Reality Check

I am fairly new to Talkbass and this is my first Post. I am 48 years young, and just started playing the bass 8 months ago. My son is 16 and plays guitar and piano, and I mainly started just to play along with him. I greatly enjoy playing and learning about music with my son, but I have also developed a love for the bass on my own. I had very little previous music experience. I play every chance I get sometimes 2-3 hours a day. I take lessons once a week and I have a very good instructor. I started playing in a band about 4 months ago, and my playing has improved rapidly by playing with other musicians. The band also should begin playing out very soon. On top of all that I am constantly watching instructional videos, and read about music theory, scales, chords, etc (in many cases on this forum). I work as a law enforcement officer and will be able to fully retire at the fairly young age of 55. I am in very good physical condition. My children are all 16 or older and should be mostly self sufficient by the time I retire. I will also have my house paid off by then. The questions I have are 1) Would it be realistic for someone who began playing the bass as late as I did to ever make any kind of substantial money playing the bass? Keeping in mind I would mainly be interested in just supplementing my retirement income. 2) If it is possible, what are the main things I should be doing and working on over the next few years, and what advice would you give me to get to that point? and 3) Am I crazy? I have already learned a great deal from reading through these forums and I look forward to your responses. Also, never mind answering the last question I think I already know the answer.
 
Welcome! And OK, I'll take a shot:
1) Define "substantial money". :) Supplement, sure. But only if your band gets good and there are good paying gigs available in your area.
2) Sounds like you're on the right track. Are the folks you're playing with all reasonably committed to improving and playing for money? If not, trouble ahead.
3) Sure, you're crazy, we all are. But you knew that already. :D Perfectly reasonably to look at music as a retirement avocation / maybe income supplement, but don't plan on getting rich and famous off it.
 
You could pull in about a hundred bucks per bar gig. That's about standard. You'll get more in a wedding band.

Other than that you're doing everything right. Just learn as many songs as you can. Top 40 stuff. Bar stuff. Your standard margaritavilles and twist and shouts and what not.
I'd say learning songs is secondary to learning theory that'll teach you to play any song they throw at you. But both in parallel is what normally happens naturally. :)
 
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I've been gigging for 30 years, and make no more per gig than I did then.

Best thing you can do is learn as many different styles as possible, learn to sight read music, and learn some keyboards. Make the right contacts, and you can get regular gigs. It may not be the kind of music you want all the time, but it's possible. But don't hold your breath.
 
Welcome! And OK, I'll take a shot:
1) Define "substantial money". :) Supplement, sure. But only if your band gets good and there are good paying gigs available in your area.
2) Sounds like you're on the right track. Are the folks you're playing with all reasonably committed to improving and playing for money? If not, trouble ahead.
3) Sure, you're crazy, we all are. But you knew that already. :D Perfectly reasonably to look at music as a retirement avocation / maybe income supplement, but don't plan on getting rich and famous off it.

1)I am only talking about making $500 to $1000 a month. 2)Yes, The band I am in consists of musicians in my age group that are all better musicians than I am. We would have been playing out sooner but we have had trouble finding a good singer. 3) Yes I realize that rich and famous are not in my future. I would be good with comfortable and locally known. Thanks for the response.
 
Take a look at Basscliff's thread with the poll on the number of gigs members got in the past year (And remember that if anything, people are going to be inflating their numbers). I also don't know what the local scene is like where you are.

It's all about marketing. Some people are amazing at hustling gigs - it's the toughest and most boring part of this, but the most important.
 
1)I am only talking about making $500 to $1000 a month. 2)Yes, The band I am in consists of musicians in my age group that are all better musicians than I am. We would have been playing out sooner but we have had trouble finding a good singer. 3) Yes I realize that rich and famous are not in my future. I would be good with comfortable and locally known. Thanks for the response.
You're on the right track then. Go for it! :thumbsup::bassist:
 
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I've been gigging for 30 years, and make no more per gig than I did then.

Best thing you can do is learn as many different styles as possible, learn to sight read music, and learn some keyboards. Make the right contacts, and you can get regular gigs. It may not be the kind of music you want all the time, but it's possible. But don't hold your breath.

