Double Bass Audiophile Turntable Recommendations for a Reasonable Price?

Edit: not sure if this is still the case as I put all this together around 6 years ago, but at that time pioneer still sold parts factory direct for the SX series receivers. That’s pretty incredible to have support for technology that’s that old.

In 1982 Pioneer no longer had parts for their top of the line receiver that I bought in 1977. The part that broke? The power switch! Then the repair shop damaged the volume balancing display (it was a qaud receiver), claimed they had nothing to do with it and Pioneer had no parts for that either. The "repaired" switch died 6 months later. #$%^&*(*&^%^&*

You had much better luck than I did.
 
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The battle cry used to be "SPEAKERS FIRST!".

It seems that there's been a shift toward focusing on the source pieces first (turntable, CD Player, DAC) and I think that makes sense.

Nope, it's still speakers first. For vinyl, the phono cartridge and speakers have more to do with the final sound than anything else in the chain. Just like how pickups and speakers are the most important when buying bass amplification.
 
In 1982 Pioneer no longer had parts for their top of the line receiver that I bought in 1977. The part that broke? The power switch! Then the repair shop damaged the volume balancing display (it was a qaud receiver), claimed they had nothing to do with it and Pioneer had no parts for that either. The "repaired" switch died 6 months later. #$%^&*(*&^%^&*

You had much better luck than I did.

yeah I bought the double stack volume pot for my receiver from them no problem! Just looked on there site and it does look like they trimmed the parts off in the last couple of years, glad I got mine when I did!
 
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I've got an audiophile story (well...mid-file) that only my people here will get.

The speakers I use are Klipsch RB-81s. A forum member gave me a hookup on them 15 year or so ago. They have an 8" woofer, which is really unusual for bookshelf speakers this generation. They are good speakers, but not audiophile speakers. I heard some really good $2,000 speakers somewhere last year and it was kind of nagging at me. I've been watching our local shop's used room and something came through there that I wanted to try and so I have them home for the weekend. They are showing me what is missing in my Klipsch speakers, but at least initially, the weight and body of the bass was just gone. Obviously I can't live with that, but I have them for a few more days and they seem to be opening up, so we'll see.

But, here's the part I think you all might appreciate. What I realize about my Klipsch speakers is they sound like what it what it sounds like to play doublebass with a jazz group. You can feel it and you can hear it more or less, but it's not super-refined. Not like it is if you're listening from a good spot in the room. Sometimes, the pitch or articulation isn't clear. The other instruments are all present too, but you're not really listening to them there's this blanket of how the bass feels draped over everything. It's what it feels like to be on-stage in the middle of a set. I've never thought of it that way but there it is. That may be why I've enjoyed them all this time.

But, with the visiting speakers, while absent that bass presence, wow! Billy Higgin's snare drum! That's what a piano sounds like! Breaths between lyrics or tenor sax phrases. It's a whole new world...I just need 50% of the bass back.

If these speakers don't open up, obviously they have to go back, but I think I know what I am looking for now.
That’s a cool story. I guess I would never be in the pure audiophile camp either as I’m always looking for more bass in the mix for my listening enjoyment.

I’m still researching down the cartridge rabbit hole and have been looking into the Audio Technical ATVM95SH cartridge. Seems like a nice cartridge to go with my Technics turntable.
 
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I’m still researching down the cartridge rabbit hole and have been looking into the Audio Technical ATVM95SH cartridge. Seems like a nice cartridge to go with my Technics turntable.

I don't have much experience with AT cartridges, but I was listening to a friend Audio Tech turntable tonight and it sounded good.

These trial speakers are driving me crazy. They seem to like certain record labels, but not others. How is that possible?
 
I don't have much experience with AT cartridges, but I was listening to a friend Audio Tech turntable tonight and it sounded good.

These trial speakers are driving me crazy. They seem to like certain record labels, but not others. How is that possible?
Well I remember from back in the day certain brands were better for different applications. My hip hop loving friends liked Polk and JBL speakers; my metalhead buddies loved Cerwin Vega and Sony speakers; and classic rock, pop and blues people liked Pioneer and Kenwood. Klipsch were so high end that I’d never head them until only in the last 10 years.
 
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The used Epos speakers that I had on trial for a week are going back. They sound way better than what I have in every way except bass presence and ... you know ... that's not gonna work.

Also, my Realist Lifeline died and I'm going to have to replace it with something before my gigs next month. Unplanned expenses suck.
 
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I was trying to keep my budget around $500-$800 for now, but that appears to be impossible.

Being brutally honest - I have built more than one decent sounding system by being picky in pawn shops and Ebay. I have one all-Polk system with a pair of Polk main speakers that cost me $110 bucks. The turntable is a JVC I've had for 40 years. Another system has Design Acoustics PS-10 speakers I've had for 30 years. A third system has four Paradigm Titans, and Paradigm center channel. Each has another brand of sub; I'm not real picky about those since they're handling a limited part of the sound spectrum.

The stereo amps driving them are all receivers, so they can do radio/video/turntable as needed. I never got sucked into the pretension of separate amps, tuners and switchers. I admit my systems simply play video surround most of the time, but they handle the other sources just fine.

Many "audiophiles" would die in hysterical laughter if I tried to sell them on my systems. but they sound great to me and my family, and I don't have more than a total of $1200 invested in any of them.

The point is that it's all relative. One man's $1200 system is great; another spends $12,000 on the same list of equipment. Somewhere in there is a law of diminishing returns; a point where you can spend more money, but you're just paying for fancier wood, a brand name or model number, or some perceived technical advantage that's really just marketing foof.

If it sounds great to you, consider your goal reached. But do your homework, buy used whenever possible to save money, and if you end up swapping components as you become more educated in terms of your desires, that's fine.
 
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I just read every post in this thread and want to comment. In my experience, there is a lot of good vintage gear out there if one is willing to do a little tinkering. Tinkering with turntables is just part of the deal, so consider doing a little more tinkering on a vintage turntable. You might just have to change the oil in the well if it’s a belt drive and change the belt. The AR XA is a real sleeper and a properly running example will likely outperform anything new under $1000. The Project T2 is a turnkey turntable with cartridge for $500 which isn’t half bad. It has an onboard phono stage that doesn’t suck either. Amplifiers are now small and cheap. I bought a new Aiyima class D power amp on Amazon for about $75 which sounds great and puts out plenty of juice for any reasonable speaker. You can put together a respectable system for $1000 if you concentrate on the front end and buy used where you can.
 
You can put together a respectable system for $1000 if you concentrate on the front end and buy used where you can.

Also the back end! The phono cartridge and speakers are about 90% of the sound because they are the least linear components in the system. Conversion of energy from acoustic (air pressure) to electric and back again is where all the magic lies.

As far as all the amplification stages, from phono preamps which include RIAA EQ correction, through to the power amps what you are paying for in better gear is less noise and less distortion (of all kinds). The result is more clarity.
 
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