Mesa Walkabout + Ampeg 210 vs Fender Rumble 500?

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Hi All - first post, but long time lurker & reader.

My son has started playing bass (Yamaha BB234) moving on from guitar. His Fender Chorus guitar amp isn't near loud enough for our house-party gigs (rock, blues) with 1 x guitarist & drums. He may go on to small venue pub gigs in a year or two, and I'd like to cater for that possibility.

I've done quite a bit of research here and elsewhere over the past few weeks, and now I've got a choice to grab a secondhand 300w Mesa Walkabout and would look to match it with a 210 cabinet e.g the Ampeg microstack (AMPEG MICROSTACK 2 X 10 BASS SPEAKER CAB). The other option I'm considering is a new Fender Rumble 500, which is similar $$$.

I like to cry once, buy once, and prefer to get good gear that'll last, be flexible & have some resale value if sold down the track. I'm in NZ, so new & secondhand gear is much more limited than in the US.

Out of these two locally available options, which do you esteemed experts recommend? Many thanks!
 
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The Walkabout is far superior in tone to that Rumble. Except I wouldn't use that cab. You'll only be using 160 watts of the amp's capability, and that cab is a little shy (unless you wan to buy two of them). I'd suggest looking for a 4 ohm cab.
 
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I've owned both. No comparison.

The Fender's got a lot of fans and is fine for what it is. What it isn't is a WalkAbout.

The WalkAbout is an all-time classic bass head for which the legendary status will only increase. Don't risk letting it fall into the wrong hands!

It kills for funk and blues. Fantastic for rock. That small Ampeg cab is great for its size and price, but as for getting enough volume and bass you might get away with it but if you can get two of 'em that's ideal.
 
Thanks all - excellent advice & much appreciated.

At this stage I'm liking the thought of the mesa + 1x210 cab - start with one, and see if we need to add another (and another at 2.7 Ohm!) if / as required. Will mull it over a couple of days, then see if the mesa is still available.
 
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Hello, sultan. Welcome to TalkBass.

I believe the Mesa to be a very fine amp and would probably serve you well with many different cabs.

But, as a 6 year owner of a Rumble 500 combo, I cannot recommend its "bang-for-the-buck" more highly. The controls are quite flexible for a wide range of tones, including Overdrive, and can deliver up to 350 watts by itself in an extremely lightweight 36.5 lb. single hand carry. It never fails to surprise those I play with. When you need more power, then an 8 ohm cab pulls the rest of the 500 watts. It is an exceptional value. See The Fender Rumble Club for further discussions, or the Rumble Club Wiki page, linked in my signature, for all kinds of Rumble info.

Hope this helps.
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Thanks all - excellent advice & much appreciated.

At this stage I'm liking the thought of the mesa + 1x210 cab - start with one, and see if we need to add another (and another at 2.7 Ohm!) if / as required. Will mull it over a couple of days, then see if the mesa is still available.

Do NOT add a 3rd cab for 2.67 ohm. the Walkabout was and has been (re) rated for only 4 ohm max.
Take it from someone who has to send theirs in for repair.
 
I have a Fender Rumble, and I can definetly recommend that one. I play in loads of settings and the Rumble can handle them all. More than enough headroom for gigging and lightweight. I have an Aguilar AG700 as well, but the Rumble still get it's fair share of gigging because of the portability and great sound. That one is definetly one your son can have for a long time. And if he want more juice (I doubt he'd need it any time soon) he can get a 2x10 extension cabinet.
 
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Thanks for all the replies!

No Ampeg 212AV available in NZ, and plus the head it's getting up there $-wise. Looks a great match with the Walkabout though. The pandemic is disrupting global supply chains, and a lot of stock here in NZ islis or non existent (mind you, so is COVID, so I'm not complaining).

A third (and final!) option available is the Gallian Krueger GK MB212 mark II for just a little more money. Tempting.

I appreciate all of these amps are slightly different niches and price points, and all have their good points. I'm pleasantly surprised by the great options out there, even here.
 
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The Rumble has a fan base, but I have no experience with them. I do have experience with the Walkabout. I will give it up when they pry it from my cold, dead hands. Your options may be limited by what is available, but if selection were good, you could consider simply starting with the Walkabout/Scout combo. Mine has the 4 Ohm 15" speaker, and I think this thing would actually handle a small or medium sized gig. With the passive down-firing radiator/sub speaker, this little box is quite surprising. If the speaker were the 8 Ohm variety, then another 15" 8 Ohm cabinet could be added, which would be plenty for most gigs I play. Later, if needed, he could spring for a decent, sensitive 2x12 cab or equivalent.

Lots of options, particularly if you start with the Walkabout/Scout combo.
 
GK 212 would be my vote of all that then.

The sound and tone is of course up to you first and foremost. My drummer works at at music store and I have to use their Rumbles for any gig they sponsor that they call me to play with him. I really dislike the Rumble sound, its so boxy sounding and drags down any bright tones from my bass.
 
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I used to own a Mesa Walkabout and have played the Rumble 500 a few times, including as a backline with a full jazz band and choir in a theater. I've played a 210/Micro AV stack in a store and at a jam in a medium-small pub but have not played the cab with the Walkabout.

For myself, between the two amps, I'd rather have the Walkabout. Between the two options presented, Rumble 500 combo vs. WA + one 210 AV, I would still rather have the Walkabout (though I'd be looking to pick up a second cab when I could), but it's not necessarily a slam dunk and would depend on your needs and use.

