Tuning to Eb, Flatwounds, Tension, arthritis ect.....my journey.

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I have been playing for the better part of 35 years with much to little attention paid to the strings I used or the tension differences between strings. Over the past 15 or so years I have have been more acutely aware of these things as I have become a string junky thanks largely in part to TB. The majority of my energy has been tracking down different flatwound strings and seeing how I liked them on whatever the brand of basses that I happen to be gaga over at the time. Add to the equation that most of the bands I have played in the past 6 years have tuned down to Eb (mainly for singers who are aging... over 40). Since I have been tuning down I always have some basses tuned to E and others tuned to Eb because I do sub work and other gigs where people tune to standard pitch. Add to this the final part of the equation that I am a Type 1 Diabetic with neuropathy issues in my hands as well as the effects of arthritis and spinal stenosis. And finally.....age. And as I near 50 I realize that I am no longer an indestructible hard head who can ignore the signals his body is sending him.

With all that said, I have grown very accustomed to the feel of a bass tuned down a half step. I almost feel as though none of the previously mentioned ailments have any effect on my playing and can move around at will on most basses with a medium gauged string. For example I feel the LaBella 760FL's are my perfect string tone and feel wise when I comes to flats. I had to play a night last year with the same strings tuned to E and by the end of the night my hands were cramped to the point where I only was able to use one finger on each hand. Once I put LaBella LTF's on that bass, I never had any troubles. I have since found that most standard gauged rounds and flats need to be tuned to Eb. The struggle has become finding strings that I can handle tuned to E without going to dental floss gauges.

I have also discovered that tension and feel is a very VERY subjective thing. Last night I put a set of EB Group III flats on a bass tuned to E because I read many comments here on TB about the tension being lower than that of Chromes.... SO I thought Perfect...... a good flat that I can tune to E. Uh no..... I tried em out and there is no way I can tuned those bad boys to E... they felt like bridge cables.... tuned em down a half step and they were still rather tight, but manageable.... so for the time being that bass is now an Eb bass.

I am currently playing in one band that tunes to E and at my church they tune to E. So I say all of this to state that I really appreciate the input and opinions I find here on this forum. It is nice to get opinions and directions on what others experience with different brands of strings. I also have a lot of fun and enjoyment from taste testing and changing and researching strings. So my hands and my mind both appreciate all of you who contribute your input to something that many might find tedious and boring.
 
At this point I'm fully converted to playing detuned basses with medium or light strings. In part this comes from playing in rock/metal bands where the guitarists detune, but I don't know if I'll ever go back to standard tuning for general use either. The lower tension is far easier on my hands and forearms, which I've had some problems with, and it just feels and responds natural to me. The only time I ever have a bass tuned to standard tuning these days is if I'm really hitting theory hard and want to make it easier on myself since I know the note locations more readily in standard tuning. Otherwise something like DGCF with GHS medium boomers (45-105) gives me a great tone and feel, a couple of extra low notes, and no real disadvantages other than sometimes taking a second to remember a correct note location.
 
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I do indeed. I use those strings in that gauge on my Stingray tuned yo E even. The next gauge up I used on my Classic Stingray tuned to Eb. Good call!
i tune down to Eb Ab Db Gb as well. Use GHS precision 40 55 75 95 and they sound great. i love being able to hit a low Eb which is so prominent in soul and jazz music.
 
I just turned 60. I had bilateral carpal tunnel surgery in June 2016. I play in 3 bands currently. All bands are tuned to std. I have 2 basses strung with TI flats and the other 2 with the Labella LTF's. I have settled on those strings only for my playing pleasure and hand health. I do not have the tingling or pain from the CTS that's gone but I do find after 4 sets my hands are fatigued. Not sure if that's from the surgery or age. I think more or less age. It has started to come to my attention that one of the bands needs to go, I love playing but it's not worth my health. I recommend to switch over to the TI's or Labella LTF's on all basses. I play at church and have the LTF's on my jazz which is designated bass for that. We play average 7-9 songs for our service on Sundays. Good luck with what ever choice you make. yes getting old sux!
 
