Long time player needs some tips on reading, theory, etc.

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I've been playing bass for just about 50 years, started out on trumpet in grade and junior high school, semi-learned to read but always could play by ear too well and remembered the simple tunes we had to play too well to have to rely on the music. I started to teach myself how to read for bass a few times but ran into the same problems, also probably laziness. I just retired and really want to stretch and learn to read and also progress. I can pretty much play all kinds of music but the problem is I cannot sight read at all. I find myself with a lot of time on my hands now (just retired, yay!) so I'm ready to start. My question is can anyone recommend some good books to start out with and has anyone been in a similar situation and found a way to progress with reading? I would also appreciate some tips on tools to get better such as metronomes etc, tools for learning I guess, thanks.
 
The problem with sight reading books is they will probably start off too basic for you. The thing that helps me (and I am by no means a sight reader), is just learning new music using only sheet music. The difficult part is just how much time it takes to learn. I mean think about how long it took you to read words or type. It took years to get good at any of these things. You start out just sounding out the letters and eventually recognize entire words or phrases. It takes time though.
 
The problem with sight reading books is they will probably start off too basic for you. The thing that helps me (and I am by no means a sight reader), is just learning new music using only sheet music. The difficult part is just how much time it takes to learn. I mean think about how long it took you to read words or type. It took years to get good at any of these things. You start out just sounding out the letters and eventually recognize entire words or phrases. It takes time though.

Yeah, those are things I always told myself, I have to get by that, haha! That sounds like a good idea though, what do you think of the Jazz fake book or whatever you call it?
 
Yeah, those are things I always told myself, I have to get by that, haha! That sounds like a good idea though, what do you think of the Jazz fake book or whatever you call it?
Real book. Jazz would be a good source. I also use the apps Muse and one on Android called GuitarTab. The latter I turn off tabs. Mostly you just need to find anything you want to play in sheet music and read it. You could also by blank staff paper and transcribe songs yourself. The difficult part is still sticking with it.
 
Reading is really all about putting in the time. There are tons of books out there that can get you started in the right direction (Rich Appleman's "Reading Contemporary Electric Bass Rhythms" and Ron Velosky's "Sight Reading For The Bass" are two I have sitting here next to me). Fake/Real books are not what I would recommend to get you started. For theory, Mark Levine's "The Jazz Theory Book" is great, as is "Edly's Music Theory For Practical People" by Ed Roseman. Transcribing is also something that will help your reading a lot. The best advice I can give, though, is to find yourself a good teacher.
 
Reading is really all about putting in the time. There are tons of books out there that can get you started in the right direction (Rich Appleman's "Reading Contemporary Electric Bass Rhythms" and Ron Velosky's "Sight Reading For The Bass" are two I have sitting here next to me). Fake/Real books are not what I would recommend to get you started. For theory, Mark Levine's "The Jazz Theory Book" is great, as is "Edly's Music Theory For Practical People" by Ed Roseman. Transcribing is also something that will help your reading a lot. The best advice I can give, though, is to find yourself a good teacher.

Well I have been playing for a long time semi pro some pro, would you still recommend a teacher? I'm being serious, i don't think I'm too good for a teacher just thought it would be kind of expensive and difficult to find one who would put up with me:roflmao:.
 
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Well I have been playing for a long time semi pro some pro, would you still recommend a teacher? I'm being serious. If so give me some of your reasons.
I've been playing for thirty years at the same level as you (pro, semi-pro, whatever you want to call it). Like you I was always able to rely on my ears (and the odd lead sheet) to get me through most of what I had to play. But it always frustrated me that my reading and theory were way behind my playing ability. I had all kinds of books and videos but I've always found it difficult to be disciplined enough to stick with a reading and theory regimen for extended periods of time. Last year I started playing upright and took on a teacher. He's teaching me upright but, more importantly, he's getting me to work on my theory and reading. It's the best thing I've done for my bass playing in a long time. Some people may be disciplined enough to develop and follow their own program without a teacher. I am not one of those people but perhaps you are.
 
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I've been playing for thirty years at the same level as you (pro, semi-pro whatever you want to call it). Like you I was always able to rely on my ears (and the odd lead sheet) to get me through most of what I had to play. But it always frustrated me that my reading and theory were way behind my playing ability. I had all kinds of books and videos but I've always found it difficult to be disciplined enough to stick with a reading and theory regimen for extended periods of time. Last year I started playing upright and took on a teacher. He's teaching me upright but, more importantly, he's getting me to work on my theory and reading. It's the best thing I've done for my bass playing in a long time. Some people may be disciplined enough to develop and follow their own program without a teacher. I am not one of those people but perhaps you are.

Well I haven't been so far. I'm buying those books right now you recommended and am actually moving to Peru very soon so maybe i can find a good teacher out there who at least speaks some English, my Spanish isn't good enough yet.
I learned upright by playing in a very fast rock/psycho-billy band, it was either do or die, I never got really good at slapping but got pretty good at most types of upright bass and i got fast in that band, I can slap but I used metal strings which make it difficult for triplets etc. I appreciate your help though and also James's help.
 
