Double Bass double bass playing help?

Hi! I am starting with slap bass (i origninally started playing in a school orchestra and currently play in my schools upper level orch) and since i have my own bass i am needing some help with learning songs. What songs or exercices would yall reccomend for somebody starting out playing psychobilly rockabilly and bluegrass? Also how can i improve my right hand technique to play easier and faster because i am unsure of correct technique. One other question is how do yall learn songs by ear? One last question is do yall have any advice writing bass parts for a band or things i need to know for just playing bass in general for a band, i am forming a punk band and will soon need to start writing parts. Thank yall!
 
Thank you @turf3, great info, it sounds like the path is pretty clear...

Just out of curiosity @NeesiesNotDead , did you get hit by hurricanes this year? If so I hope things are getting better for you and anyone else here from there.
I was hit by the hurricanes but most things are going well again for myself and most near me thank you for asking
 
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Silly me didn’t realize you’re classically trained. Of course your brain will initially struggle with learning by ear. Believe me, you’re far from the only player who hit that wall. It’s just a different type of practice, right?

If you’re on Facebook, request to join a group called the Upright Bass Players’ Union. The membership is in the thousands, is geared to roots/rockabilly/psychobilly players, and some of them live in Florida.
 
Silly me didn’t realize you’re classically trained. Of course your brain will initially struggle with learning by ear. Believe me, you’re far from the only player who hit that wall. It’s just a different type of practice, right?

If you’re on Facebook, request to join a group called the Upright Bass Players’ Union. The membership is in the thousands, is geared to roots/rockabilly/psychobilly players, and some of them live in Florida.
I sadly am not on Facebook due to my parents rules but I will try to remember this for once I am able to, thank you!
 
... not on Facebook ...
I have three (or maybe more) FB accounts and may get on one of them once a year, that is if I can remember the password. Personal preference, just too much junk to try to sift through... "Bias Alert", but in my opinion we aren't missing much worthwhile. On the other hand, my wife is very FB active and likes it, so it might just be a caveman thing with me. :D
 
For bluegrass, your best asset is being able to play by ear, meaning pick up songs by ear and then improvising. You may already be at that point, but if not, learning to play by ear is key. Not just because there's very little written music in bluegrass, but also because bluegrass is very frequently expressed in jams, and jams go from song to song very quickly, often with songs a person doesn't know, so they have to pick up the song quickly by ear and then improvise.

Playing by ear in bluegrass on the double bass requires listening to the melody very carefully and learning it, and then designing your bass part around it. While in bluegrass jams and even in gigs occasionally the bass will actually get a break and want to approximate the melody, most of the time the bass part is rhythmic harmony, so knowing the notes to play for that in every key imaginable will be an important part of a toolkit.

Bluegrass is somewhat unique in that most of the learning happens on the ground, often in jams. There are very few seriously bluegrass oriented double bass teachers. There are however general double bass teachers that can teach you how to play without hurting yourself -- although with your previous experience with double bass I suspect you already have learned good technique.

I'd recommend 2 things for bluegrass...

1) Find a bluegrass jam in your area and attend it, at first just listening to how things go, and in particular, watching and listening to any double bass players. Eventually, let it be known you are working on double bass, and then attend with your bass in hand, and you'll probably get asked to play. The easiest way to find out about jams in your area is to look up your local bluegrass association and contact someone from it.

2) Work on playing songs by ear... Even if you already have this skill, honing it for bluegrass will be very helpful. Find a way to duplicate the melody first just by listening to it, then singing, humming or whistling it. Then similarly work out the harmonies, including the bass part, and finally moving that to the double bass. I'd suggest avoiding writing anything down, or reading existing songs -- while this may shortcut you into duplicating the song, it will shortchange your learning it by ear and your memorization of that song. You may find jam participants reading notes or chords from paper or on a pad, but that slows down the ear processes, and in higher level bluegrass jams you almost never find people reading anything except occasionally for lyrics.

Bluegrass also is a cultural community. By attending jams you'll also get some exposure to that. You may also want to attend some local bluegrass festivals, especially camping bluegrass festivals, where the jamming will often go all night long.

Some relatively easy bluegrass songs to learn (not in any particular order):

Old Home Place
Rolling in my Sweet Baby's Arms
Tennessee Waltz
Bury Me Beneath the Willow
Columbus Stockade Blues
Eight More Miles to Louisville

I have literally hundreds of these with chords in NNS .PDF format which we use in online jams in JamKazam, if you are interested just PM me, but again I'd encourage you not to get used to reading; instead rely on your ears. And, you can find just about any bluegrass song on YouTube.

