Musician's Union

Robin,

I don't actually belong to any union in the US. I think the main reason for joining would be if you're involved in Broadway shows and theatre and tv stuff that is Union.

Other than that I really don't know. The only thing that the union could possibly do that's good for working musicians is sort out the flying with instruments situation. And they haven't. So I think they suck and am reluctant to pay them a truck load of money for no reason.

I'm sure there is someone way better qualified to talk about the union than me though. I'm not a member and don't really like the musicians union so I'm not really the cat to talk to....

sorry.

Easy,

Janek
 
I have been a union member, but am not currently. As to your first question, the advantages are much the same as being in ANY collective bargaining organization. Like, say, auto workers.:rollno:
In areas that they have a lot of members involved in (like Broadway and tv and orchestras) they still can call some of the shots in terms of pay and benefits. Back when they had a lot of clout in the recording industry, they got the record companies to pay into the Musician's Performance Trust Fund, which pays union musicians to play free public performances (since jukeboxes took a lot of jobs away from musicians who would formerly play live in those venues), they've managed to keep Broadway shows and large ballet groups etc. from using recorded music instead of live musicians. They have a pension program, mdical benefits program and (at least here in NYC) are connnected with the credit union that the Stage actors union runs and is the only lending institution that will give you a loan for a musical instrument that will use the instrument itself as collateral for the loan.
Disadvantages are, you have to pay to join, pay annual dues and pay work dues on every job you play.

And here's the sticker, you have to submit a contract on every job you play. The union establishes pay scales for all kinds of jobs. I, as a struggling jazz musician, often play jobs that pay nowhere near union scale. So, if I were a union member, would STILL have to submit a contract for the job (which they would not enforce since it fell below scale) AND woulld STILL have to pay work dues on what I got paid (even if I didn't get the money cause the owner stiffed me AND they wouldn't go after him because I was working below scale). They don't get gigs for you (sort of), they don't guarantee anything (sort of) and they sure don't audition you before you get your card.
If you live in East Bum**** and play both electric and upright AND there are a lot of shows (Broadway road shows, singers, comedians etc) that come through AND who also play NYC, Vegas and LA, then they are likely to have a number of union folks on the crew and are more likely to call the union looking for sidemen to book. The you'll get the call. Unless there are 14 crusty old mother****ers who've been in the union since time began in front of you. Then they will ALL have to have gigs that they will start subbing out to cat further down the rung. So bassist A will get the well paying Barry Manilow show and yo will get stuck playing the Hokey Pokey at the LiveWell Community Center and Full Care Facility.
If, however, you are the only guy in town (or in a 75 mile radius) that plays both electric and upright, then you're going to get the call anyway, cause you are the ONLY ONE, dig?

As far as your second question what do most full-time musicians do for health and dental insurance?, they have husbands/wives or girlfriends/boyfriends with jobs that have benefits.
 
I don't belong to a musicians' union (yet).

This is what I've heard from asking around, and please tell me if this is true:

If you're a non-union guy that lands a gig at a big name hotel lounge staffed by union workers; and you're not union, the union workers may stop serving.

If this is true, and you're working a wedding or other special event, I can see some real problems happening.

Joe
 
Bassist4Life said:
I don't belong to a musicians' union (yet).

This is what I've heard from asking around, and please tell me if this is true:

If you're a non-union guy that lands a gig at a big name hotel lounge staffed by union workers; and you're not union, the union workers may stop serving.

If this is true, and you're working a wedding or other special event, I can see some real problems happening.

Joe
no that's not true,I'v played hundreds of those type of gig's (literally)and have never been asked for a union card
 
The union is a waste of ****ing time. If you're not in an orchestra, or doing a west end show, don't bother. I've heard of a couple of scandals in london that haven't been reported.

I used to think they'd be good for contracts, but since you can get that stuff online now, I don't see the point in joining.
 
