Any true humbucking J pickups around?

The term true, later corrected to traditional, since that seemed slightly more fitting, was not aimed at the format Joe Barden or SGD pickups use in specific, but actually more a term I used to cover my definition of what kind of humbuckers I was searching for, aka "pickups that uses two coils run in serial connection under two parallel rows of polepieces or rails.".

I personally never once in this thread or elsewhere called Joe Barden or SGD pickups traditional, though I would still use the term traditional humbucker for the way they actually work, in lack of a better term to cover my definition.



I don't agree.

Someone did link to some pickups that fitted my definition perfectly, which means what I asked for does exist, even if seemingly rare.

And even if the answer showed not to be able to get me any closer to achieve what I wanted, something that was not even included in my original post, I still find technical and theoretical questions relevant, as in this situation where I simply asked of exiting examples of a specific pickup type.

You might not find that relevant or interesting information, but something should tell you that I do, since I asked the question, and that I would probably not be the only one either.

Don't see how people got so worked up about me asking a question without including a specific goal for what I wanted to use the answer, honestly.
No they don’t ... you want a SD soapbar humbucker occupying and to be installed within the volume of a jazz bass single coil because you like the tone of it ... this pickup is not manufactured as a standard nor you know whether it may be manufactured at all ... all pickups mentioned by other users are true humbucker pickups but they will not exhibit the tone you are looking for ... your thread was and clearly remains driven by a wrong or absent logic and I find the way you try to defend it (for the sake of what I don’t know) very amusing... that’s why I continue to reply :):D:laugh::smug::woot:
 
No they don’t ... you want a SD soapbar humbucker occupying and to be installed within the volume of a jazz bass single coil because you like the tone of it ... this pickup is not manufactured as a standard nor you know whether it may be manufactured at all ... all pickups mentioned by other users are true humbucker pickups but they will not exhibit the tone you are looking for ... your thread was and clearly remains driven by a wrong or absent logic and I find the way you try to defend it (for the sake of what I don’t know) very amusing... that’s why I continue to reply :):D:laugh::smug::woot:

......Great!...Of course you would know much better what I am looking for than I would myself, coming up with stuff I never wrote out of the blue that has nothing to do with my original question.....And of course my real intention with this thread all along was to personally entertain you......Glad I apparently obtained to do what I aimed for......:):D:laugh:;):thumbsup::roflmao::cool::smug::woot::bassist::hyper:drool:rollno::bawl::bored::eek::vomit::***::spam::lock::banghead::spit::crying::rage::poop::thumbsdown::sour::mad::dead::(:confused:o_O:meh::eyebrow::rolleyes::bag::blackeye::help::cautious::oops::cigar::jawdrop::facepalm::greedy::ninja::headphone::sleep::nailbiting::bookworm::wacky::snaphappy::chicken::sorry::yawn::speechless::angel::wideyed::beaver::unsure::atoz::whistle::p
 
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......Great!...Of course you would know much better what I am looking for than I would myself, coming up with stuff I never wrote out of the blue that has nothing to do with my original question.....And of course my real intention with this thread all along was to personally entertain you......Glad I apparently obtained to do what I aimed for......:):D:laugh:;):thumbsup::roflmao::cool::smug::woot::bassist::hyper:drool:rollno::bawl::bored::eek::vomit::***::spam::lock::banghead::spit::crying::rage::poop::thumbsdown::sour::mad::dead::(:confused:o_O:meh::eyebrow::rolleyes::bag::blackeye::help::cautious::oops::cigar::jawdrop::facepalm::greedy::ninja::headphone::sleep::nailbiting::bookworm::wacky::snaphappy::chicken::sorry::yawn::speechless::angel::wideyed::beaver::unsure::atoz::whistle::p
Nice emojis ... you apparently managed to find them all ...:smug:
 
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Yes, all 12 were.

The 6 "non-height-adjustable" poles could still be accessed from underneath the pickup. They were threaded as well, which is why players were able to unscrew them (from the bottom) to remove them. So maybe I shouldn't have called them non-adjustable - they were just the poles that couldn't be raised through the cover to adjust string balance is all.

The funny thing is that, not only are original WHRBs worth their weight in gold now, but the CuNiFe magnets are the majority of that value - and people in the 70's were pulling half of them out and probably losing/discarding them.
I remember reading that CuNiFe is expensive and hard to source these days. And it’s one of the few permanent magnets that is malleable enough to make machine screws out of, since most magnets are quite brittle. I know some boutique shops make WRHBs using threaded magnets, but I don’t know if they use CuNiFe.
 
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Yessss ... but ... routing on the way!

Not necessarily- depending on how one wants to install the dummy coil, here is an example where the coil is installed in the control cavity- so no additional routing is required: Jazz Bass Dummy Coil Hum Cancelling - Electric Guitar Pickups by Ironstone
I have seen similar installations where the coil is mounted directly onto the body in the control cavity, which to me is more secure than using the double-sided sticky tape as illustrated in the example.
 
I remember reading that CuNiFe is expensive and hard to source these days. And it’s one of the few permanent magnets that is malleable enough to make machine screws out of, since most magnets are quite brittle. I know some boutique shops make WRHBs using threaded magnets, but I don’t know if they use CuNiFe.

The long story short is that Telenator was a small company that managed to get CuNiFe threaded rod magnets made for authentic WRHB reproductions. They were crazy-expensive. They've now closed. Everyone else is using threaded AlNiCo rods, which do exist and are far, far cheaper to produce. There's a lot of marketing hype behind the CuNiFes. They were the only suitable magnet available at the time. Plenty of amazing-sounding pickups are being made with the AlNiCos these days.
 
