Bassists in cover bands- what's your approach?

This is one for all the cover band bassists out there- just wondering what's your advice for quickly/efficiently/accurately learning material for gigs? I've been in a local original metal band for the last 9 years and due to drama I'll spare here, have parted ways. Not sure I want to remain in that scene any longer. Poor crowd attendance, limited venues, and not a dime to be made; so at almost 50 I've decided maybe it's time to start getting paid back for all the years of time and monetary investment. One of the most well known cover bands in the city/region is currently seeking a bassist, and I'm considering throwing my hat in the ring- settings my sights high.
What are the best ways to quickly and accurately learn the material? I was thinking of picking up guitar pro 8. Love to hear y'all's thoughts.
I am 2 years into playing bass and I am very much still trying to figure out the best approach to combine speed and accuracy. I played covers with guitar in the past for a long time, but for some reason things don't work the same for me with the two instruments. Here's a bunch of thoughts I am gathering from my current understanding about what kinda works for me...


1) Faking is ok

I am very much a note-for-note fanatic, but it's a recipe for long and hard work. Almost nobody will really notice if I play as on the record or something different, in 99% of famous songs, people only really notice the vocals and the main riff (which is usually guitar or keyboard). On a minority of songs, there can be a legendary solo, almost always by the guitarist, which can attract scrutiny.

Obviously, the core bass groove is very important, and I would never fake that. But it takes very little time to identify the core bass groove of a song, what takes me most time is figuring out the variations on each measure (hearing them properly from the record, writing them down, finding the best fretting and fingering, practicing them technique-wise and finally memorizing them!). To get ready for rehearsal/gigging as fast as possible, in the first stage just nailing the grooves in each section goes a long way, takes 1% of the time and delivers 90% of the song!

Some songs seem to actually require some bass variations to feel good, but it doesn't have to be exactly the same variations of the original recording. So if you feel some songs are too boring when repeating the groove always identical, your second stage could be to either (1) identify chords and improvise your own variations, if you are good at that, or (2) write down a few of the original recording variations, learn to play those few but apply them on the spot whenever you feel like. This is a bit typical of drummers who learn a vocabulary of "my own fills" to use randomly when the song has a moment of emptiness e.g. because there's a gap in the lyrics.

If faking leaves you a bitter taste, you can always tell yourself that this is only to get there as soon as possible, once you're rehearsing/gigging you can always improve the accuracy against the original later on :)


2) DIY helps

Transcribing by ear and writing down your own transcription are proven processes to commit to memory much better, but they are of course time-consuming, so unless you're quite good at these already, I wouldn't recommend to all the hard work. Which is worse, spending 10 hours to transcribe a 3-minutes song to have it almost memorized by then, or spending 10 hours memorizing it from someone else's the transcription? Clearly, the answer is 'neither'. There is most likely a combination of things that leads to being ready faster, but which one is it isn't obvious.

What I normally do, is to always start from an existing transcription if available. In order from the fastest method (for me) if a transcription is available, I use Rocksmith, followed by YouTube, followed by UltimateGuitar, followed by official TAB books. Here I don't necessarily mean 'fastest' for achieving results, but 'fastest' as in 'if there's a transcription for this method, I'll be up and running practicing it in a shorter time'. For example, official TAB books are much more reliable and accurate than all others, but before I order one of those books it'll be days at least... with Rocksmith it takes me a couple of minutes to start, with YouTube I need to typically at least vet a few videos to understand which are decent, and with UltimateGuitar I need to wade through a lot of garbage.

But whatever the starting point, I always work my way back to fixing the mistakes in those sources in a second phase. You'll notice glaring mistakes quite immediately, and subtle ones perhaps later on, but your ears will always be the final arbiter. For some reason, I am much better at spotting mistakes in other people's work than mine, so if I transcribe something from scratch by myself, it might take days before I notice I got something wrong, hence my habit of starting from an existing transcription and work backwards.

The other DIY mechanism that really helps (with memorization) is writing it down. It takes time on its own so if you're in a rush and you already have a written transcription, just use that, but when your purpose is committing to memory, even just copying a score with a pencil on another empty sheet will help with the memorization process.


