I’ve gone Fenderless

Oct 12, 2022
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I didn’t know what to call this thread. ‘Dear Fender’ was an option but I thought about it and came to the realization that if anybody from Fender actually read this thread they wouldn’t give two hoots about it anyway. So it is what it is, today I sold my last Fender. Finally, and it gives me much joy and satisfaction to declare that I have gone Fenderless. Allow me to elaborate, and - disclaimer - I may upset some Fender fans here.

When I began my bass journey it was clear. I needed a Fender. The Precision Bass. The Jazz Bass. What more could I ever need? My first was a Mexican made Precision. It sucked, big time. The finishing was horrible, the sound was lame. Ok, fine, I’ll try an American made instrument. The Performer series came out. I bought a beautiful Lake Placid Blue Performer PJ. It arrived and I drooled over my American Fender. I plugged her in. No sound. Nothing. Not a peep. Returned it to the store who refused to change it but said they’d let their tech fix that up for me. A few days later she came back home. Nice P sound. Nice fretboard. I like it. I tried the J. Disappointing. Very disappointing. Unusable. Ok, next I’ll drop a few more coins and go for the Pro model. Hmm. Not bad despite the bridge/pole pieces/strings/neck not being aligned. It actually sounded fine. But no, my OCD can not deal with this. If I carry on like this describing every issue with all of the 11 Fenders I’ve had, I will bore you to sleep.

I’m trying to be brief. Seriously. 11 Fender Basses:
1 Mexican made Mustang
2 Mexican Made Precisions
1 American Performer PJ
2 American Professional ii Precisions
2 American Vintage ii Precisions
1 American Professional ii Jazz Bass
1 American Vintage ii Jazz Bass
1 CIJ Jazz Bass

Now to be fair, the CIJ Jazz was very nice. The tone, the growl, the construction, fit and finish. It was just a boat anchor. Even so, it’s the only one I was sad to let go. Two of the Am Pro ii units were kind of ok - if they retail at around 500 bucks, which they do not.

Perhaps the most disappointing were the American Vintage ii units. Given the price tag I would expect a LOT better than what I got. I kept my first AVii Precision for a few weeks and could not deal with the QC issues, although I loved the tone. So I got another. SSDD. The biggest ill fitting neck pocket I have ever seen in all my days. I got the Jazz. Heartbreaking. How can this company allow instruments to leave their low paying mass producing factory in such poor condition? Seriously, pay people enough to actually give a damn what they send out the door. I could go on and on. I could cry and bitch and moan all day long. What good would it do? You know what Fender? There is a company called Reverend (my saviors) that do give a damn what goes out the door. Reverend make quality instruments with a very reasonable price to match. Sire is another company. I would say from vast experience that the American line of Fenders should be at a Sire price point. And Reverend is custom shop all day long. Yamaha is another great example of a company that make fine quality instruments without having to remortgage your house to finance the purchase.

Yesterday I sold a barely used AVii Jazz for a thousand bucks. Today, a barely used AVii Precision for less than a grand. I feel guilty that I have ripped the buyers off.

Seriously Fender. You suck. You suck big time.

For those of you that own the perfect Fender I am truly happy for you, but I feel those people are very few and far between. This is not a debate, I just wanted to get this off my chest in the hope the pioneering company of the electric bass realizes that their legacy is in serious danger of dying out and do something about it. Unless it’s Japanese made, I will never consider another Fender. Gullible consumers and future rock stars beware of these frauds.

Like I said, I sold my last Fender today. Today was a good day.
 
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Ouch. Pretty shocking, as it appears to me that Fenders are by far the most popular basses on TB, followed by FSO’s. Hope you have your flame suit on!

P.S., recently bought the first Fender product I've had in over 50 years, a 5-string 1991 Heartfield. It seems pretty decent. But it was MIJ... :)

Regards,
Wayne A. Pflughaupt

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Ouch. Pretty shocking, as it appears to me that Fenders are by far the most popular basses on TB, followed by FSO’s. Hope you have your flame suit on!

