Issues with Catalinbread pedal co.

Jan 2, 2018
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So, along with playing the bass I also dabble in the guitar, I feel if nothing else it helps me understand the relatioship between the guitar and bass. Now, I'm not rich by any means (far from it) but I like to buy the highest quality gear I can afford without breaking the bank. Just for background the guitars are a Epiphone Les Paul traditional pro and a 2016 Tony Iommi signature through a Orange TH35. I bought a Catalinbread Sabbra Cadabra pedal for an overdrive after watching some review videos on youtube and thinking it really sounded great. Well, after getting it and playing it, it in fact sounded great, if even then I thought it ambiently a little noisy. In the past four months the pedal has grown so noisy that it is unplayable. It breaks up when the instrument is picked and the ambient noise bleeds over the guitar tone horribly. I have a MXR phaser and a joyo vintage overdrive in the same chain and powered with the same power suppy and they are fine. Everyone says the noise from this thing is ghastly. So, I have reached out repeatedly to Catalinbred pedals and no one answers any phone numbers listed, I emailed the customer service email and the first email I sent took three days to be answered with some questions about my signal chain and power supply etc. and a promise that "we'll get to the bottom of it."
I replied that it was first in the chain using my fx loop, but that it had been tried in-line direct and stand alone, and also through a friends JCM 800 direct with the same results. I then waited four more days and sent another short inquiry as to what the next steps were when I recieved this back for a reply,
"The Sabbra is our highest-gain pedal and generates a much higher noise floor than the rest of our line. If you purchased it from a retailer, you may wish to try another one, but I cannot guarantee that it will be quieter than the one in your possession. A 9V battery is the best bet for a lower noise floor, followed by its own non-chained 9V adapter, followed by an isolated power supply, then lastly a daisy chain. Running it at 18V will increase the noise floor. Unfortunately, it will never be a quiet pedal, even our master copy here at the shop has a high noise floor. Best, Nicholas"
I replied that this was not acceptable and that the retailer will not take back a four month old pedal and that this is not resolved...but I'm at a loss. I guess I'm out $200 for what amounts to a noisy paperweight. I did some googling and see that this company has been in turmoil for a year or so for a reason that is a bit hazy. Either way, I guess this is more of a warning to others than anything else. If anyone has any ideas, of course I'm open to suggestions.
 
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One question from a troubleshooting perspective. Does the pedal still have a bad sound when it’s the only pedal between the guitar and amp, and the only pedal receiving power?

I only ask because I have a Friedman BE-OD that makes an awful noise if it’s placed after certain pedals, but it’s not an issue with the pedal itself per-se.
 
One question from a troubleshooting perspective. Does the pedal still have a bad sound when it’s the only pedal between the guitar and amp, and the only pedal receiving power?

I only ask because I have a Friedman BE-OD that makes an awful noise if it’s placed after certain pedals, but it’s not an issue with the pedal itself per-se.
Yes. It is 90% as bad as when its in a chain with other effects.
 
Yes. It is 90% as bad as when its in a chain with other effects.
Make a recording of it and send it to them. They have to hear that it’s not just noisy, but unusually noisy. Unfortunately the company lost a lot of its older employees so my experience with who to contact isn’t really valid any more. Best I can tell you is email them with a clip of what it’s doing. The thing has a warranty for a reason.
 
Interesting that you got an email signed 'Nicholas', as Nicholas from Catlinbread sadly died in 2016.

Nicholas Harris, Founder of Catalinbread Effects, Dies at 37
I saw something to that effect when Inwas googling it and thought maybe it was a different person/same name thing..WTH is going on then? Weird....I read that someones mother got stuck with the company somehow and she was effectively running a company she didn't want...I just assumed they had problems. I didn't know he actually died. So, maybe I am really stuck with this pedal...nice.
 
Make a recording of it and send it to them. They have to hear that it’s not just noisy, but unusually noisy. Unfortunately the company lost a lot of its older employees so my experience with who to contact isn’t really valid any more. Best I can tell you is email them with a clip of what it’s doing. The thing has a warranty for a reason.
Yeah, after working on this for almost three weeks and seeing the lack of willingness to even try to help me out, even though it has a supposed three year warranty...I'm not really going to hold my breath for a positive outcome, wich was the reason I waited as long as I have to start a public thread over it.
I guess my bigger question would be is this how most boutique pedal companies do buisness? From what I've seen, its not good.
 
