"Exposure bucks" are worth more than real bucks (to me) right now

A lot of the local musicians around here are talking about forming a local music mafia to bring the heat down on these folks playing for free/exposure. Might be time to knock some heads like in the old days.

(I kid, but we are all pretty frustrated because it keeps the pay down for everyone else)
 
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Does it though? I can't imagine my little original band's 45 minute free set at a benefit show is going to take away money from working pros. But maybe.

Different areas are different, I get that. Around here though, you hold out for better pay and they go find somebody that will play for free or next to nothing. Pay the same as it was twenty years ago or more.
But, maybe getting better. A local venue is now hard up to find bands. They asked about bands on Facebook and were hit by a barrage of us asking if they still have the same crappy pay.
 
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Might be time to knock some heads like in the old days.
Gotta love band on band violence. Copped some hate back when for coming from outside the scene. Played for free on the regular to help finance the end of apartheid. Still seems fair to me. And blew up on the back of that.

Nobody attacked us but we struggled to share a bill with a lot of bands. In spite of a reliably large audience.
 
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I'd rather make a connection with another cool band that we might get a gig with down the road.

based on my experience in an original band a dozen years ago, the connections you make with other bands doing a similar thing are tremendously valuable for future gigs

i would go so far as to say it’s the networking and not the exposure that is the real “pay” - assuming you pursue the connections.
 
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I think that if you’re an originals band, then Bandcamp and Youtube are better options for gaining exposure than playing some local bar for free is. I’d be more inclined to get your music decently recorded and have some good videos made. Build yourself at least some fanbase first. If people actually like your music, you’ll attract a following. Then use all that as your calling card when you pitch a venue for a slot.

Just don’t be surprised if most places aren’t interested either way. A lot depends on where you are. There’s far fewer local venues interested in promoting new bands or building an actual music scene than there used to be. And in some locales there’s no interest in doing it at all.

Luck :thumbsup:
 
An originals project I'm currently involved in but not 100% committed to atm, are planning shows next year/summer and it will be interesting to see what is on offer.
I'm not doing free shows though...
So will see how the core members spin that..
 
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I don't know why businesses think they can insult artists and call it pay. Either you have the clientele to support the cost of live music or you don't. (I've yet to be in a band where we have any kind of massive following - typically a handful of familiar faces at best - so no, I won't be packing your venue for you). I try not to set precedence so that others get paid insulting wages and I even have one venue I boycott (even though my band plays there monthly).


I was going to comment on this, but @Killing Floor did it for me.
Truth is if you don’t have a following you aren’t adding significant value to the host venue anyway so it seems a reasonable trade to play for door or tips or a few bucks.

Can you blame one party for something the other is also guilty of?
 
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A lot of the local musicians around here are talking about forming a local music mafia to bring the heat down on these folks playing for free/exposure. Might be time to knock some heads like in the old days.

(I kid, but we are all pretty frustrated because it keeps the pay down for everyone else)
This depends greatly on the venue and the band.

For example, I play every week or so in a little band of shifting personnel, playing trad jazz (think 1920s -1930s), on the sidewalk outside a grocery store that's owned by the piano player. I can positively tell you that there will be free music, or there won't be any music there at all. Should we hold out for union scale and be told "don't let the door hit ya where the Good Lord split ya"?

On the other hand, if I get a call for a rock and roll dance band in a nightclub, where people are drinking and dancing and paying for it, I would expect to get paid at least the local market going rate.

This idea that the union goons should knock heads on anyone that plays without getting paid, or getting paid union scale, is a fantasy dating from a bygone time when there was an insatiable appetite in the United States for dance music, and mechanical reproduction wasn't good enough to supply said music, and there weren't 50 other entertainment opportunities. In 1940 in Ogallala, Neb., if you were young and single and wanted to go on a date, you had two choices - go see the movie at the local theater, or go to the dance at the American Legion hall. And it was that way in thousands and thousands of small towns and small cities all over the US. With that much work to be had for dance musicians, it was actually possible to hold out for better pay (at least, some times).

Well, I have bad news for you. That was 84 years ago. The world has changed just a wee bit.
 
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Various ways to look at it.
Open mics are on 'down nights' typically and the venue pays poorly but basically the host and house band members get cut in.
Is this a loss leader for a venue that puts on music 3 times over the weekend..? if so, I think this set up is generally positive.
If that is their only musical night...hmm its cheap music night but tbf, no competition, so?

Whats probably worse, imv, is bands playing below bottom rate...which around here is $400.
But then if the band doesn't do it, the duo's are solo's will.

I think we need to up our game and work with places who are themselves discerning..
and these places are either fine eating houses or min cover charge.
 
This depends greatly on the venue and the band.

For example, I play every week or so in a little band of shifting personnel, playing trad jazz (think 1920s -1930s), on the sidewalk outside a grocery store that's owned by the piano player. I can positively tell you that there will be free music, or there won't be any music there at all. Should we hold out for union scale and be told "don't let the door hit ya where the Good Lord split ya"?

I wanted to send you a PM but the site won't let me. Could you PM me your set list, please? I would like to look into this type of band for myself. And since we're in different continents, I'm not in any way competition for your band 😁