Plugin Alliance AMPEG SVT VR-cl model vs. VT BASS [BLIND TEST]

Which one is the VST plugin and NOT the VT bass?

  • 01 - Clip A

  • 02 - Clip B


Results are only viewable after voting.
Lately and up until mid February, the rather costly Plugin Alliance/Brainworx Ampeg model of the VR (stripped down version, to be precise) is free using the AMPEG-FOR-FREE code at checkout - I did a dedicated thread in the recording section for those who are interested.

Anyway, since many people regard their VST/Ampeg models as some of the best digital versions if not the best so far, I decided to do a blind test of a simple groovy downtuned riff (Devil's Dance by Metallica, for reference) using both the plugin with the neutral DI and my VT Bass:




As mentioned before, one is the export of the plugin with their included 8x10 IR processing the neutral output, the other is the analogue VT Bass pedal by Tech 21 shaping the tone and no VST emulation. Both are WAV files.

Yes, I have to say I am quite impressed by what the plugin can print. I chose an overdriven tone as I think that's where other models can start lacking a bit of depth.
DISCLAIMER: both channels went through some bus compression and loudness maximiser (LoudMax) and although it does flatten their original differences, I think there's a couple of points for that: first, the "louder is better" perception is less likely to happen when listening to the files. Second, there is a degree of post-processing and compression usually happening during mixing, so that's what's likely to happen to recorded tracks anyway.

Let me know what you think, vote in the poll and add any further comment as post. I will reveal the answer later :cool:
I'll also mask the public poll results to avoid possible bias :laugh:
It'd be nice if you also comment which one you prefer, regardless of what you think it is, and what to you sounds closer to standing in front of an Ampeg fridge, if you have enough experience (@JimmyM - sorry for mentioning you every time, but I think you know a few things on that :) )

BONUS TRACK: this is the sum of both channels inverting one of the two phases:



Pretty killer! Although it might be a bit too scooped when listened in a in the mix if used by itself. But that punch is really something else!
 
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Either way, Id be curious how you set your VT Bass! Did you use some sort of cab sim?

This is the preset:
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I didn't use IRs with the VT BASS. On the deluxe their cab SIM response is always on btw.

The subsequent stacked compressors and maximiser might also affect the perception.
 
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Voted the B clip, as it got fewer hi-freq content than the A one, which is often the case with cab sim/direct signal comparison. But seems the cab sim always on the VT Bass, so it could be either one, there are so many EQ and cab options with the PA plugin... Point is mixing a direct clean signal (no cab sim), with DI as reference, and PA's SVT to taste, is a nice way to get some serious recording bass tones. Their B-15 plugin is pretty killer too !
 
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I've never heard the plugin but I do own a modded V1 VT Bass. I'm thinking VT is A and plugin is B. A has more clank than B and that is one thing the VT has a lot of and why they added a Bite switch to the DI. (Mine is modded with a "Bite knob" to dial in the amount of clank I want.)
 
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Right, it's getting late here and rather than holding it until tomorrow morning while it's dead night in most of the US, I'll post the answer now, so that people West (and East) of here can comment later on:

The question was about WHICH CLIP IS THE DIGITAL PLUGIN:
as of now, there are 8 votes (44.4%) for CLIP A and 10 votes (55.6%) for CLIP B, so it looks like there's a fairly narrow margin and Clip B is ahead. BUT...

... because I kept the poll results hidden and it looks like I could not have access to them myself unless I voted too, one of the votes for Clip B is mine! :smug: So at 8:9 it's almost a tie...
... and since I actually knew what I was voting and did not cheat, well, Clip A is indeed the VT BASS and Clip B is the Brainworx VST PLUGIN :thumbsup:

I dont have the VT Bass but I did get the Ampeg plug from PA and messed with it a bit. I like it! As for this poll, I'll reserve my comments so as not to spoil the fun. :D

I'm very familiar with the VT, but I too will reverse my comment.

You can all fire away now, like everyone else! @Correlli was your guess right and did you spot the familiarity or any VT peculiarity straight away then?

Voted the B clip, as it got fewer hi-freq content than the A one, which is often the case with cab sim/direct signal comparison. But seems the cab sim always on the VT Bass, so it could be either one, there are so many EQ and cab options with the PA plugin... Point is mixing a direct clean signal (no cab sim), with DI as reference, and PA's SVT to taste, is a nice way to get some serious recording bass tones. Their B-15 plugin is pretty killer too !

The guess was correct, although it looks like both were very passable as plausible guess.

I've never heard the plugin but I do own a modded V1 VT Bass. I'm thinking VT is A and plugin is B. A has more clank than B and that is one thing the VT has a lot of and why they added a Bite switch to the DI. (Mine is modded with a "Bite knob" to dial in the amount of clank I want.)

Correct too, coming from the other perspective.

Please let me know what you think, I'm curious
 
Got it coach I also voted B (non VT) and glad to see the results. Been using the VT bass so long now glad I can distinguish it from other effects.

What was the giveaway for you?

This is the screen print of the plugin in my DAW, setting-wise:

Ampeg Brainworx.jpg


I posted a photo of my VT BASS settings used earlier on.

As before, and probably even more so with the plugin, the input gain, instrument output and signal strength of the DI from the interface are all interdependent and influence the overdrive qualities of the tone.

P.S. If the mic used to capture the IR is a tube Neumann CMV-563 as I guess by the IR name, I just had a look at how much it costs :jawdrop:
 
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What was the giveaway for you?

This is the screen print of the plugin in my DAW, setting-wise:

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I posted a photo of my VT BASS settings used earlier on.

As before, and probably even more so with the plugin, the input gain, instrument output and signal strength of the DI from the interface are all interdependent and influence the overdrive qualities of the tone.

It was the combination of the Drive+Character settings. The "grunt" was the noticeable sound to my ears.
 
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It was the combination of the Drive+Character settings. The "grunt" was the noticeable sound to my ears.

It's no secret that the VT BASS has more "musical drive" on tap than the emulation of how a VR head (with no gain) behaves. Granted, you can push the input gain way higher in the plug-in, but to my ears it starts kinda clip or behave a bit less musically beyond a certain level, so you might want to use an od before instead. I've not used that plugin a lot, TBH, so I might be wrong or get a different opinion later on. It's still one of the most musical digital models of a SVT I tried so far.
Does anyone here have any experience with the model in the Helix or a Kemper profile, to compare? Problem with the Kemper (I guess) is that you have to profile the break-up while effectively braking up the real thing.
 
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