String Journey - roundwound lover looking for a flat

I've been on a string journey with my defretted SBMM short scale Stingray. My string of choice has been the Stringjoy roundwound but the fingerboard on the SBMM looked as if the roundwounds were going to do a number on it pretty quickly. So I started down the flatwound rabbithole. Remember that a lot of flats are not available in short scale and that gauges are generally limited as well. I think Cobalts would have been high on my lst but are not available.

My first choice was a set of D'Addario Chromes. There is an authority in the lower register that I really like and they seemed to sit well in the mix. For me, the tension was too high and the strings were too stiff. I wanted to like that string.

Next I went to Labella Low Tensions. Again, there was a richness in the lowest register that was very cool. Different than the Chromes but very cool. They are so smooth. Slides and side to side vibrato is soooooo easy. On these the tension felt a little floppy, especially on the higher strings. They upper registers were not as cool as the lower registers.

A friend passed on a set of Dunlop flats... turned out the set is for medium scale. Someone had given him the strings and it looked as if twice they belonged to someone who was hoping they would work only to find out they were the wrong length. When I looked at the E string it was obvious that the tape would wind around the tuning machine post so I didn't even try installing them. Bummer. I'd read good things about this string.

A few people recommended Labella Black Tapewounds. Labella says the whites are brighter so I decided to try them first.

I put the Labella white tapes on yesterday. My first impression is that they are keepers.

I've read from some folk that they are a bit tacky at first. I don't feel that. They are a larger gauge. My understanding is that they use a regular gauge - roughly 45-105 - and then wrap it with the tape so they are pretty fat - 60-115. That takes some getting used to. Tension is what would be expected for the underneath gauge string. They are very smooth feeling. In long scale, Labella does make a thinner gauge but they are not available for short scales.

Sound: For this string the interior string is a stainless steel roundwound. Normally I hear those strings as harsh or at least overly bright. The tape tones that down and you end up with a string that sounds pretty much like roundwounds that have been on the bass for a few months. Pretty much exactly what I was hoping for.

Labella makes 4 formulas of tape wounds - black (darkest sounding, nickel roundwound interior string?), copper (I understand the interior is phosphor bronze roundwound), gold (?), and white (the brightest, stainless steel). Only the black and white are available for short scales. Other companies use various different string formulas underneath their tape so these observations likely don't apply to all tapewounds. FWIW, the white tape is not actually white. It is clear.

My other strings will be going up for sale in a few days so if you're interested, watch the classifieds.
 
A friend passed on a set of Dunlop flats... turned out the set is for medium scale. Someone had given him the strings and it looked as if twice they belonged to someone who was hoping they would work only to find out they were the wrong length. When I looked at the E string it was obvious that the tape would wind around the tuning machine post so I didn't even try installing them. Bummer. I'd read good things about this string.

Too bad the Dunlop Flats didn't quite work out for you. I've read so many good things about them I'm seriously considering trying a set on my Fender P bass.

I don't own a short scale, but if I did, my choice would be between the GHS Balanced Nickels 44-106 and the Dunlop Flats 45-105. The BNs, being pure nickel, are easier on the frets and they're specifically designed for balanced tone and tension on a short scale. Just ask @iiipopes ... ;)

By the way, the "medium scale" Dunlop Flats would have done okay as the thin core wire makes them pliable enough to wrap around the tuner post without breaking.
 
  • Like
Reactions: revroy and iiipopes
Can you find a lighter gauge Chrome in SS? I used their lightest LS string and it was indistinguishable from most rounds tension wise. Really nice string for those of us who are RW lovers.
 
Too bad the Dunlop Flats didn't quite work out for you. I've read so many good things about them I'm seriously considering trying a set on my Fender P bass.

I don't own a short scale, but if I did, my choice would be between the GHS Balanced Nickels 44-106 and the Dunlop Flats 45-105. The BNs, being pure nickel, are easier on the frets and they're specifically designed for balanced tone and tension on a short scale. Just ask @iiipopes ... ;)

By the way, the "medium scale" Dunlop Flats would have done okay as the thin core wire makes them pliable enough to wrap around the tuner post without breaking.