Lastly, an extremely helpful bluegrass oriented software tool is Strum Machine... It is made to be a backing track, but you can turn various instruments -- including the double bass -- on or off and fit yourself into the music.

Best of luck with this!

-- Don
I listened to these songs you've recomended and I am realizing my taste in folk is a bit more different from bluegrass than I originally thought lol, but I think my fav song is columbus stockade blues. One song not really bluegrass but country that I learned a little bit is i walk the line by Johnny Cash. Though my taste alligns more with 'Folk Punk' or 'Alternative folk' bands like "The Bridge city sinners, Yes Ma'am, the haunted windchime, Angry Zeta, clyde and the milltailers, clover lynn and the hellfires, doom scroll, etc. Not sure if you know about any groups like this but I would love tabs for Columbus Stockade Blues if you have them! thank you so much for all the help!

 
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Here's what I have for Columbus Stockade Blues... It's a .PDF containing lyrics and chords, the chords being in NNS (Nashville Numbering System, in red above the lyrics), so that the song can be re-keyed wherever desired. I think this song is at least frequently played in G, optionally in A.

So, this brings up more questions about what you know... Are you familiar with what 1-chord, 4-chord and 5-chord means as far as double bass is concerned? (Hint: in G, G is the 1-chord, C is the 4-chord and D is the 5-chord, and those are the primary chords for this song.)

Let us know and we'll go from there. :)

Oh, and fwiw, no, I don't know those other bands. IF however you want to hear a band at the bleeding edge of bluegrass, I'd suggest watch and listen on YouTube to the Edgar Loudermilk Band: Picasso, Banks of the River, I Hope She Sings, etc... I spent a week in a workshop with Edgar teaching double bass, and he's remarkable for the instrument as well as singing and being the band's front man.
 

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Here's what I have for Columbus Stockade Blues... It's a .PDF containing lyrics and chords, the chords being in NNS (Nashville Numbering System, in red above the lyrics), so that the song can be re-keyed wherever desired. I think this song is at least frequently played in G, optionally in A.

So, this brings up more questions about what you know... Are you familiar with what 1-chord, 4-chord and 5-chord means as far as double bass is concerned? (Hint: in G, G is the 1-chord, C is the 4-chord and D is the 5-chord, and those are the primary chords for this song.)

Let us know and we'll go from there. :)
thank you so much! So far i know next to nothing about music theory or chords yet since my entire life ive played with tabs or sheet music on all instruments i dont understand much of it.
 
thank you so much! So far i know next to nothing about music theory or chords yet since my entire life ive played with tabs or sheet music on all instruments i dont understand much of it.
Sorry to tell you this, but tabs are to double bass what tenor guitars are to music: Rare and seldom used.
If you're going to play the double bass in any band that is not a symphonic band, you will have to learn chords: Their names, what notes to play under them, and their relationships to each other. It's how the other players in the band (other than drummers) will communicate.
 
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Sorry to tell you this, but tabs are to double bass what tenor guitars are to music: Rare and seldom used.
If you're going to play the double bass in any band that is not a symphonic band, you will have to learn chords: Their names, what notes to play under them, and their relationships to each other. It's how the other players in the band (other than drummers) will communicate.
yes thank you i am aware i will need to know, i just dont know how to learn it
 
Ok, so we're going to be talking about chords and notes here...

First off, chords are made up of two or more notes, typically notes that sound good together. Your double bass has strings that are tuned to E, A, D and G. As you stop those strings with your fingers, you make their sound go higher. You've been doing this in classical music all the time, and you've undoubtedly also learned to read music enough to know where the individual notes are on the double bass when you stop them.

The Nashville Numbering System (aka NNS or "Nashville") is an alternative way to convey how songs generally go in writing or in hand signals. It specifically deals with chords, but also can imply the notes that those chords are made of.

The numbers in Nashville correspond to specific notes which imply the chords those notes stand for. For example, the chord names, ignoring flats or sharps, are:

Key of A -- (1) A, (2) B, (3) C, (4) D, (5) E, (6) F, (7) G
Key of C -- (1) C, (2) D, (3) E, (4) F, (5) G, (6) A, (7) B
Key of D -- (1) D, (2) E, (3) F, (4) G, (5) A, (6) B, (7) C
Key of G -- (1) G, (2) A, (3) B, (4) C, (5) D, (6) E, (7) F
etc...

Usually with "Nashville", the 1, 4 and 5 chords for very simple bluegrass double bass, you'll just play as 2-note chords, alternating one note at a time on the beat, for as long as those notes are called for. As mentioned, the 1, 4 and 5 chords in the key of G are the G chord, the C chord and the D chord.

