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Maybe 6 a year, according to the man that makes them, per his post one page back.
I try to read the full thread, don't always succeed. Heh.
My hat goes to players that will manage playing a fretless multi-scale unlined instrument. Now, I celebrate innovation of any kind and feel that beyond their original intent, not “cutting” the board (or doing it partially, carving lines between the strings) could provide the fretboard more stability and that would reduce buzzing on the long run.
The lines look sharp, clean, well defined. As suggested above, this technique could be used to draw even more interesting things on wood, using other colors.
The lines look sharp, clean, well defined. As suggested above, this technique could be used to draw even more interesting things on wood, using other colors.
I already can, doesn't mean i don't like lined as well.
IMHO pretty but totally useless since a standard fretless board will achieve exactly the same results without all the over Engineering.
And yet, I keep seeing people here and on other social media who say they’ve had exactly the issues Sheldon describes, with their lined fretless basses.
Notice you replied to a comment that said 'standard fretless' not 'filled fretless'? So no, he's right. There isn't any non-filled fret players saying they are having this problem and certainly isn't any standard fretless players saying they are having that problem.
I don't understand some folks. If you don't like something, why feel the need to put it down? Move along and keep your dislike to yourself and let people enjoy things.
There is no "standard" fretless board. Even if there were, that doesn't mean that every last fretless ever must adhere to that standard. Sheldon himself came in here and said that they build ~6 fretlesses in a year. This is quite obviously not coming from an over abundance of demand. Often times luthiers and people working on passion projects will do things that seem "over engineered", but come from a place of pushing the boundaries and doing something different. If we all wanted bog "standard" basses, we wouldn't even be playing electric basses at this point.
Let go of your egos and your snide comments. If nothing else, this is impressive engineering on numerous levels and a testament to Sheldon's crew's ability to execute, and think well outside the box. In fact, that's basically Dingwall in a nutshell - everlasting evolution on design and exploring new ideas, pushing boundaries, and always trying to consider how to do things better. Not just copy an existing design, maybe tweak the headstock to avoid lawsuits, and call it good enough.
If you haven't had an issue with fretlines, great! I'm honestly happy for you.
There is no "standard" fretless board. Even if there were, that doesn't mean that every last fretless ever must adhere to that standard. Sheldon himself came in here and said that they build ~6 fretlesses in a year. This is quite obviously not coming from an over abundance of demand. Often times luthiers and people working on passion projects will do things that seem "over engineered", but come from a place of pushing the boundaries and doing something different. If we all wanted bog "standard" basses, we wouldn't even be playing electric basses at this point.
Let go of your egos and your snide comments. If nothing else, this is impressive engineering on numerous levels and a testament to Sheldon's crew's ability to execute, and think well outside the box. In fact, that's basically Dingwall in a nutshell - everlasting evolution on design and exploring new ideas, pushing boundaries, and always trying to consider how to do things better. Not just copy an existing design, maybe tweak the headstock to avoid lawsuits, and call it good enough.
If you haven't had an issue with fretlines, great! I'm honestly happy for you.
Is offset lines still too much of a noise issue? because to me it looks better then this and cuts less into the fretboard
That looks like a great idea, but this will add more cost to an already expensive bass. The good thing is that this is money spent for something practical and not cosmetic.
Where did I say at all that i even had a preference or thought one was better than the other? Weird response to me literally telling you your other comment wasn't accurate.
Probably not that much more cost. The slots are cut with a CNC router, so it's just a matter of creative programming. And I'll betcha they were also thoughtful/creative enough to write out accompanying CNC code to cut all the various lengths of inlay material.
True, the tiny bits used for CNC fret slots are delicate, so I'm sure they have a relatively short lifespan and so add to cost, but they're not all that expensive.
Me personally, I'll put my opinion out there. If you have a well reasoned response I will read it and possibly change my mind.
This was exactly my issue with the earlier comment. It seemed to imply that a “standard fretless board” is unlined. Either that, or there’s a lining method that doesn’t involve an inlay or fill, which I have been completely unaware of but is the “standard”.
You mean lines on the side only, not on the face? Sure, that eliminates the problem.
Side only is my preference, for exactly this reason. I've had issues with inlaid fretlines causing uneven response. And I also like the look of side only.
But I do see why some players like to have full fret lines so they have that guidance all the way across to the highest string. IMO the need for it vanishes pretty quickly with regular practice; I learned pretty quickly that the actual string-to-fingerboard contact point varies quite a bit depending on what part of your finger is being used (tip versus further back on the pad), so the lines are a lot less useful than one might initially think. You quickly find that you really do have to use your ears, not your eyes, to play in tune. Side dots and lines are a good enough rough guide for me to get my fingers in position for my ears to do the fine tuning. I'm not a pro, I don't get to play a whole lot of hours every day or even every week, so I've never really gotten to the point where I can play with complete confidence all over the neck with my eyes closed. I need some visual reference.
You may have missed it, but, I did put my opinion out there. It was previous to yours, in fact, so I'm guessing you maybe didn't read the whole thread:
Again, not looking to change minds. You have your experience, I have mine. I just don't understand the desire or need to put down someone else's effort, just because you don't immediately understand the benefit from it.
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