Double Bass new acoustic italian cable tested

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Nothing you can say about the cable with the video. No comparison.
The amp, pickup, pickup placement and bass makes the sound. A slight deviation produced by a cheap instrument cable is hard to hear, even in a comparison.
If the difference between a cheap cable and a quality cable is named big (but it isn’t big at all), the difference of a quality cable to a high end quality cable must be named small.

Seems a bit like a shameless advertising to me.
 
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Ah yes, the "golden ears" phenomenon. Effects that can't even be found in oscilloscope traces somehow are magically detected by the ears, even though the ears can only discriminate to about 3 dB. And if you can't hear it, it must be because you have insufficiently developed "golden ears". And if you challenge it, you get a load of some mystical BS. And no one, ever, ever, ever, does a double-blind, I wonder why?

In God we trust; all others must bring data.

Next up, the 50 page thread on how some new super-super power cord magically makes you sound better.
 
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Well actually, when I was beginning, I had this magic grey cable that could play the sound of bass nicely enough, and could as well play some odd french radio at the same time! I could mix the amount of radio/bass by moving from spot to spot! I was never able to get such a miraculous cable again. Even the most expensive cables can play only the bass nowadays.
 
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"...you'll find that one guy wants to sell you 10 feet of speaker cable for $100; another guy claims his are a LOT better, and they MUST be better because they cost $300 for 10 feet; and then a similar claim is made for a $480 cable. But if they all have the same R, L, and C—and each one spouts claims such as..."superior imaging"..."finer presence and less phase shift," etc., etc.—that strikes me as somewhere between fraud and hoax.

You can spend your money any way you want to. You can say that you hear a difference. But if I offer you an ABX test, you should not get mad at me and stalk out.

Some of my favorite "hoax" stories are just the claims that manufacturers of speaker cables tell about their wires. I really like the cable with "large-diameter wires to carry the low-frequency music, and small-diameter wires to carry the high-frequency music." (Of course, it's easy to compute that the skin effect of copper wire will make a 3° difference in the phase shift of the thin/fat wires at about 300 kHz. And, since the fat wires and the skinny wires are paralleled, you won't be able to see any significant difference in phase shift at 20 or 30 kHz.)

The other cable I'm impressed with is the stuff that has a conductive "insulation." When this cable's resistive losses match the capacitive and inductive attenuation and the conductive losses, and the phase shift is minimized, it should sound better.

Well, if it sounds better to you, go ahead and buy it. But, if it just sounds different, then maybe you do want to buy it—or maybe you don't. Maybe when you really turn up the volume, the conductive "insulator" will start to get hot??

Speaking of cables, my friend Tom said that his wife recently went to buy some new speakers at Circuit City. The salesman sold her some new speaker wires "because the old ones were probably worn out."

Additional amazing audio quasihoaxes:

When you have line-level cables (with RCA-type phono jacks), the expensive cables sound much better than inexpensive ones.
After you decide to specify the expensive cables, the ones with gold plated jacks sound much better than the solder-plated ones.
These cables have a preferred direction, and sound better when you connect them up in the preferred direction, with the arrows pointing from the tuner toward the amplifier.
In addition, these cables sound better if they have been broken in, or aged, with a special ac signal forced through the cable.
The best burn-in fixture for these audio cables uses digital signals to force current through the cables.
Needless to say, I've never heard of any one of these wonder cables being tested with an ABX box. Probably the "Golden Ear" person would object to the relays in the ABX box, as they would corrupt the signal. But maybe we could overcome those objections by using a digital burn-in circuit to burn in the ABX box..."

- Bob Pease
 
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I did a job for a guy who was making magic cables. He wrapped the wire himself I think with silver wire which had to be drawn during a certain moon phase and made up his own lacquer recipe which had only natural materials. The connectors had to be wood so as not to interfere with the signal. He expected to sell them for like 20k. I don't think the project advanced past the prototype stage, but it was fun to make something so pretty:)
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turf3 said:
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...When you have line-level cables (with RCA-type phono jacks), the expensive cables sound much better than inexpensive ones.

- Bob Pease
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I must chime in here though. A lot of the cheap interconnect cables, RCA or 3.5mm, etc., are made with some pretty low grade copper. You have trouble after three years and cut away the insulation near the connector and see a lot of blue crud. I'm not saying that you must pay big bucks to have good sound, but at least don't buy off-brand stuff from Walmart or Ebay.
 
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What happened to the old Belden guitar cable. The stuff would lay flat on the floor as if it liked it there. Every cable I buy now has to be unkinked and wrapped very neatly to not jump up and try to trip me
 
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DoubleMIDI said:
Nothing you can say about the cable with the video. No comparison.
The amp, pickup, pickup placement and bass makes the sound. A slight deviation produced by a cheap instrument cable is hard to hear, even in a comparison.
If the difference between a cheap cable and a quality cable is named big (but it isn’t big at all), the difference of a quality cable to a high end quality cable must be named small.

Seems a bit like a shameless advertising to me.
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Sorry for my later, infact i don't use any effect the pickup was clamped to the bridge for internal side, to haven't deviation from the amp i retune the bass before record !

Matteo
 
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If you want to compare something with something else, everything needs to be the same, except for the thing that should be compared.
Since we do not have something like that to compare to (a recording with the same circumstances except an avarage quality cable), nothing could be said about the cable except that it works basically and doesn’t distort or drastically damps a frequency range. But every avarage and even cheaper cable would work basically.
You need to deliver a proof so everyone can hear that it is better and how much better than an avarage cable.
If you don’t it’s simply advertising for the dumb.
 
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DoubleMIDI said:
If you want to compare something with something else, everything needs to be the same, except for the thing that should be compared.
Since we do not have something like that to compare to (a recording with the same circumstances except an avarage quality cable), nothing could be said about the cable except that it works basically and doesn’t distort or drastically damps a frequency range. But every avarage and even cheaper cable would work basically.
You need to deliver a proof so everyone can hear that it is better and how much better than an avarage cable.
If you don’t it’s simply advertising for the dumb.
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Ok DoubleMIDI,
but this is not a cable comparision, it is a acoustic/amplified comparision like i said in the first part of the video, not a advertisiing for the dumb, in the italian advertising world in the 80' of the past century it was sayd: try to belive !!
 
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bigmatteo said:
Ok DoubleMIDI,
but this is not a cable comparision, it is a acoustic/amplified comparision like i said in the first part of the video, not a advertisiing for the dumb, in the italian advertising world in the 80' of the past century it was sayd: try to belive !!
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I bet that an average quality cable of the same length would work as well.
There is no proof that it works better than any other average quality cable.
No comparison with an average good quality cable means that you count on peoples believing, not on facts.
That‘s only good advertising from the seller‘s perspective, not from the users.

Enough others don‘t believe you here, so don‘t continue here unless you have a proof that this cable is better than other average quality cables.

If you do, a moderator might want to decide if this fits in here or not and if you should get a warning or get off Talkbass or not.
 
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The cable demo I want to see is:
- Have a 250lb guitar play stomp on it in his combat boots
- Coil it tightly then ungracefully pull it out of the coil like a gorilla, repeat 50 times
- Unplug it 50 times by yanking on the cable, not the connector
- Bend it at a 90deg angle at the connector (strain relief?!) repeatedly

Does it still work? If so, SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!
 
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