Lovin My DR Lo-Riders (aka Rounds to Flats and Back Again)

May 5, 2008
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Having just finished my 2nd weekend playing my first ever set of DR Nickel Lo-Riders, I can honestly say I love these strings more than anything else I've played in 35 years of playing.

Quick backstory... the bass is a 78 Precision black/black/maple that I've played since I was 16. For years I was an all-in stainless rounds guy (Rotosounds, Dean Markley, GHS) and they were all OK for what I was doing. Then started picking up more classic rock and country gigs, plus some jazz, so gave Fender flats a spin. Pretty good, but a little too thumpy once I joined a Nu Country cover band. GHS Pressurewounds fit the bill for that but when they hit end of life a few weeks ago and with that gig in my rearview I thought it was time to get something a little more forward and modern sounding as my main gig now is contemporary praise music at my church and rounds are pretty much the sound in that genre plus the sound guys were having a hard time getting me in the mix when all the other bassists were rolling active basses and rounds. So after some research and the usual flawless service from BassStringsOnline, a new set of DR Nickel Lo-Riders showed up at my door and we were on our way.

The first thing I noticed about the Lo-Riders was that even though they are definitely rounds, they feel good under my fingers. I was concerned about that since I had gotten used to my broken-in Pressurewounds on top of which I don't play nearly as much as I used to so my finger pads have gotten pretty soft. I was also really happy to not be fighting a lot of string noise. They are very nicely balanced string to string, intonate extremely well, and even though they are little light for my taste (.45 to .105 for mediums) they put out good output, even the skinny G string.

The other thing I really like about them is that they are the first string that really seems to "work" with my bass. For whatever reason my bass absolutely sings in the mid registers (A and D strings 7th through 12th fret) but the tradeoff has always been this clanky attack with pretty much every string I've ever used (even flats with the tone rolled off still threw off a "tick"). I play fingerstyle with a light touch so I've never known how to tame the sharp attack the bass seems to put out just on its own and the combination of clank/thump with not enough meat in the middle just wasn't doing it for me at all. To the point I considered yanking off the original neck and putting on one with a rosewood board but could never bring myself to do it. Well with the Lo-Riders the definition is just THERE, without the tick or clank. You can hear each note and they reward precise playing but the attack doesn't overtake the fundamental which has always been a thing on my particular bass. Result, sound guy isn't rolling off all the highs and causing my bass to go into the mud in the P.A.

I went back and forth for a long time between these and Sunbeams and I may give the Sunbeams a try still at some point but it would take a lot to make me any happier than I am with what I'm rolling now. Full disclosure, NOT an endorser in fact I'm not even getting paid to play music at all right now; just a guy who's really happy to have finally found what seems to have been the missing link in my sonic equation.
 
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My favorite string for years, great description. I occasionally try something different once in a while, then kick myself for wasting $30. I think the Sunbeams sound almost identical, but I like the feel and tension of the Lo-Riders better and they have less fret noise with very low action.

Mark
 
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My J bass wore a set of Nickel Lo-Riders 40-100 for six months two years ago and I really liked the way they sounded and felt - punchy mids without too much zing at the top, along with smooth texture and just the right amount of stiffness.

Then I discovered the GHS Pressurewounds last August and never looked back.
 
GHS Pressurewounds fit the bill for that but when they hit end of life a few weeks ago and with that gig in my rearview I thought it was time to get something a little more forward and modern sounding as my main gig now is contemporary praise music at my church and rounds are pretty much the sound in that genre plus the sound guys were having a hard time getting me in the mix when all the other bassists were rolling active basses and rounds.

Just curious... What exactly is it that makes the Nickel LRs a better choice for you than the GHS PWs?

My church currently has four bassists who play regularly - one with an active J-style 5-string with rounds, one with an active J-style 6-string with rounds, one with a passive 4-string PJ with rounds and myself with a passive 4-string J with PWs. Our audio techs keep telling me I'm the easiest to work with for getting just the right mix.
 
Just curious... What exactly is it that makes the Nickel LRs a better choice for you than the GHS PWs?

My church currently has four bassists who play regularly - one with an active J-style 5-string with rounds, one with an active J-style 6-string with rounds, one with a passive 4-string PJ with rounds and myself with a passive 4-string J with PWs. Our audio techs keep telling me I'm the easiest to work with for getting just the right mix.

I would guess your church's sound techs are a little more seasoned than ours. No disrespect to them but I could never figure out how a 78 P with passive Nordstrand PUs and Pressurewounds could be hard to fit into a mix. I think they've basically got one EQ setting on the bass channel (for the active bass w/rounds) and they never tweak it depending on who's playing, meaning the broken in PWs were naturally going to sound even duller than usual due to the EQing. So rather than expect them to re-EQ things every time I play, I just figured I'd give them a little closer to what they're used to at the source. I also put my SansAmp BDDI in line for the first time last Sunday with just a very slight level boost (3:00), blend at 11:00, Drive at 10:00, Bass and Treble settings as close to zero boost as possible and a pretty sizable rolloff of Presence... that seemed to sweeten things up a bit also.

