Gigging in Canada ‘23

The air quality is very bad right now due to literally hundreds of forest fires raging in Quebec and Ontario. Something to think about. I can see the haze looking 50 yards down the street.
We're pretty smoggy from it it down here in Buffalo too. You guys stay safe up there.
 
Circa 2008... Doing a gig in Burlington Vermont. Nice paying gig as a matter of fact. It was in January, so it was cold and quite a bit of snow. Promoter offered to let us stay and hang for a couple days cause we already had a few days to kill before our next show way down in Philly. Loaded up in his Ford Excursion and rode up to his place about 45 or so mins away. Beautiful place he had. The next evening he took us to a local establishment in his quaint little town that he was a regular at and he told them we were from Nashville and were visiting. They asked if we'd play that night so we setup and did an extremely fun gig with some very excited northern folk listen to us cover some old country songs. On the way back to his house probably around 3AM, I'm in the front seat and see a sign that said Saint something on it and noticed the attached speed limit sign was in KM.... I inquired about that oddity.... We were in Canada... I don't have a passport (never have unfortunately) and have never left the country other than a tourist trip to Tajuana. Holy sh*t did my ass pucker. He didn't tell us and we didn't hit anything that resembled a "border crossing".
 
Last edited:
Took jobs sp.jpg
 
I haven't played in Canada since the '80s, but playing month long hotel agency gigs back then in BC and Alberta we were required to have a list of alll of our gear with the serial numbers. At the border the officers would photo copy ithe list and check when we returned back to the US. I guess the CAN didn't want us selling our gear. It was never an extensive search, iirc.
HAVE FUN!! Beautiful Country!! GREAT people! g00d times!!
 
That said, I just sold a nice bass -- but no CITES issues, noting rare/endangered/etc. -- and they wouldn't let it cross the border until I declared that it didn't contain Brazilian rosewood, abalone, or other rare/exotic woods or wildlife parts. YMMV
If you're going to sneak into Canada to play for money, don't post on your instagram/facebook/twitter/only fans that's what you're doing. I've heard of them scanning people's social media, including reading PMs, at the border and turning people away.
 
Disclaimer; It's been some time since I've done this and things change. The following has been my experience when crossing the Canadian borders with groups. Have never done it as a solo so this may not apply. But your Canadian employer should walk you through what you need to do, or you may not show up.

For your gear; You'll need to create a manifest or carnet of the gear you're transporting to and from Canada; Item, brand, model, serial number, country of manufacture, value. When you enter Canada, declare your gear and present this manifest to the Customs agents. They'll eyeball your stuff (to some degree) and they should stamp the manifest, showing you entering with it. You have to declare that these are professional tools that you'll be using for the work you'll be doing while in Canada, then returning to the USA with them (not importing them into and selling them in Canada, tax and duty free.) You'll need to have the paperwork detailing your employment in Canada. Sometimes you'll be required to post a bond or deposit, depending on the amount, value of gear, duration of stay, etc. There are Border Bond companies that do this. They are not cheap.

Your Canadian employer should be well versed in this stuff, should be be able to walk you through it.

Also, there are work papers, likely withholding tax forms. This is stuff that the Canadian employer should be able to provide you with or help you with.

When you return to the USA, you need to get your manifest signed off on, showing that you did bring your gear back to the US, didn't sell it in Canada. If you have to post a deposit or bond, this is how you get your dough back.

US Customs can be dicks to musicians coming back from Canada. Be forthright and polite.

How do you create the carnet? Just a typed sheet? My daughter (EU) will be in Montreal next year and is planning to take her Martin 000-15M with her, I still have the receipt.
 
Number one rule for crossing any border is that looks matter.

I always shave, put on nice clothes that cover all my tattoos and make sure that my breath is nice.

Why ?

Back in my touring days we were six smelly guys with funny haircuts and tattoos trying to entering Croatia. They didn’t care about our gear, but I had the pleasure to be one of three guys who they took to a room without a window. I had to drop my pants and underwear, bend forward and had my ahole searched.

Happy times
 
Searched and found some zombie threads - hoping for some updated info.

Got an offer to play a week at a winery in Ontario followed by a private event.

I’ve got my US passport & the fancy new passport card.

How does this work?

Any work visa / permit required? Paperwork from venue? Equipment list?

I’ll be driving - taking minimal kit, maybe two electric basses and two small combos (gotta have my TB approved backups).

Niagara resident who occasionally does local winery gigs here.

I can guarantee the winery will pay by handing you cash or a check and that's that. If you feel a need to register yourself with the tax department, apply for a visa and pay taxes, I can't help you as I've never known a winery-circuit musician to do this. it would be very very very easy to just take the envelope and not do so.