3) Focus rather than multitask

I have the tendency of making this mistake all the time :rolleyes: but don't practice too many songs at once. If you have for instance a week to learn 5 songs, it's ok to give all of them a first pass on the first day (at least to get an idea on how hard each one is going to be), but then try to stick to one song at a time, for example limit yourself to 1-2 songs per day. It depends of course how many hours you have on each day, but at least don't jump from one song to the next too quickly, in the transcription case try to fully transcribe one song at a time, and in the practicing phase maybe replay each song ~10 times in a row rather than 10 songs one time each. Focusing helps both making it easier to play and committing to memory.


4) Work from the easiest to the hardest

I have debated this endlessly since I was in school... some of my schoolmates used to always tackle the hardest homeworks first, so that the worst is done and got rid the sooner. The danger of that is, should you failed to finish the hardest homework, you'd have no time to do the easiest ones either.

So if I have a list of things to do, be it songs to learn or work tasks in my daily job, I always start from the easiest so that I can check many off the list quickly. If my boss sees my checklist near the deadline date and sees almost everything done except the hardest task versus seeing everything undone "but I am almost finished with the biggest task, and I'll do all the others tonight", what do you think it's going to make him feel more comfortable?

If I got 20 songs to learn, and there's a chance I won't make it with all of them, I'd rather have the easiest 15 ready to gig than the 5 hardest ones, very simply!
 
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I find that writing a chart is invaluable even if you never use it on stage. It's just like creating a study sheet. The very act of writing down the detailed components of the song seems to help my brain to grasp firmly onto the structure and eliminates any myystery. For really complex pieces, I find that transcribing them note for note - no matter how slow and painful this is EVERY SINGLE TIME - is the best way to get them into my subconscious memory.

This is in addition to constantly listening to the songs while not playing, and obsessively playing the songs multiple times for a number of (days|hours|minutes [whatever amount of time you have available before the gig]).

I regularly receive set lists 2 days before weddings and this is how I get through them.
 
YT and Ultimate Guitar (etc) are great but I'm wary of making that my first step. A tape deck was the only thing I had when starting out. Listen, try, rewind a bit, try again. Develops the ears. I try quite hard to get the chords and patterns in my head from just listening. Sometimes I'll try it on the piano first. For simpler tunes it's straight to the bass.

I'm still not very good with the note names on the bass. In my head I'm always playing in C and by chord numbers. Helps me see the harmonic structure. And also helps with fills.

Sometimes I'll look at a YT playalong for fun, including multiple versions of the same song. Can also help pick up some new technique. I dont have a good set up at home for "precise" listening and practice, so can be easier to hear the bass part on the car stereo.

My other half has "Stevie Wonder" level ears. It's a game. If I get it right i win. If not she wins cos she's always right. I get annoyed if I have to look up the chord. I don't play jazz, would be lost on that.
 
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I use a note pad and youtube. If something has a complex part that is giving me trouble I can usually find a play through or lesson that will clue me. Most pop songs have similar patterns and 3 primary sections verse chorus bridge along with an intro and ending. I write down the chords for each section with the structure.
I also do a lot of my practicing playing along with pop songs I may have to play.
Attached is an example of something recent out of my pad.
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I do a lot of last minute sub gigs in cover bands so this is something I've been doing regularly for years, and after several years of doing it I found a pattern that I've used pretty much exactly the same way ever since.

First, I get the set list and find a recording of each tune in the set. Often the band will share a dropbox folder or similar. Sometimes they'll have charts, but because many of the groups I've subbed for don't want charts on stage, I've just gotten into the habit of not using them on gigs, although going through the act of writing the chart is really helpful in the memorization process.

So first, I'll run through the list and mark the stuff I know so well that I don't need to shed it at all, stuff I've never played at all, or stuff I'm familiar with but will need to review.

I focus on the least familiar stuff first. Going in the order of the set list, I'll load the first track into Seventh String Transcribe. I'll listen to the full track (I don't even pick up the bass at this point), and I use the Measure and Section marker keys in transcribe to mark the form of the tune. Usually I just mark measures and then convert the first measure of each section to a section marker after I figure out the form. Be sure to save the Transcribe file at this point.