For Columbus Stockade Blues, the chords are all simple major chords, and these chords also follow the same pattern, they contain the 1st note, the 4th note and 5th note, making up the major triad... But as mentioned for this song on double bass you can just use the 1st note and the 5th note to make the chord.

-- So for the two-note 1 chord or G chord, on the double bass you'll want to locate and pizz the G note (the open first string), and the D note (the open second string).

-- For the two-note 4 chord or C chord, you'll want to locate the C note (for simplicity I'll just have you stop the first string at the 5th note, or C) and the G note (for simplicity I'll have you stop the second string at the 5th note, or G).

-- For the two-note 5 or D chord, you'll want to locate the D note (The open 2nd string) and the A note (the open 3rd string).

So for example In a 4/4 measure using the 1 chord, you'll play the G and D and G and D notes on the beats, for the 1 or G chord... And so on for complete measures that use the other chords.

It will be extremely rare in bluegrass for you to ever need to intentionally pizz more than one note at a time. I don't think I've ever needed to. So again, we're just talking about one note at a time, on beat.

It's really complicated trying to write this out and it may be very complicated trying to read it, but in application it's pretty simple. I'm sure you already know the notes on your fingerboard, but you probably don't know how to address them together for chords, meaning you may also need some help for fingering notes as chords. You may also want some help with your right hand for pizz.

And note, this does not talk at all about playing by ear, we'll worry about that later. This is just a simple and probably crude start-up of how to follow a Nashville Numbering System chart. And as @AGCurry has mentioned, this is not tablature. Some people may have put bluegrass tab together for double bass, but Nashville is much more commonly used... So common that it isn't unusual in bluegrass jams to have someone raising fingers indicating the Nashville chord number to play at a certain moment.

Let us know as questions come up. After looking over this modest effort to explain, I'm sure you'll have some. Bring 'em on. :D
 
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Ok, so we're going to be talking about chords and notes here...

First off, chords are made up of two or more notes, typically notes that sound good together. Your double bass has strings that are tuned to E, A, D and G. As you stop those strings with your fingers, you make their sound go higher. You've been doing this in classical music all the time, and you've undoubtedly also learned to read music enough to know where the individual notes are on the double bass when you stop them.

The Nashville Numbering System (aka NNS or "Nashville") is an alternative way to convey how songs generally go in writing or in hand signals. It specifically deals with chords, but also can imply the notes that those chords are made of.

The numbers in Nashville correspond to specific notes which imply the chords those notes stand for. For example, the chord names, ignoring flats or sharps, are:

Key of A -- (1) A, (2) B, (3) C, (4) D, (5) E, (6) F, (7) G
Key of C -- (1) C, (2) D, (3) E, (4) F, (5) G, (6) A, (7) B
Key of D -- (1) D, (2) E, (3) F, (4) G, (5) A, (6) B, (7) C
Key of G -- (1) G, (2) A, (3) B, (4) C, (5) D, (6) E, (7) F
etc...

Usually with "Nashville", the 1, 4 and 5 chords for very simple bluegrass double bass, you'll just play as 2-note chords, alternating one note at a time on the beat, for as long as those notes are called for. As mentioned, the 1, 4 and 5 chords in the key of G are the G chord, the C chord and the D chord.

For Columbus Stockade Blues, the chords are all simple major chords, and these chords also follow the same pattern, they contain the 1st note, the 4th note and 5th note, making up the major triad... But as mentioned for this song on double bass you can just use the 1st note and the 5th note to make the chord.

-- So for the two-note 1 chord or G chord, on the double bass you'll want to locate and pizz the G note (the open first string), and the D note (the open second string).

-- For the two-note 4 chord or C chord, you'll want to locate the C note (for simplicity I'll just have you stop the first string at the 5th note, or C) and the G note (for simplicity I'll have you stop the second string at the 5th note, or G).

-- For the two-note 5 or D chord, you'll want to locate the D note (The open 2nd string) and the A note (the open 3rd string).

So for example In a 4/4 measure using the 1 chord, you'll play the G and D and G and D notes on the beats, for the 1 or G chord... And so on for complete measures that use the other chords.

It will be extremely rare in bluegrass for you to ever need to intentionally pizz more than one note at a time. I don't think I've ever needed to. So again, we're just talking about one note at a time, on beat.

It's really complicated trying to write this out and it may be very complicated trying to read it, but in application it's pretty simple. I'm sure you already know the notes on your fingerboard, but you probably don't know how to address them together for chords, meaning you may also need some help for fingering notes as chords. You may also want some help with your right hand for pizz.