Well I haven't been so far. I'm buying those books right now you recommended and am actually moving to Peru very soon so maybe i can find a good teacher out there who at least speaks some English, my Spanish isn't good enough yet.
I learned upright by playing in a very fast rock/psycho-billy band, it was either do or die, I never got really good at slapping but got pretty good at most types of upright bass and i got fast in that band, I can slap but I used metal strings which make it difficult for triplets etc. I appreciate your help though and also James's help.
If you're moving to Peru then it might be worth adding Oscar Stagnaro's "The Latin Bass Book" to your collection. Some good reading practice there.
 
I found "Reading Bass Parts" by Jim Stinnett helpful.
You could join a big band (or ten), like I have; that makes you read, when there aren't chords.
Bach's Six Suites for solo Cello is great music written in bass clef that you won't be able to fake.
The New Real Books have a lot of nice bass parts for jazz and pop written out; at least one volume is available with all the melodies written in F clef.
The Simandl "30 Studies for String Bass" works for any bass.
One way into theory is trying to solo on chord changes, as well as studying transcriptions of favorite solos and analysing them.
Sight reading - the ability to play any part correctly at first sight - is a goal that will require a lot of time and dedication. I don't have it yet, but with consistent effort I improve.
Good luck.
(I just remembered this: when you read, you can't look at your fretting hand....this has been a big obstacle for me on bass guitar, but not double bass. You have been warned.)
 
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Reading has been a weak point of mine too, but it's been getting betterover the past couple of years with the help of a great teacher. She started me with Hal Leonard Bass Method, Complete Edition. It does a great job at starting simple and building on skills. It got me reading, and I'm not afraid to pick apart some tricky written passages. It's also helped a lot to have a teacher who can help me scaffold challenging pieces. There have been days when we've spent over an hour working on reading 2 measures (usually James Jamerson stuff). She'll get me to start with just the rhythm, maybe for only the first full beat, then add the notes, then move to the second full beat, do the same, add them together. Sometimes I need support in some other way. She can read me and know how to help me be successful. These 2 things, the book, and a good teacher have made all the difference in the world.

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Many songs are posted in standard notation on the 'Tablature and Notation' board here.
I suggest to just pick one you like and start working on it (and then the next).
This is assuming you already know how standard notation works and you just need to actually practise reading. It is more interesting to read actual music than some exercise I always find.
Obviously avoid any tabs.

If you don't already know standard notation you'll really need a teacher to start you off. Knowing which note is what is easy and you can learn that from a book or video, but rhythmic notation is near impossible to learn in depth without guidance.
 
Really the thing I relate this to is typing. I'm not the best typist, but can probably put out close to 100wpm. Long ago though I rember having to search the keyboard for each individual letter. Now it just happens without any thought, but that is after typing thousands of pages of things. I just don't remember the learning process because it was so long ago.

Another ridiculous skill most have they overlook is talking. You can probably hear or read a new word without any difficulty, but at one point you would have to sound out each syllable and sound like an idiot.

The hardest part is you go from a competent individual in many regards to a 2 year old learning something that seems trivial. The good news is after reading sheet music exclusively for a 2-3 months, you will at least feel like you can read music. You will probably be awhile until you are sight reading.

The way I've been learning basically breaks the neck into positions, and teaches you the keys in those areas. Someone said that you need to know the fretboards well to sight read, and while that is true, I think learning to sight read will make you know the fretboard. I mean part of learning to type was learning where the keys are, but mastering the keyboard came with practice typing.

Unfortunately, my job limits me to about an hour a day at best to practice. And often I go a couple of days without playing, so my journey is long. In an ideal world I would be practicing 6-10 hours everyday...and not working.
 
Accept the fact that it is going to be a slow steady process and you have to separate it into three basic sections: Notes on the staff, notes on the fingerboard and rhythms. You will learn the notes on the staff fairly quickly and I'm sure that you already realize that there is more than one place to play a note but the rhythms can be a bigger challenge. Snare drum rudiments will help or something like "101 Rhythmic Rest Patterns" by Grover C. Yaus. Give yourself time to absorb the material by dedicating a specific amount of time every day for reading and keep a journal to document your progress. Eventually you will become familiar with common rhythmic figures just like the notes on the staff and the notes on the fingerboard. You can even start with a rudimentary trombone book, which is in bass clef, and play written nursery rhymes that you are familiar with to reinforce that you are reading correctly. You'd be surprised to find how many "standard" songs are commonly played differently than they were originally written. Remember that it's a learning process and have fun in the journey.
 
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I've been playing bass for just about 50 years, started out on trumpet in grade and junior high school, semi-learned to read but always could play by ear too well and remembered the simple tunes we had to play too well to have to rely on the music. I started to teach myself how to read for bass a few times but ran into the same problems, also probably laziness. I just retired and really want to stretch and learn to read and also progress. I can pretty much play all kinds of music but the problem is I cannot sight read at all. I find myself with a lot of time on my hands now (just retired, yay!) so I'm ready to start. My question is can anyone recommend some good books to start out with and has anyone been in a similar situation and found a way to progress with reading? I would also appreciate some tips on tools to get better such as metronomes etc, tools for learning I guess, thanks.

