People who lie to sell basses

#221
Your topic title referenced people who lie. That’s the part I focused on. I really didn’t mean any harm by stating that everyone lies. Perhaps I should have said that you may need to read between the lines or further investigate the item you’re interested in before making a purchase or trade. Offending you was not my intent.
 
#222
Neal Brakey said:
I have noticed for some time now that when people try to sell or trade a bass with you they will say it was their "Favorite" or "the best bass I have ever owned" or "been my main player" just to name a few