I actually considered working on keys once I get more comfortable with the bass. Thanks for the response.
 
Money, very little, I doubt you getting to $1,000 per month any time soon. Very few make a living out of their music. Most "good ole boy" musicians have a day job to feed the family. Your band will have to build a name for itself before gigs start falling your way. Lot of free stuff out there, and there is a need for early afternoon entertainment, and being retired you have a leg up on most of the competition, but again, not a lot of money. Time you divide it all up $100 per gig is about the going rate. Do the math....
 
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Money, very little, I doubt you getting to $1,000 per month any time soon. Very few make a living out of their music. Most "good ole boy" musicians have a day job to feed the family. Your band will have to build a name for itself before gigs start falling your way. Lot of free stuff out there, and there is a need for early afternoon entertainment, and being retired you have a leg up on most of the competition, but again, not a lot of money. Time you divide it all up $100 per gig is about the going rate. Do the math....

I guess my real question is with such a late start in life, but with about 8 years to sharpen skills, and the financial freedom and time to fully commit once retired, Is it possible to move beyond " good ole boy" or "weekend warrior" status into "pro musician" or "semi pro" status? If so, what would be most important things to work on and skills to acquire?
 
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I guess my real question is with such a late start in life, but with about 8 years to sharpen skills, and the financial freedom and time to fully commit once retired, Is it possible to move beyond " good ole boy" or "weekend warrior" status into "pro musician" or "semi pro" status? If so, what would be most important things to work on and skills to acquire?
Late start - I got into music when I retired at 65. I've just dropped out of that band at 82. Can no longer form the chord patterns with my left hand. But I had 17 years with them. You are not too old to start. Kids pick it up faster, but, you now have the time.

Going from "good ole boy" to "pro musician" depends on the band you are with. If they get the gigs you'll grow with them. To your question about what to work on. The band's songs. The Country band I was with had, counting Gospel and Christmas selections, over 200 songs in the gig book of which we played the same 70 over and over -- and over :bassist: throwing in a new one every month or so to keep it fun.

Go for it. If the band is entertaining you'll get gigs, if not....... If it's a money thing, being a greater at WalMart will probably pay more.
 
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I guess my real question is with such a late start in life, but with about 8 years to sharpen skills, and the financial freedom and time to fully commit once retired, Is it possible to move beyond " good ole boy" or "weekend warrior" status into "pro musician" or "semi pro" status? If so, what would be most important things to work on and skills to acquire?
Not likely. There are too many factors that have to line up and so few openings at that level.
 
Late start doesn't matter - practice a lot. Learn as many common songs as you can. If you want to earn the most money, you're looking more. At private parties, corporate gigs, weddings, etc. You *can* make good money in that area - its just maybe one of the least fun types of bands. Its serious work with serious pay. Your family can't "woohoo" from in front of the stage.

Once you are retired, if you can travel a bit too for out of town gigs, you'll have time to do those private gigs that pay the best. Until then, weekend bar bands. Try to get a following and then book private gigs. But the whole band has to be on the same page.

Good luck!
 
I believe you are visiting "the Pink Cloud" or "the Honeymoon"... it's a very pleasant feeling to be sure. However, 7 years goes by fairly quickly (& faster as you get older)... I'd wait it out for a while... if you get your shot, & you feel good... take it. I'm just suggesting expectations vs. reality rarely work out well... (IMO)
 
Yes, you can make however much you want to make.
I played guitar for 7 years with no gigs, switched to bass and in a year was pulling 2-300 every Friday.
Couple of factors
1. Be the best, that is how you get in a good money band, you got 7 years...plenty of time
2. Don't accept a half butt band. If you are solid then you are gonna be in demand. Good bassists and drummers are always in demand.
3. Go ahead and start learning standards now as they apply for whatever region you are in
4. Go out and be the next Vic Wooten...by being yourself
I'm excited for you man!
 
Welcome to talkbass!

I share your profession and have been playing for 25 years. I play in one band about 3 to 6 days a month and make 350 - 600 on average. That being said, if I was retired and picked up another project I don't think 1000 a month would be out of the question. I turn down gigs now because of my job and conflicting schedules.

