How to store guitars for long periods of time

Let's ask ourselves a question.....Why do so many old basses end up with too much neck relief and max'd out truss rods? They didn't leave the factory in that condition, so what happened to them? I've run into this issue so many times it isn't funny.

Here's my theory...

The neck wood changed shape over time, during the course of many temperature and humidity changes. It seems that this can even happen to older basses that were played regularly. Maybe not all wood necks are born equal, some are more rigid than others and can resist changing shape? Luck of the draw?

It's like my guitar tech buddy with 40 years of experience says whenever I bring him a bass with a screwed up neck ....."It's not a truss rod problem, it's a wood problem."
 
Woow i wasnt expecting this thread to get that many responses lol thanks guys especially about that 1 guy that said detune all your string and loose tension and the whole controversy, i guess we all have our ways of storing our precious instruments?
And it seems that some of them are flat out wrong.
 
And I say: Don't take the strings off! At all. Leave them as is. Period. Do only when doing maintenance! Your pics are demonstrating that very notion. Your pics have a top headed bullet where it is very easy to adjust truss rod, but if the adjustment is in the heel only, you bet that people will leave it, because it's too - way too - unwieldy to loosen that truss rod from that end.

(weeks, months or years depending on climate)

Yes, you said the magic words there: depending on climate. The thing is that most people doesn't think it has to do with climate, and then make up their own minds and trying to find bizarre and DIY reasons for it, that it must have been the strings tensioned up all of the time. They can't think of something else.

I challenge anyone to a double blindfold A/B test any day. Leaving a bass in it's case with all strings off and all strings on. And take them out after a year. Mind you it was that WIKI I pointed out, where it says absolutely nothing about adjust the truss rod accordingly when taking off all strings or even slacking them.

It's the same as if the neck should warp if you happen to inadvertently put lighter gauge or heavier gauge strings onto your bass and not adjusting the truss rod for perfect relief. And that something should happen in the long run with this. You can wait 10 years and think, all of a sudden "oh, this neck has a bit too much relief due to the added tension of the heavier gauge set". Belive me it will follow accordingly and adjust itself perfectly. Or the other way around, you put super slinkies on the bass for thumb slap, a 030 set, and it's buzzin but you don't notice it since you have too high action. And let it reside 10 years like that, hanging on the wall or stand mind you, not mothballed. You can detect the backbow and adjust the truss rod. What would you think if a truss rod didn't do anything? Stuck for one gauge (or really: tension) one-size-fits-all?

Now, if the adjustments doesn't do the trick then, it's only because of climate as you said, huge and fast variations in humidity/and temperature. They more often than not goes together hand in hand.

I have seen, and owned numerous old acoustic guitars without truss rod even, and they fare well. With strings on or without. They're made so sturdy and of good raw material that they wont shift whether being left with or without strings on. No truss rod to adjust at all, as it was with basically all Martins before 1989. Now, I particularly don't like guitars or basses were I can't change relief and it's set in stone what types of string you're going to use (or really:tension). I've seen archtops that I can put on 016 set (a la Pat Martino style) as well as 008 set (did it just for checking) and nothing happened to the neck at all. Even in the long run. Things made of the right stuff. They had NO truss rods, let alone adjustable.

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If you can't take off all of the strings for maintenance, and your neck is flexing back or forward to a state which it can't retract from, it's a bad bass. Or bad neck really. Use it as a dumpster find. Log on the fire. That half an hour it takes for changing strings it should be able to cope with.

The only thing that will happen with long term storage, is that the strings will still have metal fatigue, and the stress from being tuned up to pitch may cause them to snap, given long enough time, without touching them. 4 years 10 years. Strings have shelf life too you know. Past date.
 
Too many variables, climate, condition of the wood maybe even quality.
I have purchased dozens of "closet" guitars over the years and 90% of them had arched necks, funny thing is that I never got one with a back bow. So based on that I would have to say loosening the strings is not a bad idea and something I practice.
 
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What's the deal with not storing the cases flat? I"m not saying it's wrong, I just don't get what difference it would make

I think that suggestion pertains to multiple instruments: You probably don't want to stack several basses all lying flat, one on top of the other (like a bread/meat/cheese/lettuce/bread sandwich) because, among other things, some hardshell cases aren't rigid enough to prevent excess weight on their tops from compressing until the case touches & puts pressure on the instrument inside. When these multiple basses in cases are arranged vertically side-by-side (like suits in a closet) there's no danger of that. If we're just talking about a single instrument I don't think it matters.

But what da hell do I know?
 
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You have it exactly backwards. Good luck with that.
I'll go with the physics and be just fine, thank you.

I think you guys maybe are forgetting it isn’t just the strings that are affected... if the instrument gets warmer and expands, the strings will go sharp. If the instrument gets cold and shrinks, the strings will go flat. The metal strings are far less susceptible to temperature change than the wooden instrument they are attached to. But in any case humidity is the main factor, imo of course...
 
Well, i noticed that when i take Bass from the Case when temperature is 20C (68F), my tuner shows about 5-6 Cents above 440Hz for A String, and when i put my Hands on Strings to transfer some heat into them for 10-15 seconds, tuner shows Bass is in tune.
To me, thats logical, heat expands materials

This has always been my experience. Take bass out in the cold weather and when you initailly tune it's a few cents sharp. Rub you hands on the strings for a minute and it returns to tune.
 
This has always been my experience. Take bass out in the cold weather and when you initailly tune it's a few cents sharp. Rub you hands on the strings for a minute and it returns to tune.

I'd suggest sprinkling some pixie dust, or maybe just leave a few magic beans in the case.
 
What's the deal with not storing the cases flat? I"m not saying it's wrong, I just don't get what difference it would make
I would believe that if you have sturdy flightcases you can stack the up quite many before it's hazardous to the one farthest below. A soft gig bag, and most "hardshell" cases bows and flexes in the middle, should be avoided. But if you have one underneath the bed, it's little to worry about, and I doubt that you can put anything on top of it before the bed jinxes...especially when hump ... :whistle:
 
I think that suggestion pertains to multiple instruments: You probably don't want to stack several basses all lying flat, one on top of the other (like a bread/meat/cheese/lettuce/bread sandwich) because, among other things, some hardshell cases aren't rigid enough to prevent excess weight on their tops from compressing until the case touches & puts pressure on the instrument inside. When these multiple basses in cases are arranged vertically side-by-side (like suits in a closet) there's no danger of that. If we're just talking about a single instrument I don't think it matters.

But what da hell do I know?

I would believe that if you have sturdy flightcases you can stack the up quite many before it's hazardous to the one farthest below. A soft gig bag, and most "hardshell" cases bows and flexes in the middle, should be avoided. But if you have one underneath the bed, it's little to worry about, and I doubt that you can put anything on top of it before the bed jinxes...especially when hump ... :whistle:

Thanks guys. I think I had missed the stacking part. I do have a stack of empty hardshell cases, and yeah, I can tell that some of the ones on the bottom flex a little, and that is without having another 60 pounds of instruments in them.
 
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Do you know that empty original hardshell cases can warp too? The tweed ones? They're not made of wood, they're made of .... paper.

EDIT: I mean, you DO stack empty hardshell cases on top of each other, since there's nothing inside to take care of or be wary of.