Help me pick an amp head

Preferred Amp Head


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I am completely clueless about amp heads as I've been using combos most of my time playing. I've finally decided to upgrade as I have recently joined a band and my 60w combo isn't enough for practice or gigs. I would love for some experienced people to shed some light and help me chose one. I apologise in advance, it's a pretty big list, I'll add a poll to make things easier for anyone would prefer to just vote.
Through my basic research so far and what's available for me right now, these are my top contender. (In no particular order)

1. Hartke HA 5500
2. Trace Elliot AH200 Series 6 classic
3. Eden WT 330
4. Mesa M-pulse 600
5. Ashdown MAG600H EVO II Bass Head
6. Mark bass SA450

Or if anyone has any other head that you would recommend so I could keep an eye out for, I would also appreciate that too.

Thank you.
 
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I am completely clueless about amp heads as I've been using combos most of my time playing. I've finally decided to upgrade as I have recently joined a band and my 60w combo isn't enough for practice or gigs. I would love for some experienced people to shed some light and help me chose one. I apologise in advance, it's a pretty big list, I'll add a poll to make things easier for anyone would prefer to just vote.
Through my basic research so far and what's available for me right now, these are my top contender. (In no particular order)

1. Hartke HA 5500
2. Trace Elliot AH200 Series 6 classic
3. Eden WT 330
4. MESA M-Pulse
5. Ashdown MAG600H EVO II Bass Head
6. Mark bass SA450

Or if anyone has any other head that you would recommend so I could keep an eye out for, I would also appreciate that too.

Thank you.
If you're buying an amp, you will need a cab (or cabs), too, and that will as important to your ability to hang with the band -- if not more so -- than your choice of head.

I'd consider the type of music you're playing (if you have any preferred bands/bass sounds you'd care to reference, that might be helpful) and where/how loud you'll be playing. How big of a rig you can or are willing to schlep will make a difference, too, along with your budget and what's available to you, cab-wise, in Sydney (Australia, I presume).

Both in terms of the cab and in terms of the capabilities of your rig as a whole, it is better -- for your gear and your peace of mind -- to be able to go comfortably a little louder than you need to than to be pushing your rig to keep up.

That said, any of the heads you list (there were a few heads in the M-Pulse line, btw -- to which are you referring?), should be able to make a healthy noise with the right cab(s). The Trace is, I believe, ~200 Watts at 4 Ohms and ~150 Watts at 8 Ohms. The Ashdown, Hartke, M-Pulse (600) are around 500-600 Watts at 4 Ohms.

You'll want to consider the efficiency and the power-handling of your cab(s), along with their impedance, as well.

I'm not voting (at least not yet), but, in addition to the heads listed, you might scope out used GK and Peavey models, if you can find them in good condition and they agree with your taste.

I haven't played the WT330 you list, but I have played a friend's WT550 on several occasions and like that pretty well. If you can play some of these before buying, that'd be good.

Good luck!
 
If you're buying an amp, you will need a cab (or cabs), too, and that will as important to your ability to hang with the band -- if not more so -- than your choice of head.

I'd consider the type of music you're playing (if you have any preferred bands/bass sounds you'd care to reference, that might be helpful) and where/how loud you'll be playing. How big of a rig you can or are willing to schlep will make a difference, too, along with your budget and what's available to you, cab-wise, in Sydney (Australia, I presume).

Both in terms of the cab and in terms of the capabilities of your rig as a whole, it is better -- for your gear and your peace of mind -- to be able to go comfortably a little louder than you need to than to be pushing your rig to keep up.

That said, any of the heads you list (there were a few heads in the M-Pulse line, btw -- to which are you referring?), should be able to make a healthy noise with the right cab(s). The Trace is, I believe, ~200 Watts at 4 Ohms and ~150 Watts at 8 Ohms. The Ashdown, Hartke, M-Pulse (600) are around 500-600 Watts at 4 Ohms.

You'll want to consider the efficiency and the power-handling of your cab(s), along with their impedance, as well.

I'm not voting (at least not yet), but, in addition to the heads listed, you might scope out used GK and Peavey models, if you can find them in good condition and they agree with your taste.

