NBD: Ibanez Talman TMB30 short scale

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I've become a short scale convert and have been hankering for something to deliver a P-bass sound in a smaller package. I decided on the Ibanez Talman TMB30 and received it from my local music shop yesterday afternoon.
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After a doing a set-up, I spent a couple of hours playing it, and I'm delighted! It's well made, looks sharp, plays comfortably, and sounds good.

Build: It's light, somewhere around 7.6 lbs; there is a bit of neck dive (feels like a heavy neck mated with a light body), but it's not a big deal at all, and all the hardware is just fine as is. The neck has a pleasant light satin finish (almost an 'unfinished finish,' if that makes sense). The frets are well dressed, with not a sharp edge to be found. I'd call the neck profile semi-chunky, which feels very comfy to me.

Electronics: The pickups are quite bright, which one might view as a positive or a negative. The P pickup is throaty and punchy. The J pickup is strong enough to hang with the P, and they offer a clean modern tone together that I rather like. The J sounds solid, if not very interesting, on its own.

The pots are topped with little Jazz knobs. The tone and volume controls interact a bit strangely--with certain volume settings, the tone control can also turn down the volume. In the end, though, they do what they're supposed to do: dial in a variety of tones.

UPDATE: The J pickup volume pot developed an irritating short (faulty component), so I replaced the wiring harness with 250K master volume and tone controls and a pickup switch (which I prefer to the dual volume setup, but that's just me). That also resolved the tone/volume interaction issue.

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Aesthetics: Ibanez calls the color Ivory, but Butter is more like it. Or maybe Antique Ivory, if one wants to sound fancier. But it ain't white, for sure. (The photos on the Ibanez site are accurate--there's a stronger yellow tint than my photos are showing.) It's an attractive design, and I appreciate that it has an original look (even the unusual headstock). Also, it fits in a regular guitar gig bag.

Strings: .045-.105, with silver ball ends and black silks on both ends. Other than needing to be broken in, they sound and feel like decent nickel plated rounds.
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So these are my two basses; the Talman is a nice complement to my Hofner CT; between the two, I have a wide tonal palate at my disposal. It's kind of astounding that one can buy such a solid instrument for $179. I've spent some time with the Fender P/J Mustang, and the Talman doesn't come across as being a whopping 400 bucks cheaper. Sure, a few things could be modded/upgraded, but not out of necessity; other than needing a set-up, it's totally ready to go out of the box--even the strings!

UPDATE: It's also true that an electronics upgrade could take this from being a really good bass for the price to being a really good bass, period.

In short (get it?), if you're looking for a production short scale, this one merits consideration.
 
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Thanks for the review! It looks like this is a strong contender against the Jaguar SS which is so far the best buy in a SS bass. I think that TMB30 neck is a bit wider though. Is it?
A strong contender indeed! Yes, the neck is wider than the Squier, more P-bass than J-bass.

Neck Dimensions

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Scale : 762mm/30"
a : Width 41mm at NUT
b : Width 62mm at 20F
c : Thickness 21.5mm at 1F
d : Thickness 24.5mm at 12F
Radius : 240mmR
 
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For cryin out loud.... I just bought a bass yesterday. Don't do this to me. It's not cool.
Wait, don't you already have a TMB100? If not, consult your 'justifications for buying a new bass' thread. Also, the TMB30 costs less than some pedals. And I managed to pick mine up on a trade, so you could do the ol' one in, out out thing.

Sorry, I'm probably not helping.
 
Wait, don't you already have a TMB100? If not, consult your 'justifications for buying a new bass' thread. Also, the TMB30 costs less than some pedals. And I managed to pick mine up on a trade, so you could do the ol' one in, out out thing.

Sorry, I'm probably not helping.
:) I had a TMB300, which I loved but it was too heavy. A couple of weeks ago I was looking for some GAS for a light bass... where were you then!?!??

The itch for a new bass got bad and I bought a Jazz that I always wanted anyhow. I forgot these short scale TMBs existed, or it would have been a done deal. I had 20% off coupons w Musiciansfriend I could have used too :). The TMB would have cost me $145! Oh hwell.... I have about $50 in Backstage pass money at MF now. Next time I get a 20% off coupon I'll be able to pick one up for inder $100 :).

