How does the SVT model in the Axe-FX II XL hold up?

DeadbeatLine

DeadbeatLine

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So after a couple of near misses of other people almost frying my SVT 2-PRO at recent gigs and events, I've come to the conclusion that I don't overly enjoy the constant worry (I'm extremely paranoid when it comes to tube amp health) that I have over my SVT. because of this, I've thought about the heinous decision of possibly converting to the Fractal Axe-FX 2 XL and using the SVT preset in it as my main rig, and then selling my SVT.

The Axe-FX 2 would be much easier to transport, would give consistent results every night, and would allow for much greater tone flexibility and editing, ease of use in studio contexts, and not to mention the ability to set up complex signal chains (which I enjoy, for example splitting off the highs and lows to seperate amps etc).

The downside is it would require a seperate power amp if I wish to use it with a cab. Not the worst thing in the world but another expense on top of the existing very costly price of an Axe-Fx.

The question is, how does the SVT preset in the Axe-Fx 2 XL hold up against a real SVT? I've heard opinions from others saying it is nearly identical when dialed in or even surpasses the existing SVT because of the extended options in the Fractal not available on the actual SVT, however I'd like to hear the opinions of other users.
 
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I don’t have experience playing the SVTII or the fractal. But I can tell you that some people will say it’s identical, and some will say the only thing that sounds like an all tube amp is an all tube amp. It’s really personal opinion. Have you tried any SVT emulating devices or DIs that you can provide feedback on? For example the VT bass?
 
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chadds said:
Wait a sec. :) Keep your SVT and don’t let people use it. Plenty of threads on the ethics of this. Boy you’ve given persuasive argument right here for better discretion. :)

Tube amps are robust. Weight is a different matter.
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Very true and I do need to be much stricter on others using it, but the weight is certainly an issue not to mention the other potential benefits
 
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PotsdamBass8 said:
I don’t have experience playing the SVTII or the fractal. But I can tell you that some people will say it’s identical, and some will say the only thing that sounds like an all tube amp is an all tube amp. It’s really personal opinion. Have you tried any SVT emulating devices or DIs that you can provide feedback on? For example the VT bass?
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Yes, I own a VT Bass rack and originally bought it to try and emulate my SVT as close as possible in my DI signal, of which i find it does a good job, using a fractal in the same way would be taking it one step further
 
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I have the Helix lt and the modeled SVT is very convincing. You won't be able to tell the difference live or in the studio. You might be able to feel the difference if you play in front of it in a quiet room. Other than that, those tools are just awesome (Helix, Fractal etc...)
 
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Warwick Qc418 said:
I have the Helix lt and the modeled SVT is very convincing. You won't be able to tell the difference live or in the studio. You might be able to feel the difference if you play in front of it in a quiet room. Other than that, those tools are just awesome (Helix, Fractal etc...)
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I've heard great things about the Helix for bass players, I'll have a look around YouTube and see if I can find any comparison between the real amp and a helix modelled version
 
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DeadbeatLine said:
I've heard great things about the Helix for bass players, I'll have a look around YouTube and see if I can find any comparison between the real amp and a helix modelled version
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With the Helix lt, you are getting more for your money. Still not as much as guitarist do, but they have about bass 10 amps and cabs plus all the effects you need for 999$. I think the full fractal and helix are not as profitable for us bass players cost wise, especially considering that guitarist are getting 50 amps for the same money. If you are a bass player and guitarist, it's a no brainer.
 
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DeadbeatLine said:
Any users with actual hands on experience and use? Interested to hear your opinions :)
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I'm a Fractal fanboi. So take this for what it is worth.
Also, I've owned a true 1969 SVT and a 2000s SVT-CL.

The modeled SVT sounds closer to the SVT-CL than the '69. In that regard, it is very nearly identical. I've done a few double-blind tests and no one has been able to get beyond guessing which is which - live or recorded.

To me, the Fractal models are a step above the Helix ones. I have several hundred hours on both units (Axe-Fx II and AX8, and Helix Rack), so this isn't coming from a place of ignorance. However, it is up to you to decide if it is worth the price premium.
 
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Selta said:
I'm a Fractal fanboi. So take this for what it is worth.
Also, I've owned a true 1969 SVT and a 2000s SVT-CL.

The modeled SVT sounds closer to the SVT-CL than the '69. In that regard, it is very nearly identical. I've done a few double-blind tests and no one has been able to get beyond guessing which is which - live or recorded.

To me, the Fractal models are a step above the Helix ones. I have several hundred hours on both units (Axe-Fx II and AX8, and Helix Rack), so this isn't coming from a place of ignorance. However, it is up to you to decide if it is worth the price premium.
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Very helpful reply, thanks!

Would you even go so far as to sell a real SVT to purchase an Axe-Fx and use the modelled version?

In awaiting the Axe-Fx III launch so I can hopefully find a good price on an Axe-Fx II XL somewhere!
 
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DeadbeatLine said:
Very helpful reply, thanks!

Would you even go so far as to sell a real SVT to purchase an Axe-Fx and use the modelled version?

In awaiting the Axe-Fx III launch so I can hopefully find a good price on an Axe-Fx II XL somewhere!
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Well, heh, yeah. I sold both of those after spending a lot of time A/B'ing them :D I no longer use any traditional amps or cabs in my live or recording setups.
 
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Selta said:
I'm a Fractal fanboi. So take this for what it is worth.
Also, I've owned a true 1969 SVT and a 2000s SVT-CL.

The modeled SVT sounds closer to the SVT-CL than the '69. In that regard, it is very nearly identical. I've done a few double-blind tests and no one has been able to get beyond guessing which is which - live or recorded.

To me, the Fractal models are a step above the Helix ones. I have several hundred hours on both units (Axe-Fx II and AX8, and Helix Rack), so this isn't coming from a place of ignorance. However, it is up to you to decide if it is worth the price premium.
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That's a pretty strong endorsement!
If other players find this to be true, I wonder if the SVT will loose its' loyal following.
 
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I’ve had Axe-FX’s for many years now (currently have the “II”) and I think the SVT model sounds - and feels -GREAT!
 
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baxter_x said:
Whats the main difference between the FX and the FXII? Just the DSP? Or the II sounds "better" than the first?
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It’s mainly DSP & connection types for foot controllers.

& some front panel controls

Some of the increased DSP allows for higher res Cab IRs etc.

The meat and potatoes are the same.
They all sound good in my experience.
As with all things tech newer is usually better but that comes at a premium $
 
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I'm after some amp emulation and a several effect like overdrive, high pass filter, and some compression.
Could the first version fit my needs or should I look after the second one? Are there enough bass amps on the first version of the Axe-FX?
 
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