Once I have the form marked up in Transcribe, I'll play through the tune. I write down the key and the first note that I will actually be playing if its not the root, and if its a country gig and there's a turnaround at the beginning like a 55-11, I'll make a note. This leaves me with a one page set list with my notes, and I'll take that to the gig. I don't usually ever look at it, but the ritual of making it is reassuring.

If there are any challenges in the tune, hits, tricky passages etc and I flub them, it's easy with Transcribe to just loop a few bars. I prefer to do all this in headphones since I find I can identify notes a lot more accurately with them.

After I've made this first pass, I generally have an idea of which tunes will need the most work. I'll plan to run through the list several times, but I try to space out the practice sessions by at least several hours, to try to give myself time to start forgetting what I learned. If it's clear that I've got a tune down, I'll just play the head and a verse and chorus and then skip to the next one to save time for the harder ones.

Once I can get through the entire list without mistakes a couple of times, I cut way back on the practice sessions. I may be different than others but I find if I overdo it with the practice I start to get somewhat complacent, but I always do one final run-through shortly before the gig.

So anyway that's the basic method- not a lot to it. When stuff goes wrong, it's usually things that somebody forgot to mention. Like the band changed the arrangement of the tune and took a section or a key change out. It's good to ask since I've found often just asking the question is enough to jog somebody's memory about changes they wouldn't have thought about otherwise. Also if the list doesn't mention an artist, I will usually confirm since several times I've learned the wrong tune if its in a genre I don't follow closely.

Most of what I wrote here goes out the window if its a last minute thing where I just have to play from some charts. I think that's harder advice to give because it requires a lot of experience interacting with different kinds of players/bandleaders. However, when I do get called to play tunes on the spot that I've never heard and there isn't even a chart, the mental process is pretty similar to that first-listening pass I mentioned; you're trying to kinda make a chart in your head of the A and B section since you know you're going to be playing them again shortly.

Anyway good luck!!
Transcribe is a great tool. Being able to slow the music down without changing keys has been very, very helpful over the years.
 
I use a simplified system in the beginning memorize song structure, whether it's original or covers.

Most songs only have so many different parts. To make it simple I'll start with 3. Verse, Chorus and Bridge.

I will letter every different part, A, B, C etc.

Then I'll make a chart:
A-4 (verse 4 times)
B-2 (chorus 2 times)
A-6 (verse 6 times)
B-4 (chorus 4 times)
C-8 (bridge 8 times)
B-4 (chorus 4 times)
You get the idea.

Once the structure is down, I'll worry about fills or changing riffs around....

This is "kinda" how I'd do it if it was a song I'm not familiar with. HOWEVER, the "A,B,C" as listed above, would drive me crazy, Just because when I see "C" written down I think "Chorus", same with "B" and "Bridge". Seems odd (even backwards) to me, to have B=Chorus, and C=Bridge. 🤔 (no offense, of course).

I call them V=Verse, B= Bridge, C= Chorus. (ya know, because Verse starts with V, etc..) :thumbsup:

More like this Like this, I reckon:
I break a song down into the most basic components: chords, overall feel, song structure. I'll usually write a quick chord chart with basic structure of "verse", "chorus", and "bridge". The feel I just have to remember., but that's not really hard for me. If there's a bass hook, or a lick that makes the song what it is, I'll learn that, too. ...

This just make the most sense to me, But mainly because that's the way I've always written it down.. V, B, C.. and maybe (V/solo) or something if it was "playing the verse notes", but during the guitar solo, Why "complicate" it? 🤔:bassist:


JMO, YMMV.. etc.

Lot's of good advice/methods in the replies anyway.

Go for it, and good luck! Playing in a rockin' cover band can be AWESOME! :thumbsup:

:bassist:


T$
 
I haves pattern I consistently use to learn catalogues and one off songs. Listen to the setlist over and over while working at other things to get the songs in your head. I use Spotify to easily create the master list.

Moises is your friend

- Drop ALL songs into Moises to separate instruments / lower volume on ALL top 20% and increase bass to 100%
- Moises will provide the key, the chord structure inline as the song is playing so you can see the notes/changes and isolate the unique riffs
- Play along, slow down and isolate parts to learn them

I don’t waste time charting, I commit the tunes to memory by playing them over and over. I can easily breakdown and learn the main structure/progression for 15-20 tunes in an evening. Then while listening to them, next day while working or doing other things, I can play through the fingerboard in my head as the songs play. Then I’ll hit them again the next night and so on…

Moises is your friend, it expedites this whole process.
 