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Short scale? With same strings and everything else equal a 30" scale bass will feel like a 34" tuned a whole step down tensionwise. But ... with the higher tension of a 34" scale bass the action can be set a bit lower. So in the end the ease of playing might not differ that much. What am I trying to say? A good setup including the nut slots might do wonders :)
 
Add to this the final part of the equation that I am a Type 1 Diabetic with neuropathy issues in my hands as well as the effects of arthritis and spinal stenosis. And finally.....age. And as I near 50 I realize that I am no longer an indestructible hard head who can ignore the signals his body is sending him.

At age 60, I consider myself fortunate that the only health issue that has affected my bass playing to any degree are the four trigger release surgeries I've had in the last 16 months, the last one of which was just a week ago. The stitching will come out on Tue, then a couple of weeks of intense physio and rehab, I should be as good as new...well, almost... ;)

Now that I've gotten away from flats in recent months, I really haven't felt a real need for down-tuning or down-sizing of strings for the sake of reducing tension/stiffness so far, although admittedly I'm starting to become more and more aware of my limitations in terms of physical strength these days.

My current setup:

Fender 4-string J, GHS Pressurewound 44-102, tuned to E.
Fender 4-string P, GHS Balanced Nickels 40-101, tuned to E.
 
@armybass, been playing for 30yrs and just started feeling some arthritis. All good points on string tension. I use both LaBella FL760 and GHS Precision 95-45. If you only tune in E the GHS's are sweet and have a deeper chocolaty sound. It's been harder to play my 5 string lately.
 
Last night I put a set of EB Group III flats on a bass tuned to E because I read many comments here on TB about the tension being lower than that of Chromes.
But what gauges were they and what gauges were the Chromes?

Many string discussions on TB don't mention gauges because when someone writes 'this brand is low tension' they actually mean 'for a particular fixed set of gauges, this brand 'feels' lower tension' and they often confuse stiffness with tension.

The gauges are still the most important thing to consider when dealing with tension. Generally if you want lower tension you need to use smaller gauges, as you can see from the sets you like, both the TI flats and the LaBella LTF have small gauges.
 
I have been playing for the better part of 35 years with much to little attention paid to the strings I used or the tension differences between strings. Over the past 15 or so years I have have been more acutely aware of these things as I have become a string junky thanks largely in part to TB. The majority of my energy has been tracking down different flatwound strings and seeing how I liked them on whatever the brand of basses that I happen to be gaga over at the time. Add to the equation that most of the bands I have played in the past 6 years have tuned down to Eb (mainly for singers who are aging... over 40). Since I have been tuning down I always have some basses tuned to E and others tuned to Eb because I do sub work and other gigs where people tune to standard pitch. Add to this the final part of the equation that I am a Type 1 Diabetic with neuropathy issues in my hands as well as the effects of arthritis and spinal stenosis. And finally.....age. And as I near 50 I realize that I am no longer an indestructible hard head who can ignore the signals his body is sending him.

With all that said, I have grown very accustomed to the feel of a bass tuned down a half step. I almost feel as though none of the previously mentioned ailments have any effect on my playing and can move around at will on most basses with a medium gauged string. For example I feel the LaBella 760FL's are my perfect string tone and feel wise when I comes to flats. I had to play a night last year with the same strings tuned to E and by the end of the night my hands were cramped to the point where I only was able to use one finger on each hand. Once I put LaBella LTF's on that bass, I never had any troubles. I have since found that most standard gauged rounds and flats need to be tuned to Eb. The struggle has become finding strings that I can handle tuned to E without going to dental floss gauges.

I have also discovered that tension and feel is a very VERY subjective thing. Last night I put a set of EB Group III flats on a bass tuned to E because I read many comments here on TB about the tension being lower than that of Chromes.... SO I thought Perfect...... a good flat that I can tune to E. Uh no..... I tried em out and there is no way I can tuned those bad boys to E... they felt like bridge cables.... tuned em down a half step and they were still rather tight, but manageable.... so for the time being that bass is now an Eb bass.

I am currently playing in one band that tunes to E and at my church they tune to E. So I say all of this to state that I really appreciate the input and opinions I find here on this forum. It is nice to get opinions and directions on what others experience with different brands of strings. I also have a lot of fun and enjoyment from taste testing and changing and researching strings. So my hands and my mind both appreciate all of you who contribute your input to something that many might find tedious and boring.
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