Double Bass How to find double bass lessons?

I live in Massachusetts (MetroWest/North Shore-ish), and I've finally started playing my 3/4-size upright bass. I can't seem to find lessons near me. Anyone know of anything/anyone? I did find one teacher, to be fair, but she's entirely focused on classical music. I really want to learn folksier styles like blues, bluegrass, rockabilly, country... I don't care about bow technique.
 
I live in Massachusetts (MetroWest/North Shore-ish), and I've finally started playing my 3/4-size upright bass. I can't seem to find lessons near me. Anyone know of anything/anyone? I did find one teacher, to be fair, but she's entirely focused on classical music. I really want to learn folksier styles like blues, bluegrass, rockabilly, country... I don't care about bow technique.
It's challenging to find anyone teaching the specifically roots genre you've described, especially in a metropolitan area that primarily caters to fine arts. However, depending on how far along you already are, you may still learn good techniques from a teacher who specializes in classical. General classical standing and sitting postures work well for roots. Classical left hand posture is great for wide access to notes in roots. While not often used in roots, the bow is a great practice tool for improving intonation and adding special effects. These are some of the general foundational skills that are helpful with just about any genre...

I'd suggest calling around to teachers in your area and finding one that is flexible enough to include some non-classical work. We're talking about someone capable of also teaching primarily pizz, improvisation and playing by ear, using NNS or maybe with simple lead sheets. If your roots desire includes various jazz subgenre there may be some more serious music to learn to read.

That said, for in-person lessons you may find yourself challenged to find someone who can teach and support you as you go further advanced into roots. I live in a (currently) rural area and know of only one roots-leaning teacher in the area. At the point of advanced training, going online for lessons may be your best alternative.
 
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There are plenty of good on-line teachers/resources. I'll pile-on to the folk saying you sure won't be hurt by at least a short period of classical training.

One other option might be to check out the local live music scene. If you encounter any bassists whose style you really enjoy, ask if they would be willing to offer lessons.

One final suggestion would be to check out music camps. I've attended and enjoyed several for both upright and clawhammer. Though they are not a substitution for ongoing lessons.
 
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I probably oughtn't post this, as elsewhere I recently I posted about my glaring mediocrity as a bassist. :D But blues, country, and bluegrass aren't exactly rocket science... Don't get me wrong - bluegrass and oldtime are my favorite styles to play and listen to. But - certainly while starting off - they don't really require much in terms of unique instruction that you won't get from classical instruction.
-Work up a major scale, learn to identify the 1/5 in a chord, and identify the 1/4/5 chords.
-See how the same hand shape can be played in every key - but focus on G, C, D, A to start.
-You will never go wrong playing the tonic.
-Play on the 1 and 3 beats.
-Lock in with the mando - or someone else playing the offbeat.
-Don't drag.
-Keep it simple.
Of course, there is plenty more to doing it well, but that's enough to get you started. ;). Find some straightforward music to play along with and get to it!

A banjo player in our regular jam recently acquired an upright. Over the course of 6-8 weekly sessions she stood by me and I gave her tips on right and left hand technique, called out chords when she couldn't find them, showed her some transitions and alternative ways to play certain patterns. And after that, she's pretty capable to just do it and improve on her own. Of course, she was a decent musician - on a different instrument - before.

Do you play any other instrument? Know music?

Come to think of it, what I just described - finding a jam where you can stand near and learn from a bassist, might be a good option. Note - not all jams have enough space for 2 uprights. And not all bassists will welcome that - especially if they view you as potential competitions. We've discussed this at length before. IMO, it is a rare jam that is improved by more than 1 bass. So if there are >1 bassist, it is often best to figure out how to alternate songs or something. And you'll find some bassists are more willing to do that than others.
 
Most state/regional bluegrass associations have a list of instructors. The Boston Bluegrass Union, which appears to serve all of New England, lists several bass teachers here:

 
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I second everything Ed wrote above. Bluegrass and country bass has historically been its own thing in terms of pedagogy, such as it is. The Upright Bass Primer by Andy Hohwald (it comes with a video link) looks pretty good for learning the basics. There's probably someone in your immediate area that can will show you how to play so you can replace them and they can play something else.
 
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I live in Massachusetts (MetroWest/North Shore-ish), and I've finally started playing my 3/4-size upright bass. I can't seem to find lessons near me. Anyone know of anything/anyone? I did find one teacher, to be fair, but she's entirely focused on classical music. I really want to learn folksier styles like blues, bluegrass, rockabilly, country... I don't care about bow technique.
I'd contact Volker Nahrmann, Mike Leonard, Johnson Strings, and Mark Leue and ask about instructors references.