Oh ya forgot to mention, when I ordered them BassStringsOnline was running a sale... $16.97 a set, shipped. How can you beat that?
 
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I went from being a big LoRider guy, to exclusively playing flats. Now when I do use rounds (always on a J), they are sunbeams. Theres just a bloom and low mid content that I don't seem to get with the LoRiders on my P bass, though the Lo's seem to have a punchier initial attack. I still like them, I just like sunbeams more.
 
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I would guess your church's sound techs are a little more seasoned than ours. No disrespect to them but I could never figure out how a 78 P with passive Nordstrand PUs and Pressurewounds could be hard to fit into a mix.

I'm very fortunate to be working with three very competent sound techs, two of whom are professional sound engineers and the other a very experienced volunteer.

I also put my SansAmp BDDI in line for the first time last Sunday with just a very slight level boost, blend at 11:00, Drive at 10:00, Bass and Treble settings as close to zero boost as possible and a pretty sizable rolloff of Presence... that seemed to sweeten things up a bit also.

Now that you mentioned the SA BDDI, I just thought of something...

My church supplies the SA BDDI as the bassic equipment for bass players to go direct to the FOH. I'm the only one who insists on using my own VT Bass DI, and I think that has a lot with my bass being easier to mix. The BDDI is a decent piece of gear for adding some tubey warmth to your bass, but its default EQ curve is way too scooped for my taste. The lack of mids means getting lost in the mix.
 
I'm very fortunate to be working with three very competent sound techs, two of whom are professional sound engineers and the other a very experienced volunteer.



Now that you mentioned the SA BDDI, I just thought of something...

My church supplies the SA BDDI as the bassic equipment for bass players to go direct to the FOH. I'm the only one who insists on using my own VT Bass DI, and I think that has a lot with my bass being easier to mix. The BDDI is a decent piece of gear for adding some tubey warmth to your bass, but its default EQ curve is way too scooped for my taste. The lack of mids means getting lost in the mix.

Yup and that's why I did a LOT of research (mostly right here on TalkBass) on how to counteract the BDDI "scoop". Hence Bass and Treble being at around 10:00 each while Level is almost cranked and Blend favors more of my bass than the box. I am using the BDDI strictly for tubeyness and a touch of level boost since our actual DI that the SansAmp is going into is an Avalon U5 which is a mighty nice box but to my ear, a little dry and cold.
 
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Yup and that's why I did a LOT of research (mostly right here on TalkBass) on how to counteract the BDDI "scoop". Hence Bass and Treble being at around 10:00 each while Level is almost cranked and Blend favors more of my bass than the box. I am using the BDDI strictly for tubeyness and a touch of level boost since our actual DI that the SansAmp is going into is an Avalon U5 which is a mighty nice box but to my ear, a little dry and cold.

Yep. The mids are upped by rolling back the bass and treble on a BDDI. I've always liked the BDDI and never had the "scoop" issue, because I read the manual;)
 
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Yep. The mids are upped by rolling back the bass and treble on a BDDI. I've always liked the BDDI and never had the "scoop" issue, because I read the manual;)

I never thought the scoop on the BDDI was that bad...until I had a chance to A/B it and my VTB DI on my practice rig at home (Mackie 402-VLZ4/ATH-M50). The difference was rather shocking! I'm not giving up my VTB any time soon. That's all I have to say... ;)
 
I tried these a week ago on a buddy's bass and I thought they felt like flats-a beautiful feel and tone albeit a tad stiff. even softer than sunbeams.

Not to be misunderstood... I am not downing Pressurewounds at all. I really liked my time with them from a tension and feel perspective, and they lasted forever. It was just the sound--on my bass, with my fingers--that wasn't getting it done and that's where for me, the Lo-Riders have sealed the deal. I'm sure there are plenty of others who had just the opposite experience and that's why we live in such a great time to play bass... so many options available.
 
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Not to be misunderstood... I am not downing Pressurewounds at all. I really liked my time with them from a tension and feel perspective, and they lasted forever. It was just the sound--on my bass, with my fingers--that wasn't getting it done and that's where for me, the Lo-Riders have sealed the deal. I'm sure there are plenty of others who had just the opposite experience and that's why we live in such a great time to play bass... so many options available.

Hey, whatever works for you, that's what counts. ;)

Meanwhile, this whole side discussion about the SA BDDI vs. VT Bass DI got me thinking...

When I tried the Nickel Lo-Riders, I was still using the SA BDDI. If I were to try them again with my current setup, my experience might be different this time around. Just sayin'...
 
Lo Riders are the one string that has sounded fantastic on every bass I've tried them on, including my Precision. It's currently wearing flats (Labella DTF's) again because I have 3 other growly basses, but the Lo Riders, especially nickels, are easily my favorite string. The warm and clear tone, the relatively smooth feel of the wraps, the pretty high stiffness, and the really long life are a combination I haven't found in any other string yet.

I'll sometimes try other strings out of curiosity and I have found a few that I like a lot, but so far I haven't tried a string I like nearly as much as Lo Riders.
 
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