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......Great!...Of course you would know much better what I am looking for than I would myself, coming up with stuff I never wrote out of the blue that has nothing to do with my original question.....And of course my real intention with this thread all along was to personally entertain you......Glad I apparently obtained to do what I aimed for......:):D:laugh:;):thumbsup::roflmao::cool::smug::woot::bassist::hyper:drool:rollno::bawl::bored::eek::vomit::***::spam::lock::banghead::spit::crying::rage::poop::thumbsdown::sour::mad::dead::(:confused:o_O:meh::eyebrow::rolleyes::bag::blackeye::help::cautious::oops::cigar::jawdrop::facepalm::greedy::ninja::headphone::sleep::nailbiting::bookworm::wacky::snaphappy::chicken::sorry::yawn::speechless::angel::wideyed::beaver::unsure::atoz::whistle::p

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I am looking for Classic vintage J-bass pickup sound without noise. My MEC pups in my passive Warwick Corvette are so noisy that I hardly ever play that bass any longer. The guy running the Warwick custom shop in Nashville recommended Nordys. Any thoughts on this? I know I'll probably be making some sort of compromise, but I just can't stand the noise.
 
I am looking for Classic vintage J-bass pickup sound without noise. My MEC pups in my passive Warwick Corvette are so noisy that I hardly ever play that bass any longer. The guy running the Warwick custom shop in Nashville recommended Nordys. Any thoughts on this? I know I'll probably be making some sort of compromise, but I just can't stand the noise.

My favourite is the DiMarzio Area J. They're humbuckers but they sound much like traditional Jazz pickups, unlike most other humbuckers. In addition... they're not expensive, which is always nice. But I choose them for the sound (and humbucking properties), not for the price.
 
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I am looking for Classic vintage J-bass pickup sound without noise. My MEC pups in my passive Warwick Corvette are so noisy that I hardly ever play that bass any longer. The guy running the Warwick custom shop in Nashville recommended Nordys. Any thoughts on this? I know I'll probably be making some sort of compromise, but I just can't stand the noise.
Nordys single coil are very good.... the same reputation is shared by the humbucking version ... remaining within the high-dollar pickups you may also check the Fralins out ... their single coil model for me is one of the best modern example of true vintage tone (Lollars even more however) ... spending less and more or less close to the Area J I would suggest the Fender 4th Gen. and one of the various iterations of the Bartolinis although I personally like to see the pickups polepieces ...
 
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Nordys single coil are very good.... the same reputation is shared by the humbucking version ... remaining within the high-dollar pickups you may also check the Fralins out ... their single coil model for me is one of the best modern example of true vintage tone (Lollars even more however) ... spending less and more or less close to the Area J I would suggest the Fender 4th Gen. and one of the various iterations of the Bartolinis although I personally like to see the pickups polepieces ...
But what about noise?
 
I am looking for Classic vintage J-bass pickup sound without noise. My MEC pups in my passive Warwick Corvette are so noisy that I hardly ever play that bass any longer. The guy running the Warwick custom shop in Nashville recommended Nordys. Any thoughts on this? I know I'll probably be making some sort of compromise, but I just can't stand the noise.
I just dealt with the very noisy pickups in my Corvette fretless a couple of weeks ago by ripping out the offending stock PUs and replacing them with Wilde stacked humbuckers, J-45s. They sound wonderful and are very, very quiet (much like Elmer hunting Bugs). And they are inexpensive - $64 each. Well worth checking out.

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I just dealt with the very noisy pickups in my Corvette fretless a couple of weeks ago by ripping out the offending stock PUs and replacing them with Wilde stacked humbuckers, J-45s. They sound wonderful and are very, very quiet (much like Elmer hunting Bugs). And they are inexpensive - $64 each. Well worth checking out.

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Thanks!
 
I have J-style Barts in a Modulus Genesis and they are very rich and full sounding, but they produce very little high frequency content. They have several models with different tone profiles...single coil, split coil, and humbuckers with dual inline coils.

Product categories J Bass | Bartolini Pickups and Electronics
Which of those Bartolini J-pups produce very little high frequency content? I thought at first that their "Original Dual Coil" would be the ones, but in the description they write " full and warm for that vintage voice you've been craving". I absolutely do not want a vintage J-pup sound. I want a deep sounding pickup with no treble whatsoever. So maybe I am not looking at the right Bartolini J-pickup, but am unsure which one is the one you have.

Also: thank you very much for your very constructive contributions in this thread. All your comments were very worthy of reading.
 
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What's happening (my understanding) is that different placements of the rows pick up ("hear) different mixes of partials (overtones), and possibly different phases for the partials (I haven't really studied that, though); when they are combined, some of those partials sum together while others cancel. "Tone" is largely the relative amplitude of the various partials.

So, even if you could get eight tiny polepieces and two sets of windings into a J-sized p-up, the closeness of the two rows would make a different tone than a wider humbucker, due to different partial summing and cancellation.
What a great explanation! Very lucid and technically/scientifically robust.
 
But they are extremely modern sounding pickups and aren't going to sound like a vintage single coil jazz pickup.
This piqued my attention. I am no fan of the traditional J-sound, so these Joe Barden pickups may be going in the right (for me!) direction. For ease of searching of suppliers, can you perhaps give me a model name/number?

EDIT: Bad news: the new Joe Barden website product page does not have the J-style pickups anymore: Guitar Pickups - JBE Pickups
 
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