Jason Newsted Metallica Auditions Appreciation

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Major_Rager_4MF said:
In case you haven't heard...And Justice for Jason. Totally new experience with bass!
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i didnt listen, but those are all just someone added bass to it, right?

these are jasons actual bass tracks, from guitar hero or whatever game it was. i did add an a bit extra grit to his tone, but these are all jason:

http://savagedreams.com/danikkmixes/And_Justice_for_All_daNikkmix-01-Blackened.mp3
http://savagedreams.com/danikkmixes/And_Justice_for_All_daNikkmix-02-And_Justice_for_All.mp3
http://savagedreams.com/danikkmixes/And_Justice_for_All_daNikkmix-03-One.mp3
http://savagedreams.com/danikkmixes/And_Justice_for_All_daNikkmix-04-The_Shortest_Straw.mp3
http://savagedreams.com/danikkmixes/And_Justice_for_All_daNikkmix-05-Dyers_Eve.mp3
 
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andruca said:
I'm probably gonna get some hate for this but I don't dig Cliff Burton at all, neither his sound nor his playing which I occasionally even find sloppy and usually just getting in the way if your aim is a heavy sound. Jason OTOH is my fave Metallica bass guy, SO solid, heavy and low, like a metal bass player should be. All that said, I'd still love having Cliff around in Metallica if a scenario such as this was possible, I'd of course choose the lesser evil...



In Rex Brown's "Official truth, 101 proof: the inside story of Pantera" the guy specifically mentions asking Lars Ulrich where was the bass in Justice and Lars telling him openly it was a move to screw up the new kid. And that's how Lars Ulrich looked to me since the minute I saw the closing credits to "Some kind of monster" rolling, you know, the kind of guy who would wreck his own album to prove his point/power.
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bassbully said:
Never been a fan of this band but would of loved to of had this gig...easy money play what you want nobody hears it anyways.
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The first quote is just one nice part as to why I honestly wouldn't have wanted to fill Cliff's spot. The band hazed Jason like an absolute mofo, to the point where he agreeably felt like a permanent black sheep. There aren't many people who could've/would've endured what Jason did, let alone be humble about it to this day. I'm sure the money, though, that Jason made (and will always make) from Metallica, has probably contributed to that attitude!

Jason was an extremely tight and dedicated player, who only wanted music then...not stardom, not a wife and kids, etc. I think he was the only guy that tried doing little side projects, when Metallica was at it's commercial prime...clearly not the attitude of a rockstar. He got bashed for being the new guy, and after that, just for being a dedicated musician. I was in a really good band for almost 5 years, and those guys never truly accepted me, simply because I was all about the music, and didn't relate to their other parts of life (kids, family stuff, marriage, etc). I'm 39, and never have had kids or a wife (didn't want to), simply because I live for music. Pretty stupid as to how people will rule you out, just because you hold true to wanting simplicity in life, and/or being an "oddball".
 
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andruca said:
I'm probably gonna get some hate for this but I don't dig Cliff Burton at all, neither his sound nor his playing which I occasionally even find sloppy and usually just getting in the way if your aim is a heavy sound. Jason OTOH is my fave Metallica bass guy, SO solid, heavy and low, like a metal bass player should be. All that said, I'd still love having Cliff around in Metallica if a scenario such as this was possible, I'd of course choose the lesser evil....
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Who knows if Cliff even would have stuck around if the accident never happened? It's clear James & Lars were getting ready to send the band in a commercial direction. Lars has said that there's no way Cliff would have had anything to do with the black album. It goes against everything Cliff was about.
 
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mattattack187 said:
Who knows if Cliff even would have stuck around if the accident never happened? It's clear James & Lars were getting ready to send the band in a commercial direction. Lars has said that there's no way Cliff would have had anything to do with the black album. It goes against everything Cliff was about.
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Actually they considered firing Lars after the Puppets tour :-)
 
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I watched "Hired Gun" yesterday and it had me thinking of the difference between how Jason describes his audition with the band and the way Robert was treated. Jason says he was paid like a temp for a year before getting membership, and if I recall, the winner of the bass spot during the last round of auditions was more like winning the sweepstakes. A million dollar signing bonus with a path to membership up front. It changed Robert's life in an instant.

Robert chose "Battery" as an audition piece, which IIRC seemed to surprise the band a little. I also remember when the three were comparing their notes and making their choice, Lars talked about how Robert could keep up playing with fingers like Cliff. They were still thinking about Cliff as an ideal.

The Jason interview in Hired Gun is pretty interesting. He never puts down the band, but he does talk about the hostility from the audience just because he wasn't Cliff, and what impossible shoes those were to fill. All he could do was stand his ground and be who he was. Later in the film, Brad Gillis compares Jason's dilemma with his own. He was hired as the guitarist to fill in for the remaining tour dates after Randy Rhodes was killed. It takes a professional, mentally tough musician which both of them are.
 