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I just play along to the original and try to play note for note. I just skip charting completely and try to memorize as I go. It takes some repetition in some cases, but for me it is way faster than charting, and then having to memorize it anyway. I play rock, pop, rnb, and country. The songs aren't that hard for the most part.
 
Lots of good advice in this thread. Personally I get a lot out of making a chart/roadmap - both as initial learning (focused listening) and as an emergency crutch for the show. I wouldn’t want the chart on stage for more than 2-3 shows if I could help it, though.

Even once you have the source version down cold, you may find that the particular cover band has added their own tweaks to it. Stuff like “yeah, we actually skip that weird 4 bars of synth noise leading into the last chorus,” or “we double the length of that guitar solo,” or “we go right from this one into that one without stopping, here’s how.” At a minimum, they need endings for songs that fade out on the original recordings. This is another reason that I like to have a one page chart for each tune when subbing. I’m often scribbling down new info at the first rehearsal. I like the ForScore app for this.

Best case is having a recording of the cover band’s show, which avoids most such surprises.

Good luck!
 
I play bass in 2 cover bands, different genres. Almost 70 songs in total.
I can’t read the charts at first sight and tabs are not something you want to have on stage.
I write my own charts with chords and structure of the song. By hand (it helps to memorize). If there’s a particular thing to remember, like triplets, or long notes (2/4-4/4) I write them down in the right measure. I keep the chart until I can play the song by memory. On some songs it didn’t happened after years…
For other songs there’s nothing to do but learn the part note by note (when the bass part is so memorable and iconic like “Crazy Little Thing called Love” for example or “Time is running out” or every RHCP song). I try to do it by ear and if there’s something I can’t get, the are tons of bass covers on YouTube. Sometimes I change the fingering but at least I’m sure to do the right notes.
I try to keep a studying routine of booth repertoires even when I’m not rehearsing with the band (the “no bass” version of the songs you find on YouTube are very useful for that)
 
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I use a simplified system in the beginning memorize song structure, whether it's original or covers.

Most songs only have so many different parts. To make it simple I'll start with 3. Verse, Chorus and Bridge.

I will letter every different part, A, B, C etc.

Then I'll make a chart:
A-4 (verse 4 times)
B-2 (chorus 2 times)
A-6 (verse 6 times)
B-4 (chorus 4 times)
C-8 (bridge 8 times)
B-4 (chorus 4 times)
You get the idea.

Once the structure is down, I'll worry about fills or changing riffs around.

I really don't play covers note for note. I'll keep signature parts and improvise most fills unless it's essential to the song. Learning a bunch of songs, you'll drive yourself nuts trying to learn every fill note for note.

This is what works for me anyway.
This is great advice. Thank you. I was hung up on one song today trying nail a note for note approach. I need to abandon my perfectionist tendencies and not let perfect be the enemy of good. I can add the embellishments later! Good perspective!
YT and Ultimate Guitar (etc) are great but I'm wary of making that my first step. A tape deck was the only thing I had when starting out. Listen, try, rewind a bit, try again. Develops the ears. I try quite hard to get the chords and patterns in my head from just listening. Sometimes I'll try it on the piano first. For simpler tunes it's straight to the bass.

I'm still not very good with the note names on the bass. In my head I'm always playing in C and by chord numbers. Helps me see the harmonic structure. And also helps with fills.

Sometimes I'll look at a YT playalong for fun, including multiple versions of the same song. Can also help pick up some new technique. I dont have a good set up at home for "precise" listening and practice, so can be easier to hear the bass part on the car stereo.

My other half has "Stevie Wonder" level ears. It's a game. If I get it right i win. If not she wins cos she's always right. I get annoyed if I have to look up the chord. I don't play jazz, would be lost on that.
Completely relate to the tape deck method, that's the way I got started as well!
 
This is great advice. Thank you. I was hung up on one song today trying nail a note for note approach. I need to abandon my perfectionist tendencies and not let perfect be the enemy of good. I can add the embellishments later! Good perspective!

Completely relate to the tape deck method, that's the way I got started as well!
Chortle, just been reminiscing on tapes decks and vinyl with a buddy.