As long as your band has steady paying gigs it is possible. We have a residency at one venue and play other gigs as they present themselves. You would be a very busy man between practice, rehearsal, and 10 - 15 gigs a month to make it happen. However, it is possible.

Be safe!
 
I am fairly new to Talkbass and this is my first Post. I am 48 years young, and just started playing the bass 8 months ago. My son is 16 and plays guitar and piano, and I mainly started just to play along with him. I greatly enjoy playing and learning about music with my son, but I have also developed a love for the bass on my own. I had very little previous music experience. I play every chance I get sometimes 2-3 hours a day. I take lessons once a week and I have a very good instructor. I started playing in a band about 4 months ago, and my playing has improved rapidly by playing with other musicians. The band also should begin playing out very soon. On top of all that I am constantly watching instructional videos, and read about music theory, scales, chords, etc (in many cases on this forum). I work as a law enforcement officer and will be able to fully retire at the fairly young age of 55. I am in very good physical condition. My children are all 16 or older and should be mostly self sufficient by the time I retire. I will also have my house paid off by then. The questions I have are 1) Would it be realistic for someone who began playing the bass as late as I did to ever make any kind of substantial money playing the bass? Keeping in mind I would mainly be interested in just supplementing my retirement income. 2) If it is possible, what are the main things I should be doing and working on over the next few years, and what advice would you give me to get to that point? and 3) Am I crazy? I have already learned a great deal from reading through these forums and I look forward to your responses. Also, never mind answering the last question I think I already know the answer.

First of all, welcome to TB and to bass! No you're not crazy, to answer the last question first.

For the other questions; music is not an easy business to make much money in, especially if you're getting into it late in life. There are some guys around TB who actually pay their rent playing, but most of us are weekend warriors at most. Having said that, it's not unrealistic to aim to get into a regularly-gigging bar band and bring home $100 a night or so. Depending on where you are and how far you have to drive to gigs, that might really be a net of $80 or 90 after counting for gas and such. If the band is busy and gigging half a dozen times a month, that can add up into a nice bonus (by my standards, anyway), but not enough to live on, obviously.

The main problem with relying on that is that bands are fragile things. Sometimes they just can't market themselves effectively. Sometimes personalities clash or drama arises and the whole thing implodes. The Band Management forums here at TB are full of cautionary tales, angry vents, and good advice on these issues. I played in a classic rock band for a couple of years where we were gigging almost every weekend; then one day, out of the blue, they up and fired me, because their old bassist (that I replaced) became available again and they decided they wanted their buddy back in the band. It happens.

The guys who do make good money (better than $100 a gig) are typically in the wedding/corporate function bands. Those slots are not too easy to come by, as there are not nearly as many of them as there are casual garage bands, and the slots in them are usually pretty coveted and go to people with strong skills and presentation, comfortable switching from jazz to pop to country. It's not impossible that you could get a chance to get into one, though.

As far as things to work on - music theory is a big boost. Lots of people don't know it, or not very well, but being able to identify the basics of what key a song is in and what notes go with which chord will hugely speed up your ability to pick up new music and expand your repertoire. That means scales and chords.

Train your ear, practice learning songs and playing along by listening to them rather than having to consult a TAB. Learning to read music is a useful skill - most bar bands don't use sheet music, but you might find yourself having an opportunity to play in a pit orchestra or a church or a recording session where you would need it.

There's also the issue of just chops - Joaquin des Pres' book "Bass fitness" has a lot of exercises for building up speed and accuracy. At the same time, think about musicality - remember that just because you CAN play lots of notes fast doesn't mean you SHOULD.

Try and learn the three major playing techniques - fingers, pick and slap. It's OK if you're better at one than the others (I utterly suck at slap), but the more you can do - the more you can do.

And learn songs! That's what all this is for, right? Learning your favorite music is a huge amount of fun. If you're aiming to be a working bassist, you should also build up a repertoire of popular favorites. If you Google the DJs' lists of most requested songs from last year, that's a great way to find out what people want to listen to out there (which is often not the same thing as what musicians want to play).

Have fun and good luck!