P.S., recently bought the first Fender product I've had in over 50 years, a 5-string 1991 Heartfield. It seems pretty decent. But it was MIJ... :)

Regards,
Wayne A. Pflughaupt

Ecclesia: Unique Arrangements of Hymns, P&W Standards, and Original Tunes
Administrator, Official Pedulla Club #45
Administrator, Official Heartfield Club #36
Administrator, Official Tobias Club #133
Fretless Club #943
Big Cabs Club #23
My Rig: Stage and FOH Friendly
My Basses
Hey Wayne. Truly happy for you. But yes it’s Japanese made and in my experience I have never had a bad Japanese crafted instrument. I’m braced. I’ve got my Nomex flame suit on and I’m aware that the heat will come. It’s not my intention to ruffle anybody’s feathers, just needed to get the rant out there. I just expect better for the kind of money us consumers have invested in their products. Maybe I was unlucky but 1 good one in 11 is a telling ratio. For contrast I’ve had 4 Reverends. 4 of them are flawless. And for way less hard earned money.
 
About me - I've never owned a Fender, I'm not a serious professional player. I have no reason to love or hate Fender.

In the beginning I considered buying one (hasn't every bass player ever?). I assumed they were the gold standard. Researching reviews and forums proved otherwise. For every glowing review there was a sour one.

The situation seems obvious. Fender made relatively good quality instruments 50 years ago. They became #1, rightly so. Then economic conditions, business dynamics, players, etc. changed. Fender let QC slip and coasted along on their name and the reputation they built years ago. Sure, they throw out a few well made instruments on occasion to keep the tarnish off the brand.

Now Fender's target consumers are yuppy wives buying b-day presents for their husband who was in a garage band 20 years ago. And teenagers who need something to fool around with when the internet goes down.
 
About me - I've never owned a Fender, I'm not a serious professional player. I have no reason to love or hate Fender.

In the beginning I considered buying one (hasn't every bass player ever?). I assumed they were the gold standard. Researching reviews and forums proved otherwise. For every glowing review there was a sour one.

The situation seems obvious. Fender made relatively good quality instruments 50 years ago. They became #1, rightly so. Then economic conditions, business dynamics, players, etc. changed. Fender let QC slip and coasted along on their name and the reputation they built years ago. Sure, they throw out a few well made instruments on occasion to keep the tarnish off the brand.

Now Fender's target consumers are yuppy wives buying b-day presents for their husband who was in a garage band 20 years ago. And teenagers who need something to fool around with when the internet goes down.
I totally agree. Well put.
 
I didn’t know what to call this thread. ‘Dear Fender’ was an option but I thought about it and came to the realization that if anybody from Fender actually read this thread they wouldn’t give two hoots about it anyway. So it is what it is, today I sold my last Fender. Finally, and it gives me much joy and satisfaction to declare that I have gone Fenderless. Allow me to elaborate, and - disclaimer - I may upset some Fender fans here.

When I began my bass journey it was clear. I needed a Fender. The Precision Bass. The Jazz Bass. What more could I ever need? My first was a Mexican made Precision. It sucked, big time. The finishing was horrible, the sound was lame. Ok, fine, I’ll try an American made instrument. The Performer series came out. I bought a beautiful Lake Placid Blue Performer PJ. It arrived and I drooled over my American Fender. I plugged her in. No sound. Nothing. Not a peep. Returned it to the store who refused to change it but said they’d let their tech fix that up for me. A few days later she came back home. Nice P sound. Nice fretboard. I like it. I tried the J. Disappointing. Very disappointing. Unusable. Ok, next I’ll drop a few more coins and go for the Pro model. Hmm. Not bad despite the bridge/pole pieces/strings/neck not being aligned. It actually sounded fine. But no, my OCD can not deal with this. If I carry on like this describing every issue with all of the 11 Fenders I’ve had, I will bore you to sleep.

I’m trying to be brief. Seriously. 11 Fender Basses:
1 Mexican made Mustang
2 Mexican Made Precisions
1 American Performer PJ
2 American Professional ii Precisions
2 American Vintage ii Precisions
1 American Professional ii Jazz Bass
1 American Vintage ii Jazz Bass
1 CIJ Jazz Bass

Now to be fair, the CIJ Jazz was very nice. The tone, the growl, the construction, fit and finish. It was just a boat anchor. Even so, it’s the only one I was sad to let go. Two of the Am Pro ii units were kind of ok - if they retail at around 500 bucks, which they do not.

