Trouble deciding a cab suited for my needs/sound

[Fushigi-kun]

So, I'm looking for buying a new cab
Currently I'm rigging an Orange Terror Bass 500 (500W hybrid) into a Trace Elliot 1048H (800W 410+tw+reflex)

My basic sound is focused just between lowmids and mids, not too many lowmids, bit more bass, everything above mids rolled off. Then a truckload of pedals to blast some heavy tones. When engaging pedals, my sound focus changes (I like my fuzz to have a well-defined high end, for example)

The sounds I'm getting are ridiculous, I'm loving it, but boy, that Trace cab is a total backbreaker...
Considering the band's practise room is my basement, hauling that monster up and down the narrow stairs is slavework (my back aches already when I think about it)

Live venues are mostly cafés/bars and small stages, PA/mains/monitors are available pretty much all the time. Now I'm not that knowledgable on PAs and stuff. I guess that if they mic out my cab, the signal going into the mixing board will mostly be the sound coming directly from my cab's speaker, right?

So I'm looking for a new cab
Demands:
- I need 10" speakers
- Not too big (important)
- Not too heavy
- 500W or more
- either 4 or 8Ω

Budget isn't much of a problem, trying to stay <€700 though ($800 I think?)
So, I'm digging 10"s for their punch, aggressiveness and responsiveness. Usually, I don't like anything bigger than 10" for MY sound. My current 410 (with bass reflex) gives me plenty of punch and low end. I'm looking for something which can handle 500W, punch some faces, boom some low end and yet be portable and not space-consuming


I've looked at the TC Electronic BC410 (500W 410+tw). It's pretty lightweight, but still kinda big (this really is an issue)

I was thinking 210's perhaps? I know I will lose volume, but I'm too loud already so that doesn't matter
I'm afraid that 210 will lose me that precious low end, or that it cannot handle my low end focused dynamic playing and sound... The Orange OBC210 is exactly what I'm looking for, apart from the hideous aesthetic and the shortage of Watts. OBC210 mini also lacks Watts and doesn't have side handlebars. I'm considering the OBC212, but I'm not that keen on 12"
Are there any other 210's with bass reflex? Or that small?


Is there ANYthing out there that might suit (most of) my demands?

I'm lost in the jungle, kinda stuck where I am. Need some outsider visions and suggestions coming from people other than myself
Also mistakes in logic I've made, or any ignorance on my behalf, things I should know, rookie mistakes, please point it out! I'm open for ideas

I know I'm being specific, but that's mostly to describe what my ideal cab would be. It doesn't mean that cabs get ruled out if one or more demands aren't met. Anything that comes to mind, please comment!

 

[klokker]

I think that limiting yourself to 10" speakers is illogical. You DON"T need them to get the sound you want. You're way overkill with a 410 for your needs, so you're on the right track in looking for something a little more practical and light. The OCB 210 is rated at 600 watts which is no shortage of watts for what you have. If you like it, that would be a great choice.

More: I just can't imaging why you wouldn't like 12's. I run a 212 that weighs 50 pounds in band with a loud horn section. We play LOUD and it never breaks a sweat. Bergantino, Aguilar, Epiphani, Genzler all make kickass 12's that are light, plenty loud and lots of "musical depth".

Lots of nice reasonably light 115s out there that would be more than you need as well. For the sound you're looking for, they could fit right in.

There's a lot of ways to go.

 

[chris_b]

Check out Barefaced FOUR 10 cabs or their 212 cabs. Light, loud and huge sound.

Barefaced Bass - Four 10

 

[jbd5015]

sounds like you might want a cab built around some high quality speakers. barefaced would be a good place to look in your part of the world. Not sure what else is available from the boutique/custom brand route. fEARful/greenboy would be my next recommendation if you want loud, light and low.

Alot of their designs are more like PA style 3-way speakers that are incredibly transparent and have a much wider range than anything youll find from the big name brands.

If you want light, you want to reduce the amount of magnets, and 10's wont help. A well built 212 will pretty much blow the doors off any big brand 410 in every way. A 3-way cab will be very surprising to you, particularly a 15/6/1 configuration. A couple of those will usually be more than enough for anyone with the right power behind it.

