Carol Kaye’s guide to the ‘60s sound

We've accepted that these types of quotes a bit of myth making and tall tales, right? I have no doubt she was busy as can be, but "too busy to change strings?"

Ok.

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If she said it, she meant it. Read her book, or watch her interviews. You don’t know how busy she was and on top of that she was at most times a single parent raising 3 kids and taking care of her elderly mother.

If you haven’t lived her life, you don’t know . Besides , this is really nothing to lie about or make a myth or legend about . No one gets cool’s point for something like this.
 
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If you haven’t lived her life, you don’t know . Besides , this is really nothing to lie about or make a myth or legend about . No one gets cool’s point for something like this.

Again, all the respect in the world to her as a player, that should go without saying. All I'm saying is that people aren't always reliable narrators, regardless of their legendary bass playing.
 
It's a copy & paste of just the answers from an ancient Q&A on her blog, from about 20 years ago.

It crops up every few years, in this format which makes it seem like a mad rant, rather than generous answers to specific (if samey) questions.


Well that makes more sense. Reading the first post instantly made me think she was losing it. She's still a cool old gal in my book.
 
We've accepted that these types of quotes a bit of myth making and tall tales, right? I have no doubt she was busy as can be, but "too busy to change strings?"
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Ok.
We've accepted that these types of quotes a bit of myth making and tall tales, right? I have no doubt she was busy as can be, but "too busy to change strings?"

Ok.
I firmly believe a very high percentage of what she says is highly embellished and often a complete lie. I’m sorry if this offends anyone here. She’s a legend and a tremendous talent but often there are holes so big in her statements you could drive a truck through them. Case in point: Fender basses were NEVER inexpensive, throwaway items. When adjusted for inflation they cost about the same as they do now to buy. No time to change strings? Mmm yeah. It takes longer to drive to the store and buy a new bass than it does to change strings. A lot longer.
 
Again, all the respect in the world to her as a player, that should go without saying. All I'm saying is that people aren't always reliable narrators, regardless of their legendary bass playing.
Yes! This x1000. As humans we all often do this. We are imperfect. What bothers me about Carol though is she will go out of her way to tell you everyone is wrong and only she can be right. I understand fully why she’s so jaded about how she was treated at times and how she was overlooked or disrespected but she also hasn’t earned license for an alternate reality.
 
Yes! This x1000. As humans we all often do this. We are imperfect. What bothers me about Carol though is she will go out of her way to tell you everyone is wrong and only she can be right. I understand fully why she’s so jaded about how she was treated at times and how she was overlooked or disrespected but she also hasn’t earned license for an alternate reality.

Aren't there huge discrepancies about songs she claims to have played on?

She's a legend, but not the most reliable source.
 
I firmly believe a very high percentage of what she says is highly embellished and often a complete lie. I’m sorry if this offends anyone here. She’s a legend and a tremendous talent but often there are holes so big in her statements you could drive a truck through them. Case in point: Fender basses were NEVER inexpensive, throwaway items. When adjusted for inflation they cost about the same as they do now to buy. No time to change strings? Mmm yeah. It takes longer to drive to the store and buy a new bass than it does to change strings. A lot longer.
As I tried to say in an earlier post (unsuccessfully, I guess), compared to the double basses that they were replacing in the studios, Fender basses were *vastly* cheaper. I could imagine Ray Brown in 1970 having an expensive insurance policy on his double bass and buying a seat for it next to him on an airplane... but checking his P-Bass with his luggage and buying a new one if it got crushed. Cheap tools, comparatively. My guess is that in the early-to-mid-1960s, a bebop musician like Carol Kaye considered the Fender bass a rock 'n' roll toy. A useful toy which the producers wanted, and which earned her lots and lots of money.
 