I saw something to that effect when Inwas googling it and thought maybe it was a different person/same name thing..WTH is going on then? Weird....I read that someones mother got stuck with the company somehow and she was effectively running a company she didn't want...I just assumed they had problems. I didn't know he actually died. So, maybe I am really stuck with this pedal...nice.

It's Nicholas's mother that inherited the company. He didn't have a will so she inherited it to try to keep his dream/legacy alive. Unfortunately, none of the original designers/engineers are with the company any longer.
 
It's Nicholas's mother that inherited the company. He didn't have a will so she inherited it to try to keep his dream/legacy alive. Unfortunately, none of the original designers/engineers are with the company any longer.
So, in a nutshell there is no one there that actually COULD fix my pedal...and the chances of getting a replacement are most likely slim to none. Sweet. I'm truly sorry the kid passed away so young, but perhaps at this point it might be better for them to just go out of business...seems how they can post on Instagram new pictures of their product five times a day, yet it takes me four days to hear back from a dead man at customer service. Yikes.
 
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Since it has a warranty, why not engage the retailer you bought it from. Ask nicely for some help. Perhaps they can get a better response from the builder, or they may care enough about their own rep to take care of you on their own. You’ve got nothing to lose.
 
Since it has a warranty, why not engage the retailer you bought it from. Ask nicely for some help. Perhaps they can get a better response from the builder, or they may care enough about their own rep to take care of you on their own. You’ve got nothing to lose.
Yeah, that would be Zzounds.com they told me after 45 days they wouldnt do anything. Nice...
 
thread over it.
I guess my bigger question would be is this how most boutique pedal companies do buisness?

No. Many small companies fold slmost immediately after the death of their founder if there’s no secession or continuity plan. With Catalinbread someone is at least trying to still keep
it together.
 
Yeah, that would be Zzounds.com they told me after 45 days they wouldnt do anything. Nice...

Maybe try the 3Ps, polite, patient and persistent. Explain that you have tried every avenue, and send as much info as possible - like a sound clip. Then politely follow up at least once a week. Perhaps make reasonable suggestions to rectify the situation - such as exchanging for another unit.

From the troubleshooting aspect, have you physically connected ONLY the problem pedal and checked the cables are not the source? What about the power supply, can you run it on a battery? Sometimes high gain pedals will make an already present noise worse. Does it happen with all guitars?

Good Luck!
 
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I too found it curious that he got a reply from "Nicholas." Macabre.....Anyway, ever since the death of the founder, I have stayed far away from anything Catalinbread and I think a lot of others have as well. Now with the crazy lawsuit, it's probably best to assume this is a dead man walking and that with regards to their pedals, you are "on your own" now.
 
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So, in a nutshell there is no one there that actually COULD fix my pedal...and the chances of getting a replacement are most likely slim to none. Sweet. I'm truly sorry the kid passed away so young, but perhaps at this point it might be better for them to just go out of business...seems how they can post on Instagram new pictures of their product five times a day, yet it takes me four days to hear back from a dead man at customer service. Yikes.

Catalinbread LLC vs Gee et al | Trade Secret | Complaint
Your answers are here ^^^^. You may change your tune after reading it.
Obviously the company is in terrible shape but trying to stay afloat as best they can. If I were you, I'd ask for an exchange. Either one of the same or something with less gain/noise. I'd ship it back with a pre-stamped & addressed return box to make it as easy as possible for them.
Figuring that they should fold up because it took 4 (yikes!!) whole days to reply to you is just ridiculous.
 
Catalinbread LLC vs Gee et al | Trade Secret | Complaint
Your answers are here ^^^^. You may change your tune after reading it.
Obviously the company is in terrible shape but trying to stay afloat as best they can. If I were you, I'd ask for an exchange. Either one of the same or something with less gain/noise. I'd ship it back with a pre-stamped & addressed return box to make it as easy as possible for them.
Figuring that they should fold up because it took 4 (yikes!!) whole days to reply to you is just ridiculous.
Its actually been more along the three week mark now, it just took four days to get the last circular reply. I have suggested all the options you have with absolutely zero response. When a company does all their business through email and there is NO option for customer service to speak to a living human being...especially since you push a 3 year warranty, yet they can be posting in instagram contiuously daily...they should hang it up. I'm PISSED I'm now stuck with a $200 paperweight.
Also, why would I send the pedal back to them without conformation they were actually going to donsomething about it? I can't even get a person on the phone...
 
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