IEM Wired vs Wireless

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I’d started a thread but I couldn’t find it, so I’m starting a new thread. I just started new band where the drummer and keyboard use wired IEM, and it works because they are stationary at the back of the stage. The monitor tap goes through small mini mixers. If I want to use IEMs should I used wired too? Would being the only wireless cause extra complications? A big benefit for iems, is I want to filter out the loud live drums. I’m not doing a wired instrument, but do wireless have a benefit of built in limiter for loud sounds?
 
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I’d started a thread but I couldn’t find it, so I’m starting a new thread. I just started new band where the drummer and keyboard use wired IEM, and it works because they are stationary at the back of the stage. The monitor tap goes through small mini mixers. If I want to use IEMs should I used wired too? Would being the only wireless cause extra complications? A big benefit for iems, is I want to filter out the loud live drums. I’m not doing a wired instrument, but do wireless have a benefit of built in limiter for loud sounds?

As a singing bassist, I used wired IEM. Just never got to the point where I could justify the extra expense for (reliable) wireless IEM.

Also, no one in my band wanted to go that route. Drummer and I used wired, guitar usually took his IEM out middle of the first set. We had a rotating cast of frontmen so it was usually easier to put a wedge out for them unless they had their own wireless equipment.
 
As a singing bassist, I used wired IEM. Just never got to the point where I could justify the extra expense for (reliable) wireless IEM.

Also, no one in my band wanted to go that route. Drummer and I used wired, guitar usually took his IEM out middle of the first set. We had a rotating cast of frontmen so it was usually easier to put a wedge out for them unless they had their own wireless equipment.
What’s the equipment in your wired Iem signal chain? I’ve been looking at different options. When standing how do you get the belt pack back to the mixer/board? For wired, I think I’d like something that could fit on my pedalboard.
 
The monitor tap goes through small mini mixers.

I'm not sure what that means

If I want to use IEMs should I used wired too? Would being the only wireless cause extra complications?

You should do what you feel is best for your needs and preferences, but there are no inherent complications in being the only wireless or wired IEM user in a group.

I’m not doing a wired instrument, but do wireless have a benefit of built in limiter for loud sounds?

Wireless systems are not unique in having built-in limiting. The specs I've seen for various headphone amp models all had limiters. Just a matter of checking

Personally, if I were using a wireless instrument system and didn't feel strongly either way about IEMs, I'd go with wireless...wired is kind of blowing the benefits of the wireless instrument setup.
 
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Perfect. So simple, I’m going to wrap PET sleeve around a guitar and Iem extension cable together, too. I’m thinking 1/2” is all I’d need. I am thinking to use a Rolls pm55p to go between my iems and the mixer (the same way as the coda). It’s reasonable price and Rolls seems to have a good reputation on TB.
 
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thinking to use a Rolls pm55p to go between my iems and the mixer (the same way as the coda). It’s reasonable price and Rolls seems to have a good reputation on TB.

I'm not trying to dissuade from anything or persuade toward anything, just offering some thoughts. Yes, the Rolls units have a good reputation...they're good and at one point were just about the only known game in town. Behringer, Presonus, Donner and some other headphone amps all have pretty strong reputations too. I think it just happens to be an area that doesn't really have any dogs.

That said, I used a Rolls and some considerations that may or may not have any importance for you; (1) as a straight-ahead headphone amp, there will be unused features (i.e., the mic in/thru and mixing capabilities), (2) monitor in is 1/4" instead of XLR, which can be an inconvenience, and (3) related to that, while it says stereo/mono, stereo IEM is impractical.
 
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'The monitor tap goes through small mini mixers.'
'I'm not sure what that means.'
Maybe monitor means the speakers used for the band on stage, tap means the signal being taken from the main mixer and sent to the monitors, mini and small both mean not big and a mixer is where mixing happens. That's my guess.
 
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What’s the equipment in your wired Iem signal chain? I’ve been looking at different options. When standing how do you get the belt pack back to the mixer/board? For wired, I think I’d like something that could fit on my pedalboard.

Depends - if I'm the only one with IEMs, I'll take an AUX out from the board, route it to my Behringer P1 (belt pack form factor); Aux in one channel, DI from my amp in another channel, mix to taste. Goal is to protect my hearing, hear my voice and hear my amplified signal - all without deafening myself. I use an XLR to go from mixer to belt pack (P1). Hooked the IEM right up to the P1. I doing this when I play bass and sing with one band and play pedal steel guitar and sing with another band (well, before the pandemic happened, anyways).

In my old band (I supplied PA), I routed individual AUX mixes (from a Mackie DL1608 mixer) into an ART HeadAmp 6 (rack mount form factor) and then into up to 6 IEMs. Each member could tweak their mix on an iPhone and they could then set their own volume level on the ART. Took me right out of the loop where I would have be constantly having to adjust monitor levels for all band members. Each member had a thin 1/8" stereo extension cable (15' or 20' IIRC) between the end of their IEM cable and the ART unit.

Worked pretty well - we didn't have a whole lot of moving around on the smallish stages we played. Wouldn't work for a more dynamic band or with bigger stages. If we did those kinds of shows at the time, I would probably invested in a wireless setup.
 