And note, this does not talk at all about playing by ear, we'll worry about that later. This is just a simple and probably crude start-up of how to follow a Nashville Numbering System chart. And as @AGCurry has mentioned, this is not tablature. Some people may have put bluegrass tab together for double bass, but Nashville is much more commonly used... So common that it isn't unusual in bluegrass jams to have someone raising fingers indicating the Nashville chord number to play at a certain moment.

Let us know as questions come up. After looking over this modest effort to explain, I'm sure you'll have some. Bring 'em on. :D
so basically i play the root note and the 4th of whatever chord is being played? like the E and A string over over again like in 'i walk the line' by johnny cash is in A?
 
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When I'm going to a jam, I typically don't get my instrument out of the case the first time. I like to listen and learn. Jams are pretty regional, the repertoire different for each location. So it helps to know songs they commonly play and to learn some of the standards or "rules" before starting to play. In your case, listening and watching a double bassist at work in a jam would be very helpful too.

In your classical playing, have you learned Simandl fingering for the left hand? If so, that can apply directly to bluegrass. Your right hand will be doing pizz though, and there are lots of ways people do that. I have joint issues so I keep it simple, I anchor my right thumb against the edge at the end of the fingerboard, and I put my index and middle fingers together and drag the target string toward me and against the fingerboard until I release that string for the note. That sort of flicks the string and delivers a very strong note. Some people use 1 finger per string, which is great, but my old fingers just won't do that in a double bass posture. I fingerpick a lot with banjo, but not double bass.

So, looking at chords, and from what we've already talked about, what makes an A chord, and how would you cover those positions for quick use on the double bass?
 
When I'm going to a jam, I typically don't get my instrument out of the case the first time. I like to listen and learn. Jams are pretty regional, the repertoire different for each location. So it helps to know songs they commonly play and to learn some of the standards or "rules" before starting to play. In your case, listening and watching a double bassist at work in a jam would be very helpful too.

In your classical playing, have you learned Simandl fingering for the left hand? If so, that can apply directly to bluegrass. Your right hand will be doing pizz though, and there are lots of ways people do that. I have joint issues so I keep it simple, I anchor my right thumb against the edge at the end of the fingerboard, and I put my index and middle fingers together and drag the target string toward me and against the fingerboard until I release that string for the note. That sort of flicks the string and delivers a very strong note. Some people use 1 finger per string, which is great, but my old fingers just won't do that in a double bass posture. I fingerpick a lot with banjo, but not double bass.

So, looking at chords, and from what we've already talked about, what makes an A chord, and how would you cover those positions for quick use on the double bass?
I am pretty sure what I do in orchestra is simandl since I have for example on the open D string my index finger is on the E, my middle goes to the F, and ring and pinky go to F#, as for swapping chords I have no idea how I do it I kinda just do whatever my muscle memory tells me to. I am hoping that there will be a bassist already at any jams who is willing to help me, and one thing I wanna try to do is bring some of my friends with me (guitar, accordion, ukulele, etc) or my gf (violin) or maybe my orchestra teacher (banjo) since I feel it might help my anxiety and make it feel simpler to play.
 
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OK, you're playing standard fingering 1, 2, 4. Stay with that. Of course once you get to the octave and into thumb position you start using 3 and stop using 4, but you will almost never encounter a need for this in bluegrass.

I recommend to play along with recordings. Root on beat 1, fifth on beat 3. Simple. Pay attention to the length of notes. You don't need to do anything else for a while, you're training your ear.

For the right hand you want the "jazz pizz": anchor the right thumb under the edge of the fingerboard, down low, your arm should be nearly straight. Start out with index finger only. Finger pointing down at the ground, almost parallel to the string, pluck with the heavy meat of the side of your finger. Use perceived "arm weight" to pull through the string and come to rest on the adjacent strong. Christian McBride has a video I'll identify in the next post, just emulate how he addresses the bass.
 
@turf3 's suggestions are great!

Bluegrass jams are typically very casual and welcoming. I doubt you'll feel any anxiety, nor should you need to.

That said, accordion and uke are not accepted everywhere in bluegrass, but acoustic guitar is. Amplified instruments and drums most often are not welcomed, except perhaps for basses (ie: electric, uBass, EUB) if no one has a double bass. It's one of those regional things, and also it depends on how strictly and traditionally the jam leaders interpret bluegrass. In the early bluegrass days of the late 40s and early 50s, there were bluegrass bands which did use these things, but in some places standards have evolved differently.

If your guitar is acoustic, you should have no problem, and your GF's violin, and if it's a 5-string your orchestra teachers banjo, should be fine. Otherwise I'd still encourage you to go just to listen, either leaving your instruments home or just not getting them out of the cases.

The first time is going to be all about meeting new people and seeing how the jam runs, plus if there's one there, watching the double bass player.
 
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