First I'd like to say that I do understand many of the negative experiences some have had. When someone talks of a negative experience it would be good to ask when that had happened as people carry issues for a number of years. The AFM is always working on finding more services and benefits that can help the working freelance musician. I should point out that I'm one of the Field Service Representatives for the AFM and was the President of a local up until February of 2006. Coming from a rock/r&b/blues background I got involved to make a difference to contemporary freelance musicians who didn't work under collective bargaining agreements. When I was a delegate to AFM conventions I was part of a lobbying group that got the AFM to give money back to locals for providing services that would assist freelance musicians. We were also able to create a position at the AFM for a Director of Freelance Services. The current director is Paul Sharpe who works out of the Canadian office. Paul has heart and a sincere passion for freelance musicians. Paul has created the gopromusic.com site for referrals and has been working on other arms of gopro including a music teachers site, a site like a mini-ebay for members who want to auction off their used equipment and a site for sales of downloading tunes and also for the sale of CD's, etc.

There are medical plans available and some at low cost by having a choice of A, B & C plans with various deductibles. We all must recognize that this is not an easy thing to deal with these days especially getting plans that are available in all fifty states.

I have talked to a lot of members that are happy with the instrument insurance that is available and also the liability insurance which more purchasers of music are asking bands to have before being hired.

In the last few years there is now a contract that accommodates pension fund contributions on casual engagements such as weddings, etc. The father of the bride can sign an agreement where all the musicians on the gig, including the leader, can get a contribution with the leader writing the check to the fund so that the father of the bride only has to write one check to the leader.

There is also a fund that helps musicians with medical problems that cause them to miss jobs. If one has been a member of the AFM for at least one year they can get awarded up to $500 to help during this time that they are unable to play their instrument.

Members must be proactive in understanding what is available to them through their memberships.

I know this is turning into a long post. Please feel free to ask any other questions any of you may have as I do frequent TB on almost a daily basis.

Wally
 
I was a union member back in the 70s when I was playing high school dances for the Seattle public school system. Up side was the gigs paid really, really well and we had bookings every weekend.

The down side was if any musician got into any trouble during the gig the union wasn't willing to help out all that much. Keeping the account was more important than helping out the dumb**** who got hisself into hot water

I also think it really depends on the town or area your playing in. NY, LA, Nashille, Las Vegas have very strong unions and if yer playing in one of their houses you'd best have a card. The union wasn't that strong in clubs in Seattle- I NEVER played a union club, but they were strong for the Elks, Rotary, VFW kinds of gigs. Y'know - the old codger gigs back when I was a whippersnapper -- and who wanted to play THOSE? haha

As I recall we did get med/dental and insurance. Also if ya joined the Seattle union proper ya got to swim in their pool. It was way cheaper to go 30 miles north and sign up for the Everett Local tho!
 
I joined the union only because I had to. I was subbing on the broadway show "Hot Feet" (An awesome experience by the way. I love EWF's music), but haven't done any more broadway or high-profile work since then, so I haven't been paying my dues. If I get another opportuinity for that kind of work and money starts rolling in, yeah, I'll pay up, but not before then. So, I'm in the union when I want to be. lol.

As far as health insurance goes, that's something I need to look into myself. My wife and I both used to work full time, but I went to school while she was still working full time. But most recently, she quit her job to go back to school herself, and is only working part time with no benefits. I just graduated, so I'm trying to find a way to get some type of health coverage, especially because we have a 2-year old son. I could do a full time 9-5 job, but prefer not to. If you find anything, let me know.
 
Broadway shows have great pension fund contributions. One would not want to have a five year break with no contributions or what was already put in on their behalf would be lost. I met a bass player in Reno that had done a Broadway show some years ago. In a two year period he had over $20,000 in contributions, dropped out of the union and lost those contributions. To get credit for a full year one must have $3,000 of pensionable wages and that can be broken down into 3/4, 1/2 or 1/4 of a year.

Wally