scratch, the pots are perfect...even the colored knob caps are still there! SCORE!! Sounds amazing thru a couple pre-Fender SWR cabs, & my Ashdown cabs...thru everything so far!
 
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murphy said:
I am sorry you were treated that way.

No more Eden gear in my arsenal...but I will not buy anything Marshall

bad karma to treat you guys so disrespectfully
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It’s bad enough to kill it for the users but Armin has unimaginable amount of his time into helping Eden users solve problems and giving advice as to how best to use the gear. All that time, effort and the knowledge base gone up in the ether.
That’s the real kicker for me. There’s serious disrespect there. That don’t float my boat.
 
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I am not an Edenite (though I've enjoyed playing through a friend's WT550 on occasion and have looked up info on that forum in the past), but that is low treatment. Sorry it happened to you -- the loss of accumulated knowledge and the disrespect -- but glad that you have another medium through which to connect.
 
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The company that can't be bothered to sell a reissued, even perhaps china-built Marshall Major, is not interested in Bass, so why care about a bunch nostalgic old folks and their Eden gear, right?

We are just viewed as dinosaurs who are never going to buy a Marshall product.
Amazing how right they are about that last bit. :vomit:
 
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okcrum said:
Wow. That's a drag. It's not that Marshall couldn't afford the hosting...IMO they want to break from the old Eden culture.The site's dead, not even responding.

I think I'm gonna hang on to my Montrose-made WT405.
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Marshall changed the destination of www.edenamps.com to redirect to the Eden pages on the Marshall site. The old site is still functioning for the moment and you can find it at www.edenamps.net. No idea how much longer it will be up.

Among other things, you can still find information and download the various manuals for the pre-Marshall Eden gear from there under Products/Historical Products and click on the model you're looking for. One of the nice things you'll find is the date of the item next to the listing. Anything with a 2012 date or later though will have the much abbreviated and less info intensive Marshall/Eden manual.

You will find that the Marshall/Eden manual comes in English, French, Spanish, German, and Chinese all included in that one manual. Evidently they thought it was more important to put all the languages in one very abbreviated manual instead of using that space to explain all about the amp. The worst omission is that they deleted the info on how to set up the gain, which is critical to getting the best sound out of each of your basses through an Eden amp.

If you have an Eden amp and only have the Marshall/Eden manual, you can find most of the older manuals on their .net address. If you would like to know how to find the "sweet spot" with an Eden amp for your bass, drop me a PM or just ask here.

And hey @okcrum, don't sell that WT405. It's a great amp. It does not have a hybrid preamp in it but uses a chip referred to as a "golden ear" chip (don't know what that chip is exactly) to get the same warmth out of that preamp that they get out of their hybrid preamps. It works really well and is a great amp.
 
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The disrespect of not bothering to tell the moderators it was going to close was a bit of a tough pill to swallow, but we can get over that. The sad thing is as @Lowendtech pointed out, Armin did indeed put crazy amount of time helping Eden users solve problems and get the best out of their gear. I also put in a fair amount of time answering questions there too, but I had only around 3,000 posts there and I think Armin had over 10,000. And, if someone had questions about correct values for internal parts, Armin could tell them.
 
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Keger Jupit said:
I appreciate that @Rip Van Dan. I wanted one for years when I was younger & poorer. I ran across someone's "studio use only" WT at a local GC. I bought it for $325!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is in ridiculously good condition. No dings or dents, not a single scratch, the pots are perfect...even the colored knob caps are still there! SCORE!! Sounds amazing thru a couple pre-Fender SWR cabs, & my Ashdown cabs...thru everything so far!
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You got a crazy good price on that amp. Heavily used WT400's rarely sell for less than $500. Great Score! By the way, if you didn't already know it, David (founder of Eden) designed the original SWR "Goliath" 410 cab before he really started making bass gear for his own company. At the time he had been making custom PA gear and this was a contract deal with SWR to design a cabinet for them.
 
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Rip Van Dan said:
And hey @okcrum, don't sell that WT405. It's a great amp. It does not have a hybrid preamp in it but uses a chip called referred to as a "golden ear" chip (don't know what that chip is exactly) to get the same warmth out of that preamp that they get out of their hybrid preamps. It works really well and is a great amp.
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Heck no, this one stays. It's my second. The THAT4301 chip is why I have it. Mackie and others built it into channel strips for mixers. It does a bunch of stuff, including the compression and warmth.
 
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