I may try the BN's on my fretted EBMM short scale Stingray one of these days. The bass in my journey is defretted and the "rosewood" fretboard is extremely soft. My gut says any roundwound would make a mess of it in short order... hence my journey into flatwound world.

I put the strings up in the classifieds and the Dunlops went in minutes.
 
I believe the golds are actually 80/20 brass.
Technically 80/20 is brass but in the acoustic guitar string world it is referred to as "80/20 bronze."
I think you're right now that I think about it. Thanks for the clarification.
Yup. Bronze proper is copper+tin, whereas brass (including what goes on acoustic guitar strings) is copper+zinc. Someone at a certain point must have thought calling strings "bronze" sounded more martial/classically ancient/whatever.
La Bella Copper and Gold tapes probably only have the outer winding (as in, the outermost metal part of the string, right under the nylon) made of their namesake* metals: the intermediate winding(s) is/are likely to be stainless steel, so as to help the core with being sensed by magnetic pickups.


* [uhm, EDIT: of course, here "Gold" = "Golden Alloy", i.e. brass, not gold-gold)
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: revroy
I went through the process of finding the perfect flat wounds many years ago. I tried a bunch of different brands and found a couple that were okay, but never exactly what I wanted. Then, I tried Thomastik-Infeld Jazz Flats and my search was over. In the opinion of me and lots of others, Jazz Flats are simply the best (read the reviews yourself).
Yes - - they cost somewhat more than other brands, BUT - since they last for years and years, they're actually very cost-effective. Some people say they last for 7 or 8 years, but I change mine after 5 just because I got bored and need to clean the neck and frets of the instrument.
I have them on several of my basses (including ones I wasn't planning on putting them on) and they work great on anything and everything.
 
  • Like
Reactions: revroy
I've been on a string journey with my defretted SBMM short scale Stingray.
You don't want a lighter gauge for a short scale bass. The strings will flop, intonation will wobble, and everything will be just generally bad. This is especially true for TI's. La Bella White Tapes in the regular gauge, 60-115, are a good choice because they are essentially a set of 45-100 underneath the nylon wrap, so they have reasonable tension and stability. You should get your nut recut for the larger diameter strings if you stay with this set so they don't bind and cause tuning issues.

I actually recommend from experience two sets:
1) If you really want flats, La Bella flats 760-FLS 43-104 will give you the true flatwound tone, although the E string will tend to go thumpy a little sooner than the rest of the set; and
2) God's gift to short scale bass players: GHS Balanced Pure Nickels. They have a big, round tone. Yes, they are a round wound, but read on: they are consistent from string-to-string and up the neck; they don't twang or thump; they are reasonably priced; they don't go floppy; the intonation is stable and secure; and they last a long, long time. I'm on the same set I put on my short scale travel bass last year for my band's annual trip to Mexico, two years in a row, no string changes. They are mellowing to that woody vibe we all desire in a good flat. The pure nickel is softer than nickel plated steel or stainless steel, which should show less wear on the fret board.
 
Last edited:
Just for clarification, what I think I read above is that you are wanting a flat mostly because you are concerned about fretboard wear on a fretless? Is that a fair summary?

Reason I ask is I would actually recommend going with a coated round or maybe a pressurewound of some kind instead, unless you are aware of the flatwound sound and are cool with that. I love the way flats feel, how consistent they can be once broken in and how relatively "maintenance free" they can be. But I often found myself wanting that roundwound tone, which flats, even the Cobalts, in my opinion just don't do. I guess what I am saying is that if I had the roundwound tone expectation in my head I would maybe try Elixirs or GHS Pressurewound or something like that first. It will help with wear and will be closer to a sound that you might expect. Maybe the question I would consider is this "what are my tonal goals for my fretless? Jaco? Upright bass?" Let that answer guide you.

If I am barking up the wrong tree, please feel free to ignore this post. If you are set on flats, then I'd probably go with the Cobalt or TI recommendation above.