I haven't played the WT330 you list, but I have played a friend's WT550 on several occasions and like that pretty well. If you can play some of these before buying, that'd be good.

Good luck!


Part of the reason why I didn't mention cabs were cos some of the heads came with cabs while others didn't and it was going to complicate/make the post even longer so I decided to take that part out. But so far, my general consensus is that 4x10 would be the biggest I'd go. I like the idea of a 2x10 set up which I personally think is a good compromise between portability and being enough for small gigs.

Our band is sort of an Indie, Rock, Funk Rock sort of sound.

And as for the power output, I think 200w is pretty comfortable for practice and small gigs, which we are doing right now, however, in terms of future proofing and if we ever land gigs with a bigger venue, something like a 400w rig might be more suited.

I've been searching for GK rigs as well but so far in the Sydney used amp market, their priced a bit higher than the rest, from what I see right now.

Eden stuff, I have a lot of interest in. There aren't that many videos online, especially compared to some of the other heads mentioned, and I've noticed a lot of people mentioning that "Eden Tone" which makes me pretty curious.

Also, the Mesa head is an M-pulse 600.
 
Of that list I voted Ashdown, but strongly considered Eden. Not familiar with that head, but in general like their stuff.
I was personally iffy about the Ashdown, some people claim issues with reliability and the head being too quiet for the rated power, but that's purely based on what was written on forums. That being said the Ashdown rig I found, that comes with a 4x10 Ashdown cab, also found a 6x10 Ampeg but that's way too big for me, was more in the affordable range which makes me lean towards it.
 
Part of the reason why I didn't mention cabs were cos some of the heads came with cabs while others didn't and it was going to complicate/make the post even longer so I decided to take that part out. But so far, my general consensus is that 4x10 would be the biggest I'd go. I like the idea of a 2x10 set up which I personally think is a good compromise between portability and being enough for small gigs.

Our band is sort of an Indie, Rock, Funk Rock sort of sound.

And as for the power output, I think 200w is pretty comfortable for practice and small gigs, which we are doing right now, however, in terms of future proofing and if we ever land gigs with a bigger venue, something like a 400w rig might be more suited.

I've been searching for GK rigs as well but so far in the Sydney used amp market, their priced a bit higher than the rest, from what I see right now.

Eden stuff, I have a lot of interest in. There aren't that many videos online, especially compared to some of the other heads mentioned, and I've noticed a lot of people mentioning that "Eden Tone" which makes me pretty curious.

Also, the Mesa head is an M-pulse 600.
Speaking in generic terms -- and not knowing what's available to you -- I would rather have two, 8 Ohm 210s than a single 410, whether 8 Ohms or 4 Ohms. A good 2x12 (preferably with the drivers vertically stacked, so it's tallish, rather than squat like most 410s) might hit the sweet spot in the middle for you.

Of the heads you listed -- again, without knowing which cabs might be attached to the deal -- if I had to pick one to be gifted right now, I'd probably take the Mesa M-Pulse. I had a Mesa Walkabout (300 Watts at 4 Ohms) and liked it, but wished it was a little tighter/more articulate and that it had a little more clean power -- both of which are supposed to be true of the M-Pulse 600 (lots of comparisons of the WA and M-Pulse on TB if you search). Note: I haven't played the M-Pulse.

I've known people who've used the Ashdown EVO heads and liked them a lot. My own experience with them is pretty limited (played one through a stack of Bill Fitzmaurice Omni 10s, years ago, and that combination was bright, loud, and punchy -- and played one once or twice in a store, where I can only say I liked the Evo more than the class D Rootmaster heads).