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If one listens closely to contemporary commercial and TV show music (that actually has a bass) it is clear that the pick with flats sound is still very much in style. The sound pioneered by Carol and others is still widely used in music production. It just works, even more so today with most music reproduction coming from phone, computer and ear bud speakers. Carol's tips for using felt and foam to mute are priceless to get that sound.
 
I firmly believe a very high percentage of what she says is highly embellished and often a complete lie. I’m sorry if this offends anyone here. She’s a legend and a tremendous talent but often there are holes so big in her statements you could drive a truck through them. Case in point: Fender basses were NEVER inexpensive, throwaway items. When adjusted for inflation they cost about the same as they do now to buy. No time to change strings? Mmm yeah. It takes longer to drive to the store and buy a new bass than it does to change strings. A lot longer.
Player perspective. I do t think Carol is the one embellishing words here.

Yes! This x1000. As humans we all often do this. We are imperfect. What bothers me about Carol though is she will go out of her way to tell you everyone is wrong and only she can be right. I understand fully why she’s so jaded about how she was treated at times and how she was overlooked or disrespected but she also hasn’t earned license for an alternate reality.

Until anyone can prove otherwise, I still don’t see any reason for her to embellish . Her body of work , her records that she kept, and the legal battles she has won speak for themselves. I’m not saying she remembers everything correctly but she is still a very smart woman with all of her faculties about her.
Just because you do t believe what she says or agree with her opinions doesn’t mean she lived in an alternate reality .
Her name is Carol …. Not Jaco.
 
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As I tried to say in an earlier post (unsuccessfully, I guess), compared to the double basses that they were replacing in the studios, Fender basses were *vastly* cheaper. I could imagine Ray Brown in 1970 having an expensive insurance policy on his double bass and buying a seat for it next to him on an airplane... but checking his P-Bass with his luggage and buying a new one if it got crushed. Cheap tools, comparatively. My guess is that in the early-to-mid-1960s, a bebop musician like Carol Kaye considered the Fender bass a rock 'n' roll toy. A useful toy which the producers wanted, and which earned her lots and lots of money.
When I was a production assistant for Johnny Mann's Stand Up and Cheer TV show in 1971-73, Ray Brown was our session player. He only used a double standup bass. The other players were Tommy Tedesco, Herb Ellis, Joe Pass, Paul Smith on piano, subbed by Chick Corea, Ray was subbed by Monty Budwig, Tommy Vig on vibes, Frankie Capp on drums, a good number of the Wrecking Crew.
 
When I was a production assistant for Johnny Mann's Stand Up and Cheer TV show in 1971-73, Ray Brown was our session player. He only used a double standup bass. The other players were Tommy Tedesco, Herb Ellis, Joe Pass, Paul Smith on piano, subbed by Chick Corea, Ray was subbed by Monty Budwig, Tommy Vig on vibes, Frankie Capp on drums, a good number of the Wrecking Crew.
I ordered Carol Kaye's autobiography, which is done by email directly to her. In the email I said the same thing as above, but in her reply, she made it very clear that she didn't like that name and the documentary.

I actually made a small contribution to it. When Denny Tedesco was putting it together, he asked people who worked with his father Tommy to send him a note of any remembrances. As a guitar player myself at the time, I wrote that watching Tommy every week was fascinating with his chubby fingers flying over the fretboard and a cigarette always hanging from his lip.
 
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with bridges up a little higher, and pulled back a little too for more tension (no they do not go out-of-tune like they do on guitar, on good basses)
..."

I have a lot of time for what Carol has to say, and used some of her teaching materials when I was starting out, but this ^^ is balony. Regardless of how 'good' the bass is it will not play in tune if the saddles are randomly and indiscriminately 'pulled back a little'.
 
I have a lot of time for what Carol has to say, and used some of her teaching materials when I was starting out, but this ^^ is balony. Regardless of how 'good' the bass is it will not play in tune if the saddles are randomly and indiscriminately 'pulled back a little'.

I thought that too. She clearly doesn't understand the physics of stringed instruments.
 
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