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consectaneus said:
I watched "Hired Gun" yesterday and it had me thinking of the difference between how Jason describes his audition with the band and the way Robert was treated. Jason says he was paid like a temp for a year before getting membership, and if I recall, the winner of the bass spot during the last round of auditions was more like winning the sweepstakes. A million dollar signing bonus with a path to membership up front. It changed Robert's life in an instant.

Robert chose "Battery" as an audition piece, which IIRC seemed to surprise the band a little. I also remember when the three were comparing their notes and making their choice, Lars talked about how Robert could keep up playing with fingers like Cliff. They were still thinking about Cliff as an ideal.

The Jason interview in Hired Gun is pretty interesting. He never puts down the band, but he does talk about the hostility from the audience just because he wasn't Cliff, and what impossible shoes those were to fill. All he could do was stand his ground and be who he was. Later in the film, Brad Gillis compares Jason's dilemma with his own. He was hired as the guitarist to fill in for the remaining tour dates after Randy Rhodes was killed. It takes a professional, mentally tough musician which both of them are.
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OMG! I watched that yesterday absolutely loved it
Agree with what you say, suprised nothing about Bob Daisley or Zakk Wydle but you cant get everyone
 
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consectaneus said:
I watched "Hired Gun" yesterday and it had me thinking of the difference between how Jason describes his audition with the band and the way Robert was treated. Jason says he was paid like a temp for a year before getting membership, and if I recall, the winner of the bass spot during the last round of auditions was more like winning the sweepstakes. A million dollar signing bonus with a path to membership up front. It changed Robert's life in an instant.

Robert chose "Battery" as an audition piece, which IIRC seemed to surprise the band a little. I also remember when the three were comparing their notes and making their choice, Lars talked about how Robert could keep up playing with fingers like Cliff. They were still thinking about Cliff as an ideal.

The Jason interview in Hired Gun is pretty interesting. He never puts down the band, but he does talk about the hostility from the audience just because he wasn't Cliff, and what impossible shoes those were to fill. All he could do was stand his ground and be who he was. Later in the film, Brad Gillis compares Jason's dilemma with his own. He was hired as the guitarist to fill in for the remaining tour dates after Randy Rhodes was killed. It takes a professional, mentally tough musician which both of them are.
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To be clear, it was not a million dollar signing bonus, it was stated as an advance. Still very nice, but not at all the same.
 
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tycobb73 said:
Cliff wasn't a thrash guy. Lars talked about how cliff had all these classic rock records while the others were into motorhead. A magazine republished an interview just before his death. They asked him what his favorite thrash bands were. He said he didn't listen to thrash and was into a little known band from Atlanta called REM.
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I've always thought that Cliff's playing was largely informed by late 60s and 70s arena hard rock. His playing really wasn't what you'd call prototypical metal bass playing that you'd hear from someone like Greg Christian, Dave Ellefson, or later with Jason. That always gave Metallica a bit more of a blues base in its earlier output (e.g., there's a lot of blues-based hard rock happening on Kill 'Em All with the pentatonic-based riffs). Ironically, they really got bluesy in the Load era. Jason was certainly the right player at the right time in Metallica's career. He's such a great player. It really is a shame that he got artistically snubbed so much.
 
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Low84 said:
Lars... that guy should not be allowed to call the shots in a recording studio... ever again.

Multiple friends of mine who work/worked in the recording business have told me a tale that has made its way around the industry... apparently after the sessions for Load and Reload, there was so much digital editing done to Lars' drum tracks to get them on the right rhythms, the band earned the nickname ProToolica by all involved.
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I know it's fashionable to bash Lars, but what you told said doesn't surprise me one bit. I've never seen Metallica live in person, but I've seen so many of their live recordings where Lars is all over the place on both tempo and pocket/feel. The man needs a click track like a fishing rod needs a line. Any bassist who can play with him either has the patience of a saint or really loves the Metallica paycheck.
 
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consectaneus said:
I watched "Hired Gun" yesterday and it had me thinking of the difference between how Jason describes his audition with the band and the way Robert was treated.
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Those were auditions for two totally different Metallica's, Jason auditioned for a Metallica that was upcoming in the metal scene (nowhere near mainstream) and Robert auditioned for one of the biggest selling bands in the world :woot:
 
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consectaneus said:
OK. That's what happens when I post from memory. I'm surprised I got the million dollars part right.
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Lol no dude I think you got exactly the impression they were trying to give "we're giving you a million dollars, aren't we so generous" not "here's your pay for the next 3 years, don't expect another penny until you earned a million" haha. Just another hired gun?
 
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