I switched to 212s and 215s over any configuration of 410s. Not saying there arent good 410s out there, but ive never found one i could use and leave the EQ flat in a live situation making it not very musical...

 

[Fushigi-kun]

I think that limiting yourself to 10" speakers is illogical. You DON"T need them to get the sound you want. You're way overkill with a 410 for your needs, so you're on the right track in looking for something a little more practical and light. The OCB 210 is rated at 600 watts which is no shortage of watts for what you have. If you like it, that would be a great choice.

More: I just can't imaging why you wouldn't like 12's. I run a 212 that weighs 50 pounds in band with a loud horn section. We play LOUD and it never breaks a sweat. Bergantino, Aguilar, Epiphani, Genzler all make kickass 12's that are light, plenty loud and lots of "musical depth".

Lots of nice reasonably light 115s out there that would be more than you need as well. For the sound you're looking for, they could fit right in as well.

There's a lot of ways to go.

Thanks for the suggestions! Yeah I also thought of the OBC210, but it's discontinued and very hard to get where I live, forgot to mention that in the post
And ehh to each his own? I like 212 for other bassists, but it's just not my cup of tea. 12" (and especially 15") just don't give me the responsiveness I'm looking for, they're less aggressive, less 'right on there', if you know what I mean?

Check out Barefaced FOUR 10 cabs or their 212 cabs. Light, loud and huge sound.

Barefaced Bass - Four 10

Damn, that DOES sound good, thanks for the info! They get great reviews everywhere. Do you own one yourself? If yes, opinions?

 

[Fushigi-kun]

I think that limiting yourself to 10" speakers is illogical. You DON"T need them to get the sound you want. You're way overkill with a 410 for your needs, so you're on the right track in looking for something a little more practical and light. The OCB 210 is rated at 600 watts which is no shortage of watts for what you have. If you like it, that would be a great choice.

More: I just can't imaging why you wouldn't like 12's. I run a 212 that weighs 50 pounds in band with a loud horn section. We play LOUD and it never breaks a sweat. Bergantino, Aguilar, Epiphani, Genzler all make kickass 12's that are light, plenty loud and lots of "musical depth".

Lots of nice reasonably light 115s out there that would be more than you need as well. For the sound you're looking for, they could fit right in.

There's a lot of ways to go.

Or at least, that's how I experience it, it could be different for everyone of course

 

[Fushigi-kun]

I think that limiting yourself to 10" speakers is illogical. You DON"T need them to get the sound you want. You're way overkill with a 410 for your needs, so you're on the right track in looking for something a little more practical and light. The OCB 210 is rated at 600 watts which is no shortage of watts for what you have. If you like it, that would be a great choice.

More: I just can't imaging why you wouldn't like 12's. I run a 212 that weighs 50 pounds in band with a loud horn section. We play LOUD and it never breaks a sweat. Bergantino, Aguilar, Epiphani, Genzler all make kickass 12's that are light, plenty loud and lots of "musical depth".

Lots of nice reasonably light 115s out there that would be more than you need as well. For the sound you're looking for, they could fit right in.

There's a lot of ways to go.

Also regarding that OBC210, I'm messing things up here:
Some stores (including Sweetwater) say it's rated 300W, some say 600W... I'm not sure now on which it is, I can't find it on orangeamps.com... I don't what to do with this?

Furthermore what I meant was: I also thought of the SP210, but that one is hard to get where I live

Sorry for the mess-up!

 

[BogeyBass]

manufacturers use different wattage ratings but the actual overhead before distortion is fairly typical and same with most 2x10s
so don't let wattage ratings fool you.

likewise it's ok to be set on your ways and want a 10" driver for your sound. but the most common sealed cabs are 10" and would be a good reason to stick with them.

since you are using reflex or ported 10" cabs and praise the low end they give.

then your gonna find that a light neo. 2x12 is going supply more sensitivity and power handling and very much provide your sound especially with reflex/ ported and be a easier package to move.

 

[alexclaber]

manufacturers use different wattage ratings but the actual overhead before distortion is fairly typical and same with most 2x10s

Actually it varies quite a lot once you get away from generic cabs. A speaker with double the Xmax (excursion) will handle four times as much power before it distorts.