Having said that, if you try to cross the border with the amps and the basses you might have a bad time - you'll get through but they might grill you. Just tell the border guards youre playing for fun with some old buddies and not collecting payment... Canadian border services aren't that bad. If you're really worried consider just bringing your basses and getting a hold of a combo amp somehow on this side of the border - this is 1000 times easier than registering to pay taxes and applying for a visa. if you are playing in Niagara you can message me on this and I'll help you out.
 
I guess I'm still a rebellious punk. I read these posts and wondered what I'd say to customs on a bridge (if anything) about playing a gig in the border crossing English speaking country I live next to...
"Yes sir just coming up for a little R&R! What, the rig? Yeah my buddy is having a birthday and we're gonna play some tunes. Money? Heck no I'm not good enough to play for money. Ya might pay me to stop?"...
Rock n roll is about rebellion.
These are not the droids you're looking for...

 
Work in Canada temporarily - Canada.ca

You have to visit the Canadian info website that someone already shared as a link (copied above). Everything else is an opinion.

1000% this.

The situation at the border is very different from 25 years ago.

Never ever lie to a customs official. They are very good at unraveling these and have heard every story including "going to play with buddies for free". Common response to this line is that they will ask for names and phone numbers (plural) so that they can call to verify.

Take the time to do this the right way. Then if you get invited back some point you will be able to go. If you get busted in a lie (either outright or by omission) you will have wasted your time and the expense of getting ready. And, there will be a very great chance that you will never get to go back again.

Edit: For reference, I live in a border town where customs is a major industry. I cross multiple times a month for musical work in Canada, and I have friends who are customs officials on both sides of the border.. A couple of them are musicians. Go figure!

Take it from me, Do the homework, keep your story straight and don't mess with them. It means there are a few extra hoops to jump through, but in the end it will be worth it!
 
Last edited:
How do you create the carnet? Just a typed sheet? My daughter (EU) will be in Montreal next year and is planning to take her Martin 000-15M with her, I still have the receipt.
Carnet is a term that they use in shipping, I believe. It's another name for manifest, a comprehensive list of the goods. There used to be, may still be, an "official" form that you type your manifest on. This document is used by the shippers, Border Bondsmen and the Customs folk.

If your daughter is just traveling with her personal guitar, I'd think a photocopy of the receipt, if it accurately describes the instrument, would be adequate.

What they governments are worried about is importation and sale without paying proper tax or duties. They want to make sure that what comes in goes back out, or is taxed.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Bertr
I've driven into Canada multiple times. I wasn't joking, I've charmed people in at least 6 countries and somehow never ended up in a foreign jail.
I find U.S. cops and other U.S. authority figures far more humorless and intimidating. And at least 3 times (as a very young man) found myself in handcuffs and holding cells in my native state of Massachusetts. No humor. Un-charmable. Massholes lol.
And that's just the border from MA to Vermont! (MA to NH is another story involving encouraging NH State liquor sales) Re entering the U.S. from playing in Canada, in a band in a van, the US border guards actually do not believe you are American born. Everyone should have this experience at least once. It's wierd.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Jason Hollar
How do you create the carnet? Just a typed sheet? My daughter (EU) will be in Montreal next year and is planning to take her Martin 000-15M with her, I still have the receipt.

See post #44.
This document, which is available free of charge at US customs, should suffice for her needs. Having the receipt handy is not a bad idea.

This document is good in perpetuity and does not need to be renewed.
 
1000% this.

The situation at the border is very different from 25 years ago.

Never ever lie to a customs official. They are very good at unraveling these and have heard every story including "going to play with buddies for free". Common response to this line is that they will ask for names and phone numbers (plural) so that they can call to verify.

Take the time to do this the right way. Then if you get invited back some point you will be able to go. If you get busted in a lie (either outright or by omission) you will have wasted your time and the expense of getting ready. And, there will be a very great chance that you will never get to go back again.

Edit: For reference, I live in a border town where customs is a major industry. I cross multiple times a month for musical work in Canada, and I have friends who are customs officials on both sides of the border.. A couple of them are musicians. Go figure!

Take it from me, Do the homework, keep your story straight and don't mess with them. It means there are a few extra hoops to jump through, but in the end it will be worth it!

My wife and I moved from the US to Canada from 2018-2019. Crossing the border with a moving truck in tow plus a cat was not fun. When I crossed in my personal car, the agent yelled at me for having my sunglasses on. When I told him we were moving to Canada, he flat out said "you can't do that." My wife is a citizen and I had the necessary paperwork completed, so yeah dude, we can.

Long story short, it was a huge pain. When we moved back, crossing the border back into the states was a breeze. They didn't even search our car or ask us any questions, and the agent was making jokes with my wife. My wife and I later joked that we could have brought back SO much cannabis.