That'll be an easy one to justify.

Congrats on the new bass by the way. It looks awesome!
 
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I just ordered one of these to compliment my old Ibanez EB-3 copy that I have tuned as a bass mandolin. Wanted to have a bass strung in the Standard EADG rather than the GDAE I have on the EB-3 but still staying in the SS neck length. Can't wait, ordered the same color (Ivory) from Sweetwater!
 
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Got my bass today. Almost flawless, the only thing I saw was a tiny bit of overspray on one of the neck bolts in the back, otherwise it was in great shape, almost in tune. I had to adjust the intonation slightly on two strings but it did not need much. There is a slight fret buzz if you pluck aggressively, but you would never hear it playing slap bass, or playing gently. Odd content on page 3 of the owners manual, they say they ship the basses tuned GDAE. WHAT?!?! That would be tuned like a mandolin! I don't think you could use a normal set of bass strings and tune it in GDAE, the 4th string would be 5 whole steps above where it is supposed to be. Strange. As far as the bass goes, you get a lot for your money. I would have loved to find a cheap guitar this good when I was young. For my purposes, noodling in the basement, doing a few recordings, learning, it is vastly more than adequate. Great range of tones and the strings that come on it aren't bad at all. The pickups have plenty of output for me and the instrument puts my old EB-3 copy to shame. I think I'll put flatwounds on it and turn it back into a mudthumper bass. Now I'm tempted to get the Ibanez with the scale of 28.6 and turn THAT into my bass mandolin instead of the EB-3! I got the Ivory color, I would call it aged Ivory, very deep cream. I can see why they are selling lots of these, very nice components, nice build quality and nice finish. Very happy at this point.
 
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@Mike Furbee, congrats on the new bass! I'm guessing GDAE is just EADG written from high to low...although your Mikro bass mando idea is intriguing...
You are probably right, the Japanese do things differently. I have already had the EB-3 tuned that way for years, but I'm thinking that Mikro might even be better. Fun to use it as a bass mandolin on Celtic stuff in the familiar mandolin/fiddle fingerings.
 
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Here's an update, a month into owning the bass:

As is often the case with inexpensive basses, the electronics are the weak point.

Granted, if the bridge pickup volume pot hadn't developed a short, I might not have replaced the wiring. But since I happen to like the three-way switch better than the dual volume set-up, it worked out for me.

As for the pickups, I've long wanted a P-bass sound, and this delivered it (plus other tones), which was very exciting. However, the honeymoon ended pretty quickly. The stock pickups are just too bright for me, and lacking some depth. This was noticeable at home (especially when playing the Talman back to back with my Hofner CT) and in a rehearsal, where the bass lacked some of the authority and musicality I'm used to with my Hofner.

So I started looking at aftermarket pickups (what an overwhelming consumer experience!). A great find on the TB classifieds cut through all the noise: someone was selling a set of Fender Mustang PJ pickups. Since I'm familiar with (and like) that bass, and the price was right, it was a no-brainer.

The only catch when installing them was that the J pickup route on the Talman was a smidge too short. It wasn't too difficult to scrape and sand out a couple of extra millimeters, and the new J pickup popped in. (Luckily, the screw tab routes lined up properly.) So with the the Mustang PJ pickups and a three-way selector, I have a Talman body with Mustang guts, and it's great!

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The before/after contrast is stark: the new pickups offer more depth, complexity, sweetness, and nuance. They respond better to the tone control, with more tonal variation along the sweep than the stock pickups. In short, they sound more musical. My wife commented that it "sounds like a more expensive bass." So we're not talking about a subtle change that only bass tone nerds can appreciate.

In the end, my 'it's ready to go out of the box' assessment above is still reasonable for a beginning player or for more casual jamming and playing at home, but for more serious playing/gigging, I think a pickup upgrade is worth considering. Now, the sound is on par with the build.
 
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Another, slightly different follow-up...

I've been using my TMB30 for about 6 months now. Having owned a Squier Jag SS in the past, for me at least this is a better axe at a better price ($170 vs $200). When you're looking at an under-$200 bass one cannot be too critical unless said bass has some sort of fatal flaw. I've had a bunch of cheap basses and this is the best of the lot, IMHO.

