Jeff says - A Narrow Education is Best! Well Rounded is Self Taught!

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The term “well rounded bass player” is a popular term in bass education. Lots of teachers try to make their students into well rounded players. This means that teachers will help them to obtain a variety of playing skills and abilities. But acquiring a well rounded ability doesn't happen in music school. Mostly, it happens outside of it because it involves the use of the musical skills that you were taught in school. Players that were taught how to read and play the bass via solid musical principles practiced over many months are qualified for a lot more playing situations other than the one or two styles of bass playing that many are familiar with. Their musical ability gets people to be qualified to play in various musical situations. Thus, they learn in the throes of real time bass playing. It is in the experience of live and recorded playing where musicians begin to develop the skills that makes them well rounded. It doesn't take place in music school. This is how bass players become well rounded; they play a lot.

For me, the expression "well rounded bass player" is a synonym for "broad bass education" in that both expressions don't specify anything concrete. Being taught via a broad education doesn't specify either the method or the goals that come from being taught this way. Nor is it easy to actually be told what to expect by being a "well rounded" bass player.

A broad education offers students a smorgasbord of lessons but doesn’t appear to specify any one musical subject as necessary for deep learning. But, in music history, musicians never were taught via this philosophy. It simply never seemed to have existed. Instead, bass teachers seemingly have encouraged students to try everything instead of offering reliable specifics in what and how one would be taught.


Many bass players aren’t well rounded, by the way. They're specialists! While players like Will Lee or Anthony Jackson fill the well rounded definition, the bass players that many admire are specialists in that they tend to only do their thing. Bootsey, Geddy Lee and Flea are more specialized bass players in that they function well in their musical thing within their bands or with other like-minded musicians. Well rounded doesn't seem to apply to bass players that specialize in something. A blues bass player will almost always remain a blues bass player.

Neither does offering a "broad education" seem to define anything concrete regarding a solid musical curriculum for the length of time that you are studying bass at your schools. In truth, the more that a student is offered a broad education to learn from, the less that a student can know which course carries more importance than another one. Since your teacher seems to view each course as equally important as any other course, how do you know if you are focusing on the type of musical training that is the most necessary to improve your playing? Since your career begins and ends with your ability to play, doesn't it make sense to improve this skill first and foremost, hence, a need, not for a broad education but a specific and narrow one?


Consider this next paragraph as circumstantial evidence for my views:

People learning a second language study one language. Hence, a narrow approach to teaching a second language. No language school to my knowledge encourages students to take a little German, French, Spanish and Japanese at the same time. In cooking schools, students are taught basic skills (and they are all taught the same ways, by the way.) Students aren't encouraged to learn Mexican food recipes in the morning, Chinese food stir fry in the afternoon and Frence pastry cooking at night. If other forms of education focus on the teaching of specific skills through a narrow educational curriculum, then bass students would benefit if their teachers decided to teach bass as other forms of education appear to be taught.


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Jeff, your post has been up nearly 12 hours, and no one has posted a counter argument. I suspect you are absolutely right.

It doesn't mean, of course that the (for example) blues bassist doesn't (or shouldn't) aspire to broaden their horizons. Having the musical tools and knowledge would make that possibility more likely.
 
Right on the mark! As an educator the question I always put to committees proposing curriculum was this: "Are we preparing our students for their future, or are we justifying our past?".
Many people believe a 'good education' is the end of learning, quite the opposite is true. A good education is simply learning the tools that allow your education to continue your entire life.
 
There is a difference between learning different skills and genres and learning essential skills. People admire Geddy Lee here because of his music and playing. And using your examples, I would imagine that. Will Lee and Anthony Jackson have more skills, technique, time and overall chops (never mind could out sight read) Geddy, Flea and Bootsy. You also, are pretty well rounded in your playing CV.

If you want to reach a high level of playing competency, there is no short cut to study and practice. Playing bass is playing music, no different than a concert pianist. But that is a separate subject.
 
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Definitely no shortcuts to being a well rounded bassist. However, the percentage of well rounded bassists is low as well as other musicians. I agree, well rounded education is merely a path. One has to want to go down that road. I’m no virtuoso but I play a wide variety of music. I was exposed to it all growing up in a diverse household. I also played a lot of different instruments before settling on bass.
 
Every skill, craft, sport etc. has fundamental training. Rudiments if you will, with a demonstrated level of proficiency for success. Bass guitar is no exception.

I would maybe say music is no exception. If you/we/I choose to perform music on the bass guitar, that might be considered incidental, and presents a different challenge to learning music.
 
What about...a narrow education for each style at a time?

Yes there are rudiments that need to be defined and refined, but after the elementary skills are developed, there needs to be further specialization.
 
What about...a narrow education for each style at a time?

Yes there are rudiments that need to be defined and refined, but after the elementary skills are developed, there needs to be further specialization.
Great question! The answer is to see how those styles have always been learned. A little research will do people good: Choose ten bass players from different styles and approaches. You will discover that they all are self taught in those styles. Only jazz and classical are exempt because they both are based on the learning of academic music and the development of instrumental skills, not stylists skills such as slap technique. Self taught bass players are almost always involved in a narrow learning environment of their own making; they buy CD's of bands playing the style that they love and they imitate or are influenced by what they hear.

