Double Bass Evah Pirazzi Slap Strings

An EP G over dead Spiros is a pretty nice set. Some here call it the poor man's Oliv G, but the synthetic core ain't ever gonna last being taken on and off. If you want Spiros to sound guttish let them get good and old and work on left-hand muting to blunt the notes. Some time ago a buddy sent me a video clip of his jazz duo and I've had sworn if I didn't know better that he was playing gut. It wasn't exact but it was in the neighborhood.

I contacted Pirastro and they did say they’d absolutely recommend the all synthetic Slaps for my travel bass.

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Thanks Sam, Hatey and KFS. I know, I know. I’d say, ‘ more money than brains’, but I don’t have any money either!

A year and a half is acceptable given the rigorous aspect of travel bass land, given that the sound and feel inspires. I got over a year out of Inno 140B too, touring heavily. Knew a guy that ran EP solos for a long time too.

Charlie told me when I bought it that Spiros were my friend. I hated the thin G and down the rabbit hole I went looking for a more old school vibe. Apologies to all for the slight derail here. There was some talk above about fragile windings so I wanted to chime in with the acid test version.
 
Well, this took a while as you can see earlier in this thread. I`m using the synthetic slaps now with or without plain gut involved, after trying many strings and combos with some amount of plain gut. Toughest one for me was the E of the set, I had a E.P weich or downtuned solo there for some time. Finally I tried to cranck the strings up a bit for getting rid of the sloppiness, as I remembered the E working fine with plain gut ADG and higher action.

I spent last weekend doing some bridge shaping. I got rid of the bridge wings to make it as light as possible, my experience is that I get the most " complexity of tone " out from guts and the -like ( low tension strings ) with a wingless bridge, with more low end and ease of bowing as well. The bow quiver flew away a while back too, partially for this reason. I shaped the bridge curvature and string slots able to handle both slaps and anything from plain gut G to ADG, with optimal heights for smooth and bouncy gut pizz feel and bowability. I`ve been toying with this all summer as I had allready a adjustable wingless bridge in my drawer, which is shaped for lower string heights. String heights are now G 8mm, D 10mm, A and E 12mm. This way I can go plain guts without the need to do anything for the bridge. All combos from full synthetic slaps set to plain gut ADG feel similar, with the exeption that i don`t have the right plain gut A yet. The Lenzner is too floppy and dark sounding compared to my trusty favourite DG, a ripped ex-nylon wound Pizzicato and reqular Chorda G. Those are low twist rate plain guts, tense and stiff with enourmous power and all projection and clarity one could wish for. However, I ended up with slaps EAD and Chorda G as my default combo, the slap D has some sustain but blends well in higher positions, very gut-like. If I need more conventional bowed tone I`ll switch to slap G, and if I want it really old school I`ll go plain DG, or even ADG.

So, why Evah slaps? It`s the only gut-vibe string in the market I`ve tried that plays like dream, be that pizz, arco or slap. It isn`t the loudest string to the drivers seat, but I`ve had no problem playing unamplified with drummers, horns and electronics, gigging and playing outdoors. Listening to recordings of those events bring out a nice old school double bass tone, no problems in beeing heard when played the right way. The full slaps set sounds and feels like guts and can be raised to gut heights without the feel going too heavy. They aren`t guts, but blend really well with if the string heights are right. And when they are high enough I can really get some meat under the strings without killing myself. I`ve been loving the sound of Garbos, which are as close as it gets to guts, loud as all hell, but their bowability isn`t the greatest and they rip off the skin of my fingers. Roundwound guts and Animas does this pealing thing too. Slaps ( exept the aluminum wound G ) have extremely smooth surface just as my Pirastro plain guts do. They feel really good if one is after that kind of thing, and they`re loud ENOUGH when set and played right.

So, synthetic slaps are a extremely easy playing all-around string if one is after dark old school tone and feel, be that pizz, arco or slap. The caveats are the slightly dull character and low volume to the drivers seat, which I`m partly trying to overcome with bridge shaping. Another one is fragility and especially with the G. This is one of the reasons I`m leaving the Chorda G on as I play a lot of impro stuff with all kinds of extended technique crap that surely will kill a fragile string in no time.

It took me a while but I was desperately searching for extreme projection, partly because of my hearing loss. I was relatively happy with Spiro weichs / Pirastro guts combo, but arco was a pain, wolfy as all hell, and overall feel very unbalanced. I wanted to go thumpier too but my experiences with slaps weren`t that good at the time. Yet still wound guts were a no-no and Velvets I had tried in all possible configurations without success. All this had me trying the slaps over again and it was all nailed when we started playing a lot outdoors this spring and summer with the folk band I`m in. I`ve been learning a more economical pizz technique too, trying to not overdo anything and kill the tone and my hands while at it. With a physical but relaxed touch I get enough volume to hear myself and be heard by others involved.

It`s not like wow, this is the string of all strings, but I`m happy that I finally found something I can live with musically, practically and physically. It`s more like I don`t HATE THEM ENOUGH for not using them... :D This setup fits everything I play, which is mostly acoustic folk and free impro stuff in different settings, pizz, arco and little slap. I`m also very happy that I can stop the setup wankery and start focusing in music making and practising wholeheartedly. And if I need to or feel like going more to gut direction, it`s only a string change away without the need to do anything more.