My main player is a Gibson SG Standard, which is NOT a cheap bass. The TMB30 has a mahogany body like the SG and the neck profile (and scale length) is very similar to that on the SG (both have 1.6" nut widths), which means going back and forth between the two is pretty effortless. Additionally, it means that I have an inexpensive backup that also happens to be a PJ, in the event I need that tone. The SG is a better bass for sure, but it's not 5 times better. And, I like the fact that the TMB30 has a 2+2 headstock like the SG as the iconic 4-in-line headstock pattern is just plain goofy looking in my book, and a neck-dive enabler to boot. Yeah, I know, it's just my opinion.

I agree with Fermata that the pickups are bright. I would say almost, but not quite too bright. I can set the amp to cut some of the treble for use with finger plucking but on some songs where I use a pick I have to roll the tone knob almost all the way back. Different pickups would no doubt help but it would probably double the cost of the bass. Since mine is a backup bass for the most part I'll just leave it alone for now.

I think (again, IMHO) that the TMB30 has indeed surpassed the Squier Jag SS as the current best entry level short scale bass on the market.
 
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I've had a bunch of cheap basses and this is the best of the lot, IMHO.

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I agree with Fermata that the pickups are bright. I would say almost, but not quite too bright. I can set the amp to cut some of the treble for use with finger plucking but on some songs where I use a pick I have to roll the tone knob almost all the way back. Different pickups would no doubt help but it would probably double the cost of the bass. Since mine is a backup bass for the most part I'll just leave it alone for now.
I agree, the bang for the buck ratio is ridiculously high. The other night, I was playing my Irish low whistle, which is essentially two feet of aluminum tubing, and I was thinking how strange that it was the same price as the Talman.

And I'm with you on aftermarket pickups--when I went looking for a set, not doubling the price of the bass was one of my goals (so the $47 I spent was just right). And of course, string choice is always the most important mod. I got this bass, in part, so I could have one strung with rounds, but even with the new pickups, I've just ordered a set of flats. I suppose rounds aren't my thing, after all.

Glad you're enjoying yours--I'm having fun with mine, too!
 
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I have just taken delivery of my TMB30, and am amazed that they can make a bass this good for $329 (Australian). The only cheaper bass I've ever bought was my first one (bought in 1981) which cost $220. However, $220 was a lot of money in 1981, and the bass was horrible.
 
I owned this bass for a short period ( over the course of a week) and could not bond with the active EQ and controls. That was a big issue for me however it didn't detract one iota from the quality overall for the cost, amazing value in fact. Your mod sounds interesting, just might have to revisit the TMB30. I like short scale. My first bass, 50 some odd years ago, was a Framus Star SS (149 model) . I currently have a Hoffner Ignition and a Hofner Travel. After reading your post and your mod a TMB 30 might be up for a repurchase. Great review
 
I owned this bass for a short period ( over the course of a week) and could not bond with the active EQ and controls. That was a big issue for me however it didn't detract one iota from the quality overall for the cost, amazing value in fact. Your mod sounds interesting, just might have to revisit the TMB30. I like short scale. My first bass, 50 some odd years ago, was a Framus Star SS (149 model) . I currently have a Hoffner Ignition and a Hofner Travel. After reading your post and your mod a TMB 30 might be up for a repurchase. Great review

The TMB30 doesn't have an active EQ, although I believe the long scale Talmans do. I had a Framus Star for a while too. Lovely thuddy tone, but it always felt too flimsy for me to take it anywhere.
 
The TMB30 doesn't have an active EQ, although I believe the long scale Talmans do. I had a Framus Star for a while too. Lovely thuddy tone, but it always felt too flimsy for me to take it anywhere.

Perhaps it was active pick ups. It was 9v of something. It was also the first active "whatever" I have played. I'm on old guy, 4 string, passive, not that a 5 and active could not become aquired taste. I found the Hofner Ignition BB w/flats very similar to the Star in both thud and narrow neck.
 
Perhaps it was active pick ups. It was 9v of something. It was also the first active "whatever" I have played. I'm on old guy, 4 string, passive, not that a 5 and active could not become aquired taste. I found the Hofner Ignition BB w/flats very similar to the Star in both thud and narrow neck.

Yeah, I'm an old guy too, and still have a soft spot for semi-hollows with flat wound strings.