Unless you are a particularly unusual person, if you work from a standard bass method (Simandl, Nanny, etc.) with the bow, you'll get correct left hand technique and learn how to play in tune faster than doing non-standard stuff. Correct right hand pizz technique also has to be taught. You can shuck and jive your intonation playing pizz, and you can fool yourself into thinking you're playing in tune, but the bow tells all.

You don't have to plan on playing in an orchestra to get the advantages of the standard pedagogical methodology. There's a reason why hundreds of thousands of bored unfocused middle aged kids learn to play bass using the standard methodology - it's the fastest least error-prone way to get up and running for the vast majority of players.

I'm sure the usual crew of self-taught suspects will now chime in with their personal stories of success using non-standard technique and figuring it all out themselves, but that doesn't mean their path is better than the standard one.
 
Yeah, I mean that, for bluegrass, what Ed and I are talking about is the standard. We don't say it's better, but it's pretty obvious Tullock, Maudlin, Cooke, any of Monroe's bassists, didn't use the bow or a standard method. By all means, get the best instruction you can, but let's not pretend that it's essential, because historically it wasn't.
 
I'm sure the usual crew of self-taught suspects will now chime in with their personal stories of success using non-standard technique and figuring it all out themselves, but that doesn't mean their path is better than the standard one.
Not sure if I'm part of the crew of which you speak. I tried to acknowledge my personal mediocrity - which I assume results in large part from my lack of serious study. And rather than urging the OP to avoid instruction, I intended to convey that they would benefit from classical study, at least starting out, rather than needing to seek out bluegrass/country/etc teaching.
 
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I'm sure the usual crew of self-taught suspects will now chime in ...
So @turf3, since you have essentially brought up training bias, just to be clear, how did you receive your training, what is your bias, and what roots genre do you really specialize in? It would be helpful for readers to know.

To the op, for the roots genre you're describing, ~80% of the serious roots double bass players you will encounter are at least partially self-taught, mostly because many if not most classical teachers don't know how to teach the advanced essentials of roots, which are often contrary to classical training.

And the reason more roots players don't teach is largely because of the attitude that was just expressed.

If you're serious about a roots teacher and specifically not a classical teacher, find someone who plays roots well and ask that person for either formal or informal lessons.

I do still think a classical teacher could be helpful, but that teacher will need to be knowledgeable and flexible enough to respect roots genre, methodology and players.
 
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Well, first of all, I am by no stretch of the imagination a fabulous bass player; but I think I do pretty well, and in the crowds where I run, I get a lot of postiive comments. But I guess if I've spouted off, it is reasonable to fill in a little background.

On double bass I play bluegrass, country, folk, old time (but not recently) and jazz.

When I decided to take up bass about 15 years ago, I followed the path I recommend to others. I rented a good quality hybrid bass and started taking lessons from a qualified instructor (MM from Manhattan School of Music). He asked me what my goals were, and I said that I was mostly interested in jazz bass, walking lines, etc., but that I expected to spend considerable time learning the fundamentals of bass according to standard methods. So we started out with a two-pronged attack: 1) Assiduous practice with the Nanny method and the bow; 2) Pizzicato/jazz training, formation of walking lines, transcriptions, and the like.

How I got into "roots" was that in the town where I lived there was a very active old-time scene, with a couple big big jams nearby. I started showing up with my bass. I knew that in the genre, simple was what was called for - and at the time, simple was what I could do. So I got started in the old-time community; but to be quite honest, I didn't find that music particularly compelling. However, from old-time it's just a hop skip and jump to bluegrass, and there's a big bluegrass scene in New England. From there it was word of mouth on "roots" styles.

At the same time, through word of mouth I got kind of accidentally hooked into the trad-jazz community in the area; again, simple is generally what's called for, and at that point simple was what I could do. So that was another venue for learning how to play good clear two-beat bass, with primary attention on rhythm and keeping the beat.

The thing is, that playing two-beat jazz bass, four-beat jazz bass, country, most types of folk, klezmer, bluegrass, old-time, and blues on the upright bass, all have pretty much the same requirements - strong sound, solid time, correct note choices, solid time, note duration, solid time, dynamics. And did I mention solid time?

When I see self-taught bassists in the bluegrass jams, they generally look like etiher guitarists or electric bass players, but sometimes they appear to have been attracted to the music and looking for the "easiest" instrument to get in the circle with. The stereotypical amateur self-taught bass player I see will exhibit a number of typical characteristics: - weak little strums perpendicular to the strings way up near their chest; - baseball bat grip and pooping out in just a few minutes if the changes call for anything other than open strings; - notes that kind of ooze out, at roughly the right time, but not a sense of actual timekeeping. I have been trying all these years to avoid all those. What I want to generate is a big strong sound, rock solid time feel., and to be able to play in any key. I'm not going to claim I've got that stuff nailed, far from it; but to the extent I've been successful, I attribute a lot of it to getting a clean standard foundation in the fundamentals from the get-go.

