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With the growing number of threads directed towards going direct and lightweight amps I think it’s about time for a thread which brings us back to some punch-you-in-the-chest reality and why some of us will never let go of the heavy iron.

So why full-sized stage amps when running into a FOH system can get you just as loud? In my opinion, the answer to this question is what separates the boys from the men with regards to your sound. Somewhere along the way, the lure of minimalist setups has fooled guitarist and bassists into giving up their beloved stage possessions… namely their amplifiers. In some cases, giving them up totally, and in others trading them for stage monitor versions of their amplifiers. This was done under the thought that ‘it sounds just as good out front’. Well guess what? No, no it doesn’t. It doesn’t in a small bar, and it doesn’t in a concert venue. And, your live playing might take a dive as well. First off, just like cymbals and snare drums real amplifiers reverberate off the walls and ceiling – even in large venues. These reflections come at you in a multi-directional fashion and carry not only realistic characteristics of the amp but also the ‘color’ of the venue which you are playing in. And, it sounds awesome! This akin to a real band vs. a DJ or band in a box. Sound which is originated or largely amplified by the FOH is generally coming from isolated points left and right. And, this is done without the benefit of studio processing where mic placement, reverb, delay and compression have been strategically used to give the illusion of reality. Combine the sound projection coming from a glorified stereo with a flat mix and you are no aural competition for the real deal. Most people may not be able to put their finger on it, but they can tell the sound is kind of… meh, lacking excitement. Well, how about full-sized ‘light weight’ amps? I’m sorry to say, but there is a certain ‘heft’ to the sound of the old school gear. For many reasons it’s the heavy components in transformers, speakers, and cabinets that just can’t be beat when you want the best sound without compromise. In the end, I am certainly not telling anyone what gear you should use – use whatever makes you happy. But, if you’d like some straight talk on how to go directly to some world class sound, go for classic gear. Gear that is sized right for your stage and venue when using the FOH for reinforcement – not your primary sound source. Lean towards tube or solid-state amps with reputations of being work horses. You don’t need to over do it with speaker cabinets, but, bring enough so that your cabinets have plenty of head room to support your sound. There’s a reason why so many touring bass players use 2 4x10’s or an 8x10. Do you need that? No. Will it give you amazing authority, touch sensitivity and headroom? Absolutely. Gear that is undersized takes away your feel. Again, none of this is necessary. But if you’ve reached the point where you and your band just need a great sound than hopefully this helps you find your way. Lastly, while hefty amps and speaker cabinets do play and sound great in all sized venues, they can ruin your hearing and give you tinnitus. This is some serious stuff my brothers. Regardless of your amp size, you should have controlled stage volume and use in ears. Rock on!
 
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With the growing number of threads directed towards going direct and lightweight amps I think it’s about time for a thread which brings us back to some punch-you-in-the-chest reality and why some of us will never let go of the heavy iron.

So why full-sized stage amps when running into a FOH system can get you just as loud? In my opinion, the answer to this question is what separates the boys from the men with regards to your sound. Somewhere along the way, the lure of minimalist setups has fooled guitarist and bassists into giving up their beloved stage possessions… namely their amplifiers. In some cases, giving them up totally, and in others trading them for stage monitor versions of their amplifiers. This was done under the thought that ‘it sounds just as good out front’. Well guess what? No, no it doesn’t. It doesn’t in a small bar, and it doesn’t in a concert venue. And, your live playing might take a dive as well. First off, just like cymbals and snare drums real amplifiers reverberate off the walls and ceiling – even in large venues. These reflections come at you in a multi-directional fashion and carry not only realistic characteristics of the amp but also the ‘color’ of the venue which you are playing in. And, it sounds awesome! This akin to a real band vs. a DJ or band in a box. Sound which is originated or largely amplified by the FOH is generally coming from isolated points left and right. And, this is done without the benefit of studio processing where mic placement, reverb, delay and compression have been strategically used to give the illusion of reality. Combine the sound projection coming from a glorified stereo with a flat mix and you are no aural competition for the real deal. Most people may not be able to put their finger on it, but they can tell the sound is kind of… meh, lacking excitement. Well, how about full-sized ‘light weight’ amps? I’m sorry to say, but there is a certain ‘heft’ to the sound of the old school gear. For many reasons it’s the heavy components in transformers, speakers, and cabinets that just can’t be beat when you want the best sound without compromise. In the end, I am certainly not telling anyone what gear you should use – use whatever makes you happy. But, if you’d like some straight talk on how to go directly to some world class sound, go for classic gear. Gear that is sized right for your stage and venue when using the FOH for reinforcement – not your primary sound source. Lean towards tube or solid-state amps with reputations of being work horses. You don’t need to over do it with speaker cabinets, but, bring enough so that your cabinets have plenty of head room to support your sound. There’s a reason why so many touring bass players use 2 4x10’s or an 8x10. Do you need that? No. Will it give you amazing authority, touch sensitivity and headroom? Absolutely. Gear that is undersized takes away your feel. Again, none of this is necessary. But if you’ve reached the point where you and your band just need a great sound than hopefully this helps you find your way. Lastly, while hefty amps and speaker cabinets do play and sound great in all sized venues, they can ruin your hearing and give you tinnitus. This is some serious stuff my brothers. Regardless of your amp size, you should have controlled stage volume and use in ears. Rock on!
And unless you’re shifting the gears yourself, it just doesn’t have the same “feel” ! I’m with ya, man. Who needs an automatic transmission?
 
Couldn't agree more. My LMii crapped out after about 7 years, and I am just sick of class D amplification. I might skip the A/B bridge and go all tube. When my old band had a 70s Sunn stack, I've never played better. I never had to touch anything, and dynamics were at my fingertips. Class D is either a little loud or a bit too quiet, or audible for half the notes and not for the others. I start digging in naturally to regain the dynamic and it's just a BS situation. Every room is different, and with a tube stack it doesn't effin matter. Headroom is key to quality sound, these class D amps are running like half power and just dry right up.
 
Couldn't agree more. My LMii crapped out after about 7 years, and I am just sick of class D amplification. I might skip the A/B bridge and go all tube. When my old band had a 70s Sunn stack, I've never played better. I never had to touch anything, and dynamics were at my fingertips. Class D is either a little loud or a bit too quiet, or audible for half the notes and not for the others. I start digging in naturally to regain the dynamic and it's just a BS situation. Every room is different, and with a tube stack it doesn't effin matter. Headroom is key to quality sound, these class D amps are running like half power and just dry right up.
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Yeah well, you can have your big rig and drag that unnecessary mess around. Modern rigs are extremely efficient and can bring it! I have no problem bringing the thunder with my Markbass LMIII/Eden 212 rig. Trust me! I have had zero issues with any Class D amp I've ever owned. Crapped out? Never. Been about 10 years since my first Class D amp.

Have at it.
 
Yeah well, you can have your big rig and drag that unnecessary mess around. Modern rigs are extremely efficient and can bring it! I have no problem bringing the thunder with my Markbass LMIII/Eden 212 rig. Trust me! I have had zero issues with any Class D amp I've ever owned. Crapped out? Never. Been about 10 years since my first Class D amp.

Have at it.

Ah, people act like a bit of heavy lifting is a good reason to worship dry tone. Bend at the knees...
 
Ah, people act like a bit of heavy lifting is a good reason to worship dry tone. Bend at the knees...
I'm 60 and I never liked heavy gear even when I started playing in the 70's. Still, dragging an 80lb Peavey combo in the 80's was horrible. I don't play hard rock or metal so never needed nor gravitated to none of that big heavy mess. Did just fine with whatever I had and was loud enough and had the tone I needed.