Double Bass reoccurring popped seam

Hey folks,

Long, long time, no speak.

I have a bass. I love this bass. Unless I come into some sort of lottery prize and become magnificently wealthy, it's my forever bass. I commissioned it in 2013, so it's 7 years old.

My bass has a problem. The back seam on the lower bout between the end block and the corner block chronically pops open, and not a small amount, either. The gap is often open close to a centimetre wide between the rib and the back.

It's done this basically since the year I bought it, and I've had it reglued several times, until at a certain point I got sick of it and just left it open for a few years because it didn't seem to affect performance and I was too poor to invest serious money into fixing it. Over the pandemic, I had the time, hide glue, and bass clamps, so I made my own attempt at regluing it, which was successful ... until we had a big humidity drop this winter and it popped open again.

My question is, with the gap as wide open as it gets (like, it doesn't make a buzzing sound because the bits down vibrate together - they're too far from each other), is glue alone the right solution, or should I look into adding a piece to help fill this gap somehow? The gap doesn't shrink immensely in high humidity, meaning it's always there, so maybe something that spans half the width of the gap? That way when it does have dryness pulling it apart it's got half a chance to stay together.

My preference, of course, would be to have a luthier do this, but I want to run this idea past some people in the know first so that I can go armed with some knowledge to the luthier I'd ask to do the work.

Thanks for any insight you can give. If you want or need pictures I can get some tomorrow morning - it's pretty dark at this point today.
 
Here's some decent photos of the seam in question:

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Yikes. Best I can tell from those photos is that there is *a lot* of mechanical tension between the back and ribs, causing them to repeatedly pull apart from each other.

Most likely the builder will have to disassemble the bass and figure out a way to refit it without tension, or you’ll be repeatedly fighting this battle forever.
 
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If you are intent on tackling this yourself, maybe open up the back across the whole bottom. Let it sit for a few days and see what it does. Maybe the ribs are pushing the back, and this might relieve the stress. If nothing changes, your idea of adding a strip of wood might be the most practical option.
 
I have a bass that did this. Even popped once during a concert. I believe it was due to the bracing on the back. It is a flatback bass, which yours appears to be, and the back is very thin and flexible. On my bass the brace and the wood of the back were fighting each other and the brace won because it was much more substantial than the thickness of the back. When the brace moved it pulled the back with it and "pop". We aren't that dry here in SC, but it does get down pretty low humidity in the winter at times.

I pulled the back off and just finished putting Matthew Tucker's Responsive Bracing System on the back and then I'll put the back on. We'll see if that will make any difference. I think that it will.

What Robobass and Kungfu mentioned are legit. Also, the advice that carl h. mentioned is good. I'm sure your builder would be glad to try to sort it out, especially if it is a bracing/build issue...

Good luck,
BG
 
Agreed, but for some reason that seems to not be an option. The OP says he has been having this problem from the beginning, so it is likely that he has been back to the maker before. It's fortunately rare, but it is a sad fact that there are people in this world who do not stand behind their work.

I'll likely contact the makers and see if we can sort something out. This has been a long-standing issue but I've never really been able to get back to them to have them look at it - whether it be time, or money restrictions for travel.

The biggest issue is that the maker is in the US and I'm in Canada. Even when there wasn't a pandemic going on, I'm just not super comfortable crossing the border anymore. One of the many difficulties in being a transgender person is that not all my paperwork currently lines up - My drivers license has my corrected gender, but my passport does not - the process is different, and has some costs associated with it. Until those two are aligned, I don't want to make a border crossing and have to spend half an hour explaining my life to Border Services.

My pronouns are she/her, just to clarify.
 
Your concerns are absolutely justified, unfortunately, and cross-border travel is highly inadvisable at the moment. We’re doing a terrible job of managing this.

How humid to you keep your living space during the cold weather months? I once took in trade the wreck of a disastrous flatback whose prior owner did not humidify at all, allowing one of the braces to warp so badly you could fit your hand into the back/rib seam.

If it’s as simple as a warped brace, the back can come off in a local shop and be replaced with the Tucker system. I’d ask the maker to split the cost with you.