Also, for disclosure sake: I have hated every tapewound I have ever played. I understand "hate" is a strong word, but I am using it on purpose. There are a lot of gear items that don't meet my preferences, but tapewounds are in the "never again" category. I have used DR Black Beauties and multiple La Bella offerings and have always regretted it. I am not trying to talk you out of them - this is one dude on the internet's opinion - revealing my bias. We all have different tonal goals and one person's trash is another's treasure. Best of luck!!!
 
Just for clarification, what I think I read above is that you are wanting a flat mostly because you are concerned about fretboard wear on a fretless? Is that a fair summary?

Reason I ask is I would actually recommend going with a coated round or maybe a pressurewound of some kind instead, unless you are aware of the flatwound sound and are cool with that. I love the way flats feel, how consistent they can be once broken in and how relatively "maintenance free" they can be. But I often found myself wanting that roundwound tone, which flats, even the Cobalts, in my opinion just don't do. I guess what I am saying is that if I had the roundwound tone expectation in my head I would maybe try Elixirs or GHS Pressurewound or something like that first. It will help with wear and will be closer to a sound that you might expect. Maybe the question I would consider is this "what are my tonal goals for my fretless? Jaco? Upright bass?" Let that answer guide you.

If I am barking up the wrong tree, please feel free to ignore this post. If you are set on flats, then I'd probably go with the Cobalt or TI recommendation above.

Also, for disclosure sake: I have hated every tapewound I have ever played. I understand "hate" is a strong word, but I am using it on purpose. There are a lot of gear items that don't meet my preferences, but tapewounds are in the "never again" category. I have used DR Black Beauties and multiple La Bella offerings and have always regretted it. I am not trying to talk you out of them - this is one dude on the internet's opinion - revealing my bias. We all have different tonal goals and one person's trash is another's treasure. Best of luck!!!

You’re pretty much on target Dan. The genesis of the journey is fingerboard damage and not a tonal quest. My sense is that the wood that SBMM used is not of the highest quality and just a few days of playing with nickel coated roundwounds started to mark the fingerboard. Of course, the backup plan, which may become the only real option for me, is to have the fingerboard coated. And that is still a possibility. Of course, the issue of short scale, which is all I play these days, radically limits my options. The Cobalts, for example are not available in short scale.

Hate may be too strong a word for my feelings, but it is close. I too have never played a flatwound that I loved and “flatwound” is not a sound that I look for in a string even though there are some attributes of that tonal profile that I like and I do like the smooth feel especially for glissandos and vibrato on my fretless.

As for TI’s, I had a set on a P bass at one point and they weren’t my cup of tea either. I guess that is pretty much proof that I am not a flatwound type of person :laugh:

I’ve had the Labella white tapes on for two days at this point and have played them for 3 or 4 hours. So far I like them. I don’t love them but so far I like them. My tech remarked that they sound like “mature” roundwounds. Maybe. They certainly don’t sound like traditional roundwounds. Nor do they sound like the D’Addario black tapes I had on an a Furch ABG. We’ll see after a bit. The option of getting the fingerboard coated and going back to rounds is always on the table. I don’t think I’m trying any other tapes or flats at this point.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Dan_reeves
Hate may be too strong a word for my feelings, but it is close. I too have never played a flatwound that I loved and “flatwound” is not a sound that I look for in a string even though there are some attributes of that tonal profile that I like and I do like the smooth feel especially for glissandos and vibrato on my fretless.

Based on what you're saying, I would second the recommendation by @Dan_reeves above for the GHS Pressurewounds. Plenty of the roundwound tone you want, but with a smoother, less abrasive surface texture than typical rounds due to the "rollerwound" outer wrap, meaning the outer round wire is compressed into an oval shape. Also, the nickel-iron alloy (aka Alloy 52) used for the outer wrap is softer than nickel-plated steel.

https://www.ghsstrings.com/products?categories=pressurewoundtm

GHS Pressurewound Nickel-Iron Bass Strings Short Scale - 4-String 40-096 7700