Now of course as with every instrument you can find people who play competently, or brilliantly, wtih non-standard technique. But OP is wanting to get started and (I assume) be playing as well as possible as quickly as possible. If your goal is to be playing in these "roots" genres, then you need to tell your instructor this is your goal; but in my humble opinion that doesn't preclude careful work with the bow to get the fundamentals ingrained.

One last bit - I am completely self-taught on saxophone; and now formally trained (at least the first couple years) on bass. I can tell you that when I decided to go my own way on saxophone, I ended up with bad habits that took me decades to get rid of; bad habits that probably would never even have gotten started had I afforded myself the benefits of formal instruction from the beginning.
 
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Most state/regional bluegrass associations have a list of instructors. The Boston Bluegrass Union, which appears to serve all of New England, lists several bass teachers here:

Thanks so much -- I actually found a local-to-me teacher through this source... trained in everything, and particularly fond of roots music! Perfect! Will start with him soon!
 
The stereotypical amateur self-taught bass player I see will exhibit a number of typical characteristics: - weak little strums perpendicular to the strings way up near their chest; - baseball bat grip and pooping out in just a few minutes if the changes call for anything other than open strings; - notes that kind of ooze out, at roughly the right time, but not a sense of actual timekeeping.
I'm not sure exactly how many lessons are required to teach a good right hand thump, as opposed to a bass guitar pluck. Took Jerry Fretwell all of maybe a minute to tell/show me when I was shopping for basses before I had any idea what I wanted or what to do with it. Lots of bassists do just fine w/ the baseball grip, tho again, a solid, moveable 3-finger left hand frame isn't exactly an overly complicated concept. Albeit one requiring years of practice.

I still remember when my college roommate recruited me to play bass in his band. The FIRST thing he taught me. was a G major scale, which he told me could be moved anywhere on the neck. The SECOND thing he taught me was 1/4/5, which he said would allow me to play a huge percentage of rock and blues tunes. And those 2 things remain a HUGE percentage of what I still do on upright.

Your post impresses me not so much as saying don't be a self taught bassist as, don't teach yourself to be a LOUSY bassist! ;)
 
Well, first of all, I am by no stretch of the imagination a fabulous bass player; but I think I do pretty well, and in the crowds where I run, I get a lot of positive comments. But I guess if I've spouted off, it is reasonable to fill in a little background. ...
Thank you @turf3 for sharing your background. I am impressed. You and everyone here have my serious respect.

While I've been into formally playing musical instruments since I was 9, I'm a relative youngster on double bass (2018) and while I recognize that I have always been extremely autodidactic, I consider mentors in person and online including here on TB/DB to have been my teachers and I value all of the lessons.

As has been discussed, there is a lot of variation in how people play double bass. This is consistent with every other instrument I've played or seen played. "Normal" is just a setting on the dryer. Just like with most other disciplines, people select their path in music, but knowing that, I still suggest lessons for people to serve as a kick-start and for longer periods if desired. But I also don't ignore that when learning without lessons, although the path from point A to point B may not always be a straight line, people tend to learn from their mistakes, and depth of wisdom increases with each turn...

I can provide an example of this, already, in my own relatively short double bass experience. Starting the beginning of this year, I moved from the left hand baseball grip to the left hand Simandl posture. I did this because with congenital RA my fingers don't bend well anymore; Simandl posture allows me to stop strings with relatively straight fingers. So I really did this in order to keep playing double bass, but in making this change I also discovered the huge range that fingers can reach with the thumb on the back of the neck, and with less shifting...

And at a bluegrass festival this last weekend a bunch of double bass players who use the baseball grip noticed and remarked at my use of Simandl. I could explain and demonstrate to them the benefits from personal experience of making this change. Had I started out with Simandl, I would not have had that depth of understanding.

While I do suggest lessons, I am also reminded that there are a few essential foundational skills that are required to advance in roots music... Beyond just the simpler emphasis on pizz and possibly slap, the more difficult essential skills include the ability to "play by ear", the ability to improvise, and the ability to communicate about specific music using note and chord names and using the NNS, almost always without using standard musical notation. Only a classical double bass teacher who is also immersed in roots music will recognize and teach these more difficult essential skills...

Happily it sounds like our OP has found just such a teacher!
 
Interestingly I've never had anyone comment on my LH technique. The heavy hitters in New England bluegrass bass all seem to use standard technique.

OP I know you said you already found someone to work with but some additional names to be aware of, for whatever future use: Nate Sabat, Frank Drake, Greg Algieri are all great local bass players; non bassists who would be good contacts would be Tony Watt, George Chapman, Alan Kaufman, Martin Grosswendt, Tim Rowell, Rich Stillman.