The Hartkes are supposed to be solid, clean-sounding workhorses -- my experience with them is limited, but I think I've liked the heads I've played more than the Hartke cabs I've tried. (To be fair, though, aside from their combos, I haven't played any Hartke cabs made in the last several years -- their most recent stuff might give me a different impression.) I've read varying accounts of their reliability/service on TB, but you could say that of a lot of amps. :/

My friend's had his WT550 for well over a decade. I know that he had to get the fan fixed once but, other than that, as far as I know, it's been reliable through regional and national tours, bar dates, sessions -- I wouldn't doubt that it's got over a thousand gigs on it. The Eden (like all of the amps so far, to varying extents) has its own, baked-in "voice", but has a super-flexible EQ, too. Been awhile since I played it, but, as I recall it, I'd say some bump in the low mids, a bit of scoop in the mid-mids, and kinda sweet and extended-but-not-harsh in the highs. Sorta warm and hi-fi-ish at the same time, if that makes sense. You could use it for any genre, but I think it leans more to the funky side than the rock side. Ugh -- super-subjective, squishy descriptions, but there you go. I actually quite like the combination of that head with his old Mesa Powerhouse 2x10 cab -- don't think that's a combination that either manufacturer envisioned, but the old Mesa cab gives the Eden a little grit.

Tone-wise, I'd expect the 330 to be similar to the 550 and other Eden amps (though hit up the Eden geeks here or on the Eden forum for nuances and differences), but it'll be down a bit on power. The EQ on the 330 is not as comprehensive as on the 550.

Never played the Markbass SA450, though I think some people here have lauded it as the best-sounding head Markbass has made. I have had an LMII, F500, and SD800 (two) from Markbass. All were reliable for me except the LMII (actually a Combo head in an CMD121P combo), though by most accounts the LMII are very reliable. I'd be concerned about being able to get the head serviced, should you have a problem -- might ask your area techs about that, or see if there's a Markbass service center handily accessible to you.

Trace Elliot heads have their fans (ever heard the saying "Trace Watts"?) and I was enamored with what I heard of them (via recordings) when I was younger. Actual experience with one is limited to playing through one of their 15" (I think) combo amps at a jam several times, six or seven years ago. The amps can do more than the scooped, slap-tastic sound that people commonly associate with them (on at least some of the heads, you can bypass the "baked-in" tone with a switch, but I'll leave it to Trace-heads to elaborate on that).

Afraid I haven't been much help with the descriptions. Can you try any of these out before buying? That will help you figure out what you like and don't like.

Other than that, I'll say that the lower wattage heads (like the Trace) can do the job fine if they're paired up with a sufficiently efficient cab (or cabs).

Whatever you get should, if the cabs are any good, be a significant step up from what you're playing now. Since you are buying used (presumably, with the amps you mention), if it turns out not to be exactly what you need, going down the road, you can sell/trade/upgrade/refine your rig. Either way, you'll learn something in the process about what works and doesn't work for you.
 
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Speaking in generic terms -- and not knowing what's available to you -- I would rather have two, 8 Ohm 210s than a single 410, whether 8 Ohms or 4 Ohms. A good 2x12 (preferably with the drivers vertically stacked, so it's tallish, rather than squat like most 410s) might hit the sweet spot in the middle for you.

Of the heads you listed -- again, without knowing which cabs might be attached to the deal -- if I had to pick one to be gifted right now, I'd probably take the Mesa M-Pulse. I had a Mesa Walkabout (300 Watts at 4 Ohms) and liked it, but wished it was a little tighter/more articulate and that it had a little more clean power -- both of which are supposed to be true of the M-Pulse 600 (lots of comparisons of the WA and M-Pulse on TB if you search). Note: I haven't played the M-Pulse.

I've known people who've used the Ashdown EVO heads and liked them a lot. My own experience with them is pretty limited (played one through a stack of Bill Fitzmaurice Omni 10s, years ago, and that combination was bright, loud, and punchy -- and played one once or twice in a store, where I can only say I liked the Evo more than the class D Rootmaster heads).