It would be interesting to research something else: I believe that it is almost impossible to provide the names of well known musical stylists who state that they acquired their skills in those musical styles in school. For me, this means that while schools are teaching musical styles, it seems that this lesson concept doesn't work. Or, at least, since practically everyone in different styles of music are self taught in them, then the question would be to ask why anyone would spend high tuition fees to be taught musical styles that (seemingly) everyone else has learned for free. This makes no sense to me.

If this is true, then the conclusion that I arrived at a long time ago was that this is an academic experiment that failed, even if students and teachers aren't aware of it. There are WAY better methods that can be taught to bass students, but, they have to be willing to practice what they are given.
 
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Playing bass is playing music, no different than a concert pianist. But that is a separate subject.

Actually, if I’m understanding the essence of what Mr. Berlin is trying to convey, that is exactly the subject. Music is music, and music education is already well-established and proven. Regardless of your chosen instrument(s), the musical principles are the same, and deserve to be studied in a rigorous and thorough curriculum. Why should bassists be exempt?
 
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Actually, if I’m understanding the essence of what Mr. Berlin is trying to convey, that is exactly the subject. Music is music, and music education is already well-established and proven. Regardless of your chosen instrument(s), the musical principles are the same, and deserve to be studied in a rigorous and thorough curriculum. Why should bassists be exempt?
I agree! Bass players shouldn't be exempt. Sorry to say this, but bass teachers of all levels of fame and abilities, schools from the small regional up to the most highly regarded, and internet instruction of all kinds are responsible for swaying bass players away from learning music. One teacher told his students that it takes too long to learn music the right way. This is unforgivable!

In three to six months of correct training, practically everyone reading this could triple their ability to play and increase their knowledge of music. It happens with being involved in a narrow and specific music program, not a broad-based education that touches on many things but donut's teach one of them to its logical academic completion. Even the expression, "Jack of all trades" doesn't even apply because a jack of all trades has a deeper understanding of several elements of their chosen profession than bass players do.
 
Jeff, your post has been up nearly 12 hours, and no one has posted a counter argument. I suspect you are absolutely right.

It doesn't mean, of course that the (for example) blues bassist doesn't (or shouldn't) aspire to broaden their horizons. Having the musical tools and knowledge would make that possibility more likely.
I hope that this is because people are thinking about my comments instead of reacting to them. Nothing would please me more than to be known as the guy that affected a change in bass education. If young bassists realize that learning how to play is predictable, their entire playing life can change.

Incidentally, no one can promise anyone a career by going to music school. It seems to me that most grads actually don't. People here that graduated music schools can share if their employment situation or even their level of fame increased by graduating from their alma mater. For every famous almumi that is used to show how those schools contributed to their success, I think that man overwhelming amount of grads aren't even working as professional bass players today. This has to indicate that no matter the reputation of the institutions that one looks up to, they aren't training their students well enough to be employed. There are more working lawyers, doctors, secretaries auto mechanics and truck driver than there are working bass players in my opinion. Because these people were taught their chosen vocations correctly. You won't find any school that teaches driving an 18 wheeler where the driving instructors suggest that the students engage in a broad education of driving by also taking classes in driving motorcycles, cranes and forklifts. In my opinion, a broad based bass education doesn't work.


All that any teacher, school or anyone who teaches can promise their students is that they will learn how to play better. Being improved means that one is qualified to work. There isn't any other promise that any music school can make to its students, in my opinion.
 
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Actually, if I’m understanding the essence of what Mr. Berlin is trying to convey, that is exactly the subject. Music is music, and music education is already well-established and proven. Regardless of your chosen instrument(s), the musical principles are the same, and deserve to be studied in a rigorous and thorough curriculum. Why should bassists be exempt?

That is his usual mantra, to which I agree. But read his actual post.
 
I know several Berklee grads and none are doing anything professionally besides weekend warrior stuff. I know even more cats who have music degrees from colleges with music programs (I'm in a band with several of them). They are all teaching in some capacity and also doing weekend warrior stuff. Seems a lot of cats who go fulltime pro get pulled out of school before graduating or have no formal music education.
 
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I know several Berklee grads and none are doing anything professionally besides weekend warrior stuff. I know even more cats who have music degrees from colleges with music programs (I'm in a band with several of them). They are all teaching in some capacity and also doing weekend warrior stuff. Seems a lot of cats who go fulltime pro get pulled out of school before graduating or have no formal music education.

There are more Berklee grads than there are jobs for Berklee grads - that's all. Plenty of people with degrees from plenty of good schools selling insurance as well.
 
My point is.....what is the goal for music degree grads? Is it just to teach? I'm curious. I'd like to see music schools teach music diversity and memorization techniques. Most of the cats I know rely on charts/sheet music and absolutely kill the feel of a song. Not actually listening to the songs. Is learning by ear taught? What's the degree worth if it doesn't actually help you besides reading music. Obviously you can get a teaching job but what beyond that?
 
Nothing to add, except I’m glad that, when standing at that exact crossroads, I chose the degree in Mathematics instead. Somehow my 20-something brain was able to comprehend the difference in job opportunities...
 
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