I may have sounded a bit condescending in my previous post. We should use all the tools available to improve. I just try to stretch my (poor) ear skills a bit before turning to the answer page :) But if you're pressed for time on getting lots of tunes down I can understand end gaming it a bit.
 
when I see "C" written down I think "Chorus", same with "B" and "Bridge". Seems odd (even backwards) to me, to have B=Chorus, and C=Bridge. 🤔 (no offense, of course).

I call them V=Verse, B= Bridge, C= Chorus. (ya know, because Verse starts with V, etc..) :thumbsup:

I've played in a crap-ton of ensembles that performed compositions of rather atypical forms, and so words like "verse" "chorus" or "bridge" were practically meaningless in those contexts. The standard convention for deliniating sections in those sorts of charts* are simply
A = the first section
B = the 2nd section
C = the 3rd section
etc

If the second section is mostly the same as the first section, instead of calling it B you call it A' (A prime)
If the third section is yet another iteration -- or variant -- of the first and second sections, you call it A'' (A double-prime)

*That's the approach I saw endorsed/taught in both undergrad and graduate level music schools fwiw

Amusing aside: In one such ensemble we came to the realization that the actual name/letter/number didn't matter; so long as you know that X -- whatever X is, be it "A" or "Verse" or "That First Part With The Funny Stop-Time Feel" -- refers to the Nth section of the tune, and that the form is (for example) XXYXYZ, you're good to go. We once tried using "Frank" "Biff" and "Hollis" instead of A, B, and C and it made perfect sense!
 
This is one for all the cover band bassists out there- just wondering what's your advice for quickly/efficiently/accurately learning material for gigs? I've been in a local original metal band for the last 9 years and due to drama I'll spare here, have parted ways. Not sure I want to remain in that scene any longer. Poor crowd attendance, limited venues, and not a dime to be made; so at almost 50 I've decided maybe it's time to start getting paid back for all the years of time and monetary investment. One of the most well known cover bands in the city/region is currently seeking a bassist, and I'm considering throwing my hat in the ring- settings my sights high.
What are the best ways to quickly and accurately learn the material? I was thinking of picking up guitar pro 8. Love to hear y'all's thoughts.
Depends on the brief.
Some ppl want note for note and some are happy if what you bring really works.

Just recently joined a band with BL with very good ears, so he hears everything. First run through, he wants it the way he hears it...its just simpler that way. I go with this as much as possible bearing in mind, that that takes longer so he needs to be flexible. But its then your homework and sets the bar.
When he trusts that you can then tastefully add stuff to raise the rendition of a given track, he then just smiles when he hears something different but still in the style on the song.

So for an audition, get the notes ball park but carry energy and feel. You'll learn the notes better a few weeks down the line but you can't sub energy and groove if you don't have it in your bag.
People want you because you make them sound better but sometimes you have to know they don't hear what you do, so if you can't bring that together in a conducive package, you wont get the gig.
Being a good player and the 'right' player are not necessarily the same thing.

Did the OP get the gig..?? assume not.
 
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Depends on the brief.
Some ppl want note for note and some are happy if what you bring really works.

Just recently joined a band with BL with very good ears, so he hears everything. First run through, he wants it the way he hears it...its just simpler that way. I go with this as much as possible bearing in mind, that that takes longer so he needs to be flexible. But its then your homework and sets the bar.
When he trusts that you can then tastefully add stuff to raise the rendition of a given track, he then just smiles when he hears something different but still in the style on the song.

So for an audition, get the notes ball park but carry energy and feel. You'll learn the notes better a few weeks down the line but you can't sub energy and groove if you don't have it in your bag.
People want you because you make them sound better but sometimes you have to know they don't hear what you do, so if you can't bring that together in a conducive package, you wont get the gig.
Being a good player and the 'right' player are not necessarily the same thing.

Did the OP get the gig..?? assume not.
This is fantastic advice, and should be a "sticky" post on this site- may have my terminology wrong here, but I feel this applies to any opportunity.
To your last point, did I get the cover gig? No, someone was chosen before I even had the chance to audition. I did however get the spot in an original band that I'd held in the same high regard- and I know I'll be much happier with this situation.
Sometimes things work out better than you'd hoped!
 
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