The Hartkes are supposed to be solid, clean-sounding workhorses -- my experience with them is limited, but I think I've liked the heads I've played more than the Hartke cabs I've tried. (To be fair, though, aside from their combos, I haven't played any Hartke cabs made in the last several years -- their most recent stuff might give me a different impression.) I've read varying accounts of their reliability/service on TB, but you could say that of a lot of amps. :/

My friend's had his WT550 for well over a decade. I know that he had to get the fan fixed once but, other than that, as far as I know, it's been reliable through regional and national tours, bar dates, sessions -- I wouldn't doubt that it's got over a thousand gigs on it. The Eden (like all of the amps so far, to varying extents) has its own, baked-in "voice", but has a super-flexible EQ, too. Been awhile since I played it, but, as I recall it, I'd say some bump in the low mids, a bit of scoop in the mid-mids, and kinda sweet and extended-but-not-harsh in the highs. Sorta warm and hi-fi-ish at the same time, if that makes sense. You could use it for any genre, but I think it leans more to the funky side than the rock side. Ugh -- super-subjective, squishy descriptions, but there you go. I actually quite like the combination of that head with his old Mesa Powerhouse 2x10 cab -- don't think that's a combination that either manufacturer envisioned, but the old Mesa cab gives the Eden a little grit.

Tone-wise, I'd expect the 330 to be similar to the 550 and other Eden amps (though hit up the Eden geeks here or on the Eden forum for nuances and differences), but it'll be down a bit on power. The EQ on the 330 is not as comprehensive as on the 550.

Never played the Markbass SA450, though I think some people here have lauded it as the best-sounding head Markbass has made. I have had an LMII, F500, and SD800 (two) from Markbass. All were reliable for me except the LMII (actually a Combo head in an CMD121P combo), though by most accounts the LMII are very reliable. I'd be concerned about being able to get the head serviced, should you have a problem -- might ask your area techs about that, or see if there's a Markbass service center handily accessible to you.

Trace Elliot heads have their fans (ever heard the saying "Trace Watts"?) and I was enamored with what I heard of them (via recordings) when I was younger. Actual experience with one is limited to playing through one of their 15" (I think) combo amps at a jam several times, six or seven years ago. The amps can do more than the scooped, slap-tastic sound that people commonly associate with them (on at least some of the heads, you can bypass the "baked-in" tone with a switch, but I'll leave it to Trace-heads to elaborate on that).

Afraid I haven't been much help with the descriptions. Can you try any of these out before buying? That will help you figure out what you like and don't like.

Other than that, I'll say that the lower wattage heads (like the Trace) can do the job fine if they're paired up with a sufficiently efficient cab (or cabs).

Whatever you get should, if the cabs are any good, be a significant step up from what you're playing now. Since you are buying used (presumably, with the amps you mention), if it turns out not to be exactly what you need, going down the road, you can sell/trade/upgrade/refine your rig. Either way, you'll learn something in the process about what works and doesn't work for you.

Thank you so much for the comprehensive run down on the heads.
 
Thank you so much for the comprehensive run down on the heads.
I wouldn't call it comprehensive - my experience with some of them is pretty limited - but you are welcome just the same.

If you can try stuff, first hand experience is best. If not, it might not hurt to indicate which cabs you have available to you and whether any of them are "package deals" with certain amps (i.e. you'd need to buy both). There are probably several decent options, but maybe one will pop out and suggest itself to folks more strongly that way.
 
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I voted for the Mesa. It is such a versatile head that I am not even going to bother asking what music you play. It is very pedal friendly while trying to dial in your own taste. It has some very nice bells and whistles (mainly the compressor). I don't know what type of cab/s combinations you are looking into....... It is LOUD. Definitely,conservatively rated at 600W (but really it's more). Even if you consider the 360W version of this amp, you will hardly tell the difference in volume, especially with a lot of speakers. I have my 360 through Powerhouse 4x12 against a full Mesa stack and LOUD drummer.
 
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I voted for the Mesa. It is such a versatile head that I am not even going to bother asking what music you play. It is very pedal friendly while trying to dial in your own taste. It has some very nice bells and whistles (mainly the compressor). I don't know what type of cab/s combinations you are looking into....... It is LOUD. Definitely,conservatively rated at 600W (but really it's more). Even if you consider the 360W version of this amp, you will hardly tell the difference in volume, especially with a lot of speakers. I have my 360 through Powerhouse 4x12 against a full Mesa stack and LOUD drummer.

I've had couple people recommend me the Mesa as well, fortunately, I've found a pretty solid Mesa M-Pulse 600 with 4x10 mesa cab for $800 AUD/$550 USD.
 