The Walkabout has a more flexible EQ and gain staging, sounds better (subjective and context-dependent), and will slot more easily into a wider variety of mixes (somewhat subjective -- EQ and voicing influence this). The DI is also very nice. (Though I haven't used it, I don't doubt that the Rumble's DI is acceptable, but I know the WA DI is very good -- be advised, though, that it is "post everything," including master volume, which has advantages and drawbacks -- there is a separate DI level control, though, which can help compensate for that.)

As a learning tool, I feel that the Walkabout has more to teach a developing player about gain staging and EQ than the Rumble does. Dialing the Gain up or down doesn't just affect the S/N ratio or the level of drive, but influences the note-envelope and "touch" in an organic way. The Walkabout, like the Rumble, has some baked-in voicing -- I tend to go for more neutral/evenly-voiced stuff these days -- but, again, it's a classic sound, toneful and flexible (via Gain and EQ). If you told me that I had to lay down some tracks over the next week for a mystery project using one of the amps, I'd pick the Walkabout, no question.

For the Rumble, it's light, louder than you'd expect, straightforward to use, and can sound great in the right setting. I don't know that I'd call it boxy or dull, but it can get boomy and there is a hole somewhere in the mids/upper mids that you can't address with EQ. (I've not played a Rumble head with another cab, but my impression, in the case of the combo, is that this has more to do with the cab than with the head.)

To be fair, I was still able to dial-in a good sound for the aforementioned gig (got compliments, even) and play it successfully, but I found the process of working around the boom (some rooms/stages are just tough, but the Rumble doesn't help itself, here) and the hole in the mids annoying and I think that, with the Walkabout and a good cab, I'd have had more leeway in dialing-in workable tones.

I could see the control and EQ setup for the WA being frustrating for a beginner. Some patience and maybe a little guidance would be helpful with that. The Rumble is more straight forward (and there's nothing else to carry or set up).

Both with the 210 AVs and in general (assuming both amps are using cabs of similar efficiency), the Rumble has a volume advantage over the Walkabout -- the Rumble with two tens will be roughly as loud as a Walkabout with three, with four tens, about as loud as a WA with six.

At the aforementioned pub Blues jam (louder than it should have been but not crazy as such things go), the single 210 AV was keeping up, but just (the amp was running out of headroom, but the cab was starting to strain, too). A stack of two would have felt and sounded more full, comfortable, and articulate. I feel comfortable saying that the Rumble 210 combo would have kept up fine on its own.

On the other hand, while the 210 AVs have less native bass, I see them being better behaved (less boomy, better through the mids) on more stages.

[Note: Folks used often to run the Walkabout with three 8 Ohm cabs as a way of making it more viable in loud settings -- I contemplated doing the same for awhile -- but, though Mesa winked at it, it was never officially supported and is now actively discouraged, so I wouldn't do it if you want your Walkabout to live a long, happy life.]

If, someday, you decide two 210 AVs aren't enough, you might need to look into different cabs. With 165 Watts at 8 Ohms and 300 Watts at 4 Ohms, you might need a little more cab than you would with a 500 Watt head. I used to play mine through a fairly efficient (~100 dB/W/m) and mid-forward, 4 Ohm 2x12 and, with loud people in loud clubs, it wasn't enough. The Markbass F500 I also had at the time (compact, 500 Watt class D head -- same rating as the Rumble), with that cab provided noticeably more headroom.

Using an HPF (fDeck HPF3) in the effects loop helped but, if I were to play similar gigs with the WA today, I'd be looking for an efficient 2x15 setup or similar (and using the HPF, at least in louder settings, though that's not their only use).

All that said, two 210 AVs and a Mesa Walkabout are a way better and more capable rig than a lot of bass players start with and would be enough for everything you've described in the OP. One -- well, it's a medium-duty 210. There's a lot that you can do with it, but there are limits.

If you do push the WA's power section hard (and feel like channeling some Jack Bruce), it overdrives gloriously (watch the cab(s), though, if you do).

If you and your son can try the rigs first, I would -- for all I've said, he might like the Rumble more (and it, too, would be a big improvement over playing through his guitar amp -- careful of the speakers, doing that, btw). The Rumble does have some things (power, clean SPL potential, convenience) over the Walkabout.

I'd be curious what other cabs might be available to you, but if I had a choice between the Rumble and WA + 210 AV to use as my only rig, I'd take the latter, but to feel comfortable playing out in different settings, I'd be looking to add a second 210 before long. If I were looking to play in very loud settings, I'd probably be looking at larger and more efficient cabs.

EDIT: GK combos were mentioned -- of their recent cabs and combos, those with 12" speakers sound the most balanced to me -- their 10s (Neo 410 and MB 210 combo) strike me as boomy, their 15s as middy and dry. The 12s seem to strike a decent balance. I would take the MB212 combo over the Rumble (or the MB 210).

I should also mention that while I have my opinions on the Rumble combos, I wouldn't consider my experience with them to be exhaustive -- I've certainly played worse stuff and if they work for you, they work. Both the little 25 Watt practice combo and the Rumble 500 seem to like my P-bass with flats.

EDIT AGAIN: Depending on cab selection and prices where you are, I wonder if you'd find it worthwhile to build (or have built) a cab or two -- that would depend on your comfort with the process and the price and availability of parts, but there are many good threads on the topic and some efficient designs that would make the WA sing.
 
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Thanks all. I missed out on the auction for the Walkabout (price went higher than I was prepared to pay). Would have liked to try those preamp tubes out (I run my guitar into a 68 Fender Custom Deluxe Reverb, and love the tubes), but it wasn't to be.

So: Rumble 500 Vs MB 212 Mark II it is. Practical. New. Expandable. Capable. Unless something else comes up second hand in the next week.