Your situation is a lot like mine... learned to read on another instrument in school band then picked up bass (and did learn to read on the first 5 frets at the beginning via a beginner book of some sort but then didn't look at music for like 20 years and can play way more complexly than I could read). Somebody mentioned that beginner books will be too easy for you, and they will be, mechanically, but you SHOULD start there; gotta crawl before you walk. You are a beginner reader so you start from the beginning. It should take all of a week or two to get the first 5 frets down if you can already play. No sweat.

Then, I think you will get the most mileage out of reading relatively easy Jazz/Blues walking bass lines because they constantly move, usually in even quarter notes, and they will help you break down and see chords. Rock is cool but it will either be too root-y or too rhythmically distracting for a new reader, there isn't a real good happy medium in rock.

I first tried reading walking lines using Aebersold Jazz play-a-longs but Reid and Carter are way more complicated than a beginner should be using without a teacher to explain what is going on harmonically and, perhaps more importantly to a beginner, shifting-wise. I have learned that there is a strategy in shifting fretting-hand position- I do know theory and mode patterns so I can see what's going on and that greatly helps shifting as each time you shift you want to shift to a position which will allow you to play a block of notes (and if you know scales and modes you will easily see what's going on and your shifting choices). You should definitely simultaneously learn the structure of major and minor triads and major, minor and dominant 7th chords. Nevermind the diminished for now, don't overwhelm yourself.

Speaking of not overwhelming yourself like I might have just done to you, read this:

I have found that TB's own Ed Fuqua has a book called Walking Bassics which is designed to teach you how to walk but it has been invaluable to me in learning to read/shift. It starts off very simply, using simple and repetitive keys and almost all dominant chords. You can easily spend a month dissecting the first three tunes to learn the ins and outs of shifting into "known patterns" so don't rush building that foundation (but do go ahead and play the other tunes for sight-reading/fretboard knowledge improvement (drop the sound files into a slower-downer and slow them down as much as necessary to keep up- you will not be looking for perfection so you don't stop, you just keep reading the notes and playing for the purpose of learning to sight read). You can stop here if you want so you don't get overwhelmed. Then read more below. All of this stuff is easy but it's easily overwhelming to take in all at once.

However, sight reading is easier when you know what's going on harmonically.

To aid your insight on the first three tunes, at this point merely learn the Mixolydian mode. Google that and/or read below

The finger pattern is like the major scale 2,4 1,2,4 1,3,4 except it's 2,4 1,2,4 1,2,4 (the 7th scale degree is flatted- learn how the Mixo mode sounds, don't just learn the pattern). Also note for the purposes of these tunes, you are effectively changing key with each chord change- if the chord is Bb7, you will largely be using the notes from Bb Mixolydian and when the chord changes to Eb7 you will largely be using the notes from the Eb Mixo. Don't overthink it at this point, just do it. It kinda violates the rules of basic (diatonic) theory and that's okay- you can totally demoralize yourself if you start asking "why" at this point. Just do it while simultaneously reading about theory. Learning will come in small increments that you might not notice then "BAM" you'll put 1 and 1 together and understand something.

Good luck. If you can afford a teacher, do it, but yep, it's sort of a PITA when you can already play. A teacher could show you a couple of these patterns then you could spend a couple of months using them and internalizing them. I would never bash lessons but you need a few bits of info and then lots of practice more than you need weekly lessons for the purposes of sight reading. Also, a community college theory course would be good for understanding chord structure but remember that Blues and Jazz is going to violate the chord movement that you'd learn but don't worry about that, just worry about the chord structure. Again, this is all WAY easier than all of these words imply but you have a bit of a ball of yarn to unravel first.
 

Jayme Lewis is an excellent player (chops are amazing) & a great instructor. This basic sight reading play along series might be helpful to you!


Haha I was literally going to recommend that @bobyoung53 check this out, as that's exactly why I started this series! Thanks for mentioning, and for the kind words @Afc70!

But the best way to become a good sight reader is to just read every day. 10 minutes or so. Or 5. Or 20. Just read a page each day, whatever you can afford. Over weeks and months you'll get better. And don't be afraid to go slow - you're learning to read a new language here. When you started reading English it was Green Eggs and Ham, and music will be no different. You're gonna start with the musical equivalent of The Cat in the Hat, but don't worry - you'll be to Stephen King one day, just not this week.

But the most important thing is that you play in time! Do it to a click, always always always! Or check out https://www.sightreadingfactory.com, it's another fantastic resource for sight reading. (If you're interested, use the coupon code THEBASSISTSRF and that'll take 10% off as well). It's not my company but I know the guys and their service is legit. I use it every day :)

Hope that helps!