Perhaps the most disappointing were the American Vintage ii units. Given the price tag I would expect a LOT better than what I got. I kept my first AVii Precision for a few weeks and could not deal with the QC issues, although I loved the tone. So I got another. SSDD. The biggest ill fitting neck pocket I have ever seen in all my days. I got the Jazz. Heartbreaking. How can this company allow instruments to leave their low paying mass producing factory in such poor condition? Seriously, pay people enough to actually give a damn what they send out the door. I could go on and on. I could cry and bitch and moan all day long. What good would it do? You know what Fender? There is a company called Reverend (my saviors) that do give a damn what goes out the door. Reverend make quality instruments with a very reasonable price to match. Sire is another company. I would say from vast experience that the American line of Fenders should be at a Sire price point. And Reverend is custom shop all day long. Yamaha is another great example of a company that make fine quality instruments without having to remortgage your house to finance the purchase.

Yesterday I sold a barely used AVii Jazz for a thousand bucks. Today, a barely used AVii Precision for less than a grand. I feel guilty that I have ripped the buyers off.

Seriously Fender. You suck. You suck big time.

For those of you that own the perfect Fender I am truly happy for you, but I feel those people are very few and far between. This is not a debate, I just wanted to get this off my chest in the hope the pioneering company of the electric bass realizes that their legacy is in serious danger of dying out and do something about it. Unless it’s Japanese made, I will never consider another Fender. Gullible consumers and future rock stars beware of these frauds.

Like I said, I sold my last Fender today. Today was a good day.
Well...
Some seriously bad luck, there; you have my sympathy for sure. I hope you don't buy lottery tickets...
Personally? I only have one Fender; a left handed '78 P-Bass, with the then-optional "A" neck (basically a Jazz Bass neck). I've had it for... 36 years, now. Not my favorite bass any more; it weighs 11+ lbs., which my 72 year old back & shoulder really don't like, now. But, it still plays - and sounds - like a "vintage" P-Bass should; and does it with no dead spots, too. Even though it came from the 'Bad" era of Fenders? My only complaint with it, is the weight... Guess I just got lucky; and, although I've picked up many P- and Jazz Basses over the years ( and played them "wrong" handed for as long as I could stand to), I've never wanted another one. Since I have 26 other, non-Fender basses to play, just the one is fine with me... :cool:
 
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Well...
Some seriously bad luck, there; you have my sympathy for sure. I hope you don't buy lottery tickets...
Personally? I only have one Fender; a left handed '78 P-Bass, with the then-optional "A" neck (basically a Jazz Bass neck). I've had it for... 36 years, now. Not my favorite bass any more; it weighs 11+ lbs., which my 72 year old back & shoulder really don't like, now. But, it still plays - and sounds - like a "vintage" P-Bass should; and does it with no dead spots, too. Even though it came from the 'Bad" era of Fenders? My only complaint with it, is the weight... Guess I just got lucky; and, although I've picked up many P- and Jazz Basses over the years ( and played them "wrong" handed for as long as I could stand to), I've never wanted another one. Since I have 26 other, non-Fender basses to play, just the one is fine with me... :cool:
Good that you got one that works for you Sir. Maybe those instruments made during the ‘bad’ era are actually of better quality than the current era.
 
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Fender seems to go through "periods" where their stuff is either magical (ok, maybe just very good) or total crap. Maybe they're experiencing a bad era, like with the mid to late 70s, the mid 80s (except for Japan, I guess?), and the early 2000s (if I recall correctly).

I don't know. I can empathize with the OP and I'm sure he's not making stuff up. But that's a very high string of bad luck. I would imagine if their QC was really that consistently terrible, they would be in trouble currently.

Someone said something about garage band husbands and teenagers - while this isn't false, it's still an exaggeration to say this is the only group they cater to. There are plenty of working musicians just here on TB alone that are Fender fans, or at least own one. They're not making complicated designs with exotic tone woods and circuits, so I can see the occasional made-on-a-Friday guitar being lousy (and with the volume of production, that's potentially a LOT of made-on-a-Friday guitar!). But I can't believe that's the majority of their output.

I'm a Spector guy currently (before that Ibanez), and only owned a Fender bass briefly ages ago and have no intentions of buying one. But I'm originally a guitar player and am a fan of the Telecaster. Have a 91 American Standard and only recently got a Mod Shop Telecaster Professional Shawbucker, and fit and finish is excellent, compound neck + tall frets feel great, and it sounds good. No quality issues whatsoever, aside from maybe the pickup selector feeling a little on the loose/cheap side, and still, it does the job (but they could have used a better switch for what these cost).
 