Here's a post I made to a similar thread a week or two ago, slightly edited. Maybe it will help.

Doing the wireless thing with any sort of reliability over the long term is an expensive and, at times frustrating, experience. Basically, the rule in wireless is "you get what you pay for". Yes, you can get occasional good results with cheap equipment. But, if you want consistently good performance, you're really going to have to come off your wallet.

If it were me, the only two names out there are Shure and Sennheiser. Yes again, there are cheaper players, but they won't have the reputations of the big 2, and there's a reason for that.

They both offer systems that will do 4 channels in one rack space, and they might offer 8-channel units (I don't know). However, they are very expensive, several thousands of dollars. Also, even if you use a combined multichannel system, you may have to invest in an antenna combiner, which will cost several thousands more.

Beyond making the big spend, there is also the hassle of managing and coordinating the frequencies they will use. Each IEM unit, even in a combined unit, needs its own frequency. However, picking out frequencies is not as easy as just dialing in the first several frequencies on the dials. Before you purchase, you have to consider which band is going to best for you in terms of frequency availability and performance characteristics in the areas you'll be using the system. And then, after you purchase, you have to contend with interference issues from other operators on those same frequencies in the shared spectrum as well as from other electronic devices. These will change from venue to venue, and from city to city. You can even get interference from you own devices. Moreover, you will be at the mercy of laws and regulations regarding their use... and these change from time to time... and has resulted in wireless systems instantly turning into very expensive pumpkins because a rule change made those that operate on certain frequency bands illegal to use.

On top of all that fun stuff, you also have to manage the expensive belt packs and the antennas and batteries that come with them. And, since we all know that if guitarists and drummers can't eat something, they'll lose it or break it instead, you better have extra packs, batteries, and antennas on hand, and be prepared to spend a good amount of time maintaining them and teaching/reteaching everyone how to use them and not abuse them.

Dumping a single mix into all your IEMs is a way you could get your cost on a wireless system down... you'd still need at least 5 belt packs, but at least you'd only need one transmitter and you wouldn't need an antenna combiner. But, keep in mind that in this sort of setup each member won't have individual control over their monitor mixes. And I would definitely avoid the temptation to just dump your house mix into the monitors. This is because it won't be tailored to your ears, it will be tailored to the venues... tuned to the spaces, and so it will change from venue to venue. Definitely not a good way to achieve good quality and consistency in your monitors... and kinda defeats the purpose of spending all that money on a reliable wireless monitor rig.

You will still need your own mixer to bring in the instrument and mic sends and send them to the monitor channels. If you'll be touring with this rig, you probably won't be handling your own FOH mix. So, you should also have some kind of way to split the instrument/mic sends off to the FOH board, many times this is done by way of a splitter snake. This will add to the cost of your rig as well.

There are also outfits out there that'll build you a portable IEM system from components. BTPA is one, and there are others. They have demo videos up on youtube. I'm sure they aren't cheap either... but isn't that always the way in this business? Also, check out the rig-building videos put up by Riffs, Beards & Gear and others... this might make you feel good about a DYI'ing it and help save you some bread.
 
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If I were using wireless from my bass and to my in-ears, I might be concerned with cumulative latency.

Analog wireless systems don' t have any latency. Digital ones have some, but most of them are OK - if you're hearing yourself through IEM's, the transducers are half an inch from your eardrums. An amp is going to be several feet from your ears - if you can tolerate a few feet of distance from your amp, you can tolerate a few milliseconds of delay (sound travels about a foot every millisecond).

I regularly use both wired and wireless in ear setups - the differences really aren't that big of a deal. One caveat - I don't use any of the cheap stuff at this point, so there may be snags there that I'm not aware of.
 
Perfect. So simple, I’m going to wrap PET sleeve around a guitar and Iem extension cable together, too. I’m thinking 1/2” is all I’d need. I am thinking to use a Rolls pm55p to go between my iems and the mixer (the same way as the coda). It’s reasonable price and Rolls seems to have a good reputation on TB.
I've been doing this with wired IEM's. I love it
 
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I use wireless, because I trip on cables and I don't like it when other people step on my cable and I can't move. As for sound isolation, the earbuds and especially the ear tips (custom mold vs foam vs silicone in order of best sound isolation) are really what make the difference. I use foam tips with a significant noise reduction rating, and that keeps the loud stage away from my eardrums and lets me listen to just what I want.
 
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I'm not trying to dissuade from anything or persuade toward anything, just offering some thoughts. Yes, the Rolls units have a good reputation...they're good and at one point were just about the only known game in town. Behringer, Presonus, Donner and some other headphone amps all have pretty strong reputations too. I think it just happens to be an area that doesn't really have any dogs.

That said, I used a Rolls and some considerations that may or may not have any importance for you; (1) as a straight-ahead headphone amp, there will be unused features (i.e., the mic in/thru and mixing capabilities), (2) monitor in is 1/4" instead of XLR, which can be an inconvenience, and (3) related to that, while it says stereo/mono, stereo IEM is impractical.
XLR would be better than 1/4”. Behringer’s P1 is a little cheaper, the pictures look like xlr inputs too. The p2 looks cool, but I’d prefer not to have to keep batteries around. Looks like p1 uses 2.1mm center negative, so I think I can run of my power supply.