I've had couple people recommend me the Mesa as well, fortunately, I've found a pretty solid Mesa M-Pulse 600 with 4x10 mesa cab for $800 AUD/$550 USD.
4x10s aren't my favorite form factor, but that should be a solid and pretty potent setup and a solid deal -- even here, in the U.S., that's about what I'd expect to pay for the head alone in good shape.

Make sure that the cab and drivers are in good shape and functioning properly.

Unless you have another compelling deal/opportunity you're looking at (don't know what the market's like in Oz) or try it and just don't get on with it, this seems worth jumping on to me. You'll have a solid, gig-able setup, which will allow you, if you so desire, to explore other amps/cabs at leisure.

That amp has an involved EQ (I think you can switch the semi-parametric section on/off, though -- a feature I dig on amps and which can serve as a "sanity check" if you get to fiddling too much). Take time to get to know what it can do. If it's like the Walkabout, the Gain control which have a huge influence on the tone and the feel of the amp, as well.

Don't be afraid to tilt up or elevate the cab if you have trouble hearing yourself or trouble with boomy rooms/stages. If you still have trouble with those, you can look into adding an HPF pedal (see @Stumbo's big thread), but I'd wager that head and cab would get you a better first "real gigging setup" than a lot of folks start with.
 
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4x10s aren't my favorite form factor, but that should be a solid and pretty potent setup and a solid deal -- even here, in the U.S., that's about what I'd expect to pay for the head alone in good shape.

Make sure that the cab and drivers are in good shape and functioning properly.

Unless you have another compelling deal/opportunity you're looking at (don't know what the market's like in Oz) or try it and just don't get on with it, this seems worth jumping on to me. You'll have a solid, gig-able setup, which will allow you, if you so desire, to explore other amps/cabs at leisure.

That amp has an involved EQ (I think you can switch the semi-parametric section on/off, though -- a feature I dig on amps and which can serve as a "sanity check" if you get to fiddling too much). Take time to get to know what it can do. If it's like the Walkabout, the Gain control which have a huge influence on the tone and the feel of the amp, as well.

Don't be afraid to tilt up or elevate the cab if you have trouble hearing yourself or trouble with boomy rooms/stages. If you still have trouble with those, you can look into adding an HPF pedal (see @Stumbo's big thread), but I'd wager that head and cab would get you a better first "real gigging setup" than a lot of folks start with.

Personally still not 100% of the 4x10 set up as well but we'll see how it goes when I test it out soon, guess you can't expect to have everything you want, especially on a tighter budget. But yeah I'm pretty keen on seeing its tonal capabilities, especially with somewhat simple controls, which I prefer compared to a graphic eq amp.

And thank you for the additional resources as well, I had some concerns, although I don't have too much experience messing with high power amps, about boomy or muddiness in the overall mix especially with some stage acoustics and having the volume turned up. I'll spend some time reading the posts.
 
Personally still not 100% of the 4x10 set up as well but we'll see how it goes when I test it out soon, guess you can't expect to have everything you want, especially on a tighter budget. But yeah I'm pretty keen on seeing its tonal capabilities, especially with somewhat simple controls, which I prefer compared to a graphic eq amp.

And thank you for the additional resources as well, I had some concerns, although I don't have too much experience messing with high power amps, about boomy or muddiness in the overall mix especially with some stage acoustics and having the volume turned up. I'll spend some time reading the posts.
Okay -- you'll get to test it out. That's cool.

Mid control on that amp, if like that of the Walkabout (and I think it is), is passive. Don't be afraid to turn it up well past noon in search of a sound you like. Other EQ controls are active, and should be "zeroed" at noon (straight up).
 
As you've found out, 60 watts isn't enough for a band. You need enough watts to keep up then some more, so you're playing at cruising speed. As MarkA said, the cab(s) you chose will be very important to your volume and sound.

Without knowing anything about your band, my generic guess would be 300 - 500 watts and a 212 or 410. I use 2 112's and 2 210's. Multiple smaller cabs are more expensive than fewer larger cabs, but I prefer the extra flexibility of modular rigs.

Going to separates is a big step up from a combo but my advice is don't be timid or conservative. Take a bigger step now. You don't want to discover you have an underpowered rig after spending all your money.