Sorry for the long post, R :)
 
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Hey all! I am still liking the full synthetic set on my bass, and I recently bought a set with the gut G&D for my son. He has a nothing special, Strunal hybrid bass and has used various strings. The last were Spiro Mittels, and frankly they didn't sound very good on the Strunal, even after being well broken in. I put on the Evah Slaps, and I think (he does too) they sound GREAT on his bass. I think the Mittels were too high tension for that bass, and the sound and projection were choked. Different basses really respond differently to different strings. Too bad it costs a fortune to experiment. Here's a clip of my son, Alex King playing on the new strings. He just got married, and recorded this the day before his wedding:


Now I’m sold! Ordering a set now!
 
... I’ve found copper-wrapped Velvet Animas and nylon-wrapped Innovation Golden Slaps worthwhile pizz and slap hybrid sets with their own good and bad qualities, but I can’t get a usable arco sound from either set. No free lunch!

I've been using Innovation SilverSlaps E and A with SBW Deluxe spiral-cut whacker D and G for the last 6-8 weeks or so with my Alcoa doing slap/pizz (90%), arco (10%) playing... According to Gollihur, the SilverSlaps are supposed to only be color-different from the GoldenSlaps you've experienced.

For slap/pizz I have only good things to say... This string combination is a natural. The Deluxe D and G have a great muted power and tone and they move a lot of air. The SilverSlaps E and A have remarkable growl and excellent note clarity, which is what I really needed there.

While the Deluxe spiral-cuts are actually very good for arco. the SilverSlaps were really arco-discouraging initially but over time they are getting better and better with the bow -- I'd consider them at least decent now for my part-time arco work. Plenty of Pops being used; it's all actually sounding pretty good.

Tone and volume on my bass are also getting better and more balanced. Not sure if that's because I'm playing differently or if the strings are aging in nicely but I'm very happy with the mix, for straight acoustic and also mic'ed and DI'ed into sound and studio systems. I've also been playing around on and off with an amp lately too, for which these strings are sounding great.

The feel of this string combination is also great for me... I play other instruments too and so can't be tearing up my fingers; the Deluxe and SilverSlap combination takes care of that, while the thickness of all of the strings is well balanced and especially pleasing.

My only question about the SliverSlaps is longevity... I'm hoping they last at least a year with my playing; so far they're doing fine, but I haven't found anyone talking about how they last for them yet.

I'm taking notes about other strings though. I'm being very tempted by the Red Diamond gut strings, and now the Evah Slaps also have my curiosity. Along with possibly Spiro Weichs or down-tuned 4/4 Solos, with the caveat that I want less metal sound on my Alcoa, not more... Lots of choices.
 
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I finally pulled these off after a year of really disliking them. I think I got an effective tone, but the experience of playing them was lousy. Thuddy and unmusical. Solos were an unpleasant slog. Very little expressive range. Put a set of Corelli 370 fortes on, which I’ve never tried before, and they are a little twangy but the tone has so much more depth and complexity. There’s actually something to work with. It’s like have a palette of colors instead of one muddy brown.

I tried, I really gave ‘em a fair shake. They were terrible on my bass. I have gig coming up soon, we’ll see if the band notices
 
I finally pulled these off after a year of really disliking them. I think I got an effective tone, but the experience of playing them was lousy. Thuddy and unmusical. Solos were an unpleasant slog. Very little expressive range. Put a set of Corelli 370 fortes on, which I’ve never tried before, and they are a little twangy but the tone has so much more depth and complexity. There’s actually something to work with. It’s like have a palette of colors instead of one muddy brown.

I tried, I really gave ‘em a fair shake. They were terrible on my bass. I have gig coming up soon, we’ll see if the band notices

My experience is also that hey are pretty one-dimensional both under the bow and pizz, and they definently have a dynamical ceiling. However, when cranked up and played with heavier hand they deliver really nice gut vibe tone with complexity on top of strong low end.
 
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I'm pretty much set on going with these to replace guts (except the G) BUT I was wondering how much more tension they have than guts? Not numbers but is it noticeable? I play wound E and plain A,D,G and I did notice more tension on Golden Slaps when I tried them.
 
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I'm pretty much set on going with these to replace guts (except the G) BUT I was wondering how much more tension they have than guts? Not numbers but is it noticeable? I play wound E and plain A,D,G and I did notice more tension on Golden Slaps when I tried them.

My favorite iteration of this set were synth. E-D, plain gut G. I think you’ll be ok tension wise. These feel pretty darn soft.
 
I'm pretty much set on going with these to replace guts (except the G) BUT I was wondering how much more tension they have than guts? Not numbers but is it noticeable? I play wound E and plain A,D,G and I did notice more tension on Golden Slaps when I tried them.

Not more tension than the wound gut E's & A's from Lenzner, Efrano, etc... definitely less than the Chordas.
The Evah Slap set tensions are in the 19kg to 22kg range and you can compare the tensions to the other Pirastro gut sets on their website.

My favorite set of all time was Efrano European Gut (from Lemur) wound E and A paired with Dlugolecki plain D & G.

-J