I tried going fenderless once and I just ended up with mud all over the place.

Seriously, though, you’re allowed to like what you like and dislike what you dislike. It’s fine.

Like several other very big guitar manufacturers, Fender has had its ups and downs. I’m not defending that, but it’s the reality of the situation. The same can be said for Gibson, Ric and several others.

As for me, personally, I like Fender basses. I’ve bought and sold lots of them over the years and I haven’t had anywhere close to the bad luck you’ve had. I’m pretty selective when I purchase instruments so I’ve only ended up with a couple of clunkers. Either way, it doesn’t offend me that you’ve chosen to call them out on your bad experiences. That’s really between you and Fender.

Also, just for context, I’m not a Fender fanboi; I know they’ve had quality control issues over the years and I just know what to look out for. I like and play a lot of other brands, too, and I’ve gotten the occasional clunker with some of them, too. I’m glad you’ve found success with Reverend.
 
No flame here, everyone should like what they play and play what they like. I may be a bit of an oddball. I have two basses total and will probably stay with those until I don't play anymore. I don't buy guitars online, but go out and search for the bass that speaks to me. Played a lot of P-basses but finally found an Am Std that is perfect for me. I also have a MIM 50's P-bass. I love everything about that bass except the pickups. Really love the maple neck but the pickups suck. Been working on that for a while.
I have played a lot of different types of basses but these were the two that spoke to me at first.
 
While I don't hate Fender, I'm not really enamored with them. I did own one Fender guitar once (long story), but in over 45 years of playing bass, I've only owned half of one Fender - it was a parts bass that had a 60's Fender neck (which had been de-fretted, and was sitting in a parts bin in a local music store). There is a whole wide world out there of basses that aren't made by Fender - you don't have to hate Fender to buy and play something else - there is plenty to like in other basses.
 
My completely unscientific and ill informed impression has been that the Japanese Fenders are the best ones being made currently, at least when you start from the lower end of the price scale. Don't know if I'm right but I suppose if I was looking for a Fender I might consider that.

Not that I am, not that I wouldn't, I just don't own any Fenders at this point. Don't ask me to commit Squiericide though... I do have a couple of those that I really do like :laugh:
 
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I have one fender...

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It's the one on the right. It's a great bass. Happens to be made in the PRC.
 
I’m trying to be brief. Seriously. 11 Fender Basses:
1 Mexican made Mustang
2 Mexican Made Precisions
1 American Performer PJ
2 American Professional ii Precisions
2 American Vintage ii Precisions
1 American Professional ii Jazz Bass
1 American Vintage ii Jazz Bass
1 CIJ Jazz Bass
Not knocking this by any means, trial and error over and over for the perfect instrument kind of goes hand in hand for musicians usually. In fact, I honestly wonder from time to time if my own experience were like this... "What if ALL that money on ALL those basses just went into a really nice high end boutique bass (or 2) from the beginning. I really do kick myself from time to time wondering if I had only used or saved up all that money I foolishly spent on my previous 7 or 8 basses for something much more custom and higher end. Oh well, we live, we learn, we move on...
 
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Hey, go with what works for you. Just remember, "one man's trash is another man's treasure".

As far as turning up the heat goes, all I will say is this...
Gullible consumers and future rock stars beware of these frauds.
...plus this...
It’s not my intention to ruffle anybody’s feathers, just needed to get the rant out there.
...is the very definition of "cognitive dissonance". You don't get to slap someone in the face, then claim you're not trying to insult them. If you do or don't like something, that's plenty fine. I, for one, am cool with that. Whatever it is, just pick a stance and own it.
 
For a long while I felt I should own a Fender P because that was the 'signature standard' sound. Each time I demo-ed one in store, I came out empty handed.

Last year I was that close to paying for a used Ultra P. Again because I felt I ought to (not because I loved it). Few things a bit off but saying to myself, I can get those sorted by a luthier. Reaching for my ccard, I spotted a brand new Sandberg VM4, at less money. It just felt so much better in the hands and quality outstanding. V usable Fender P tones, maybe not exact but it's such a beautiful thing to play.

Ended the psychological battle of I should own a (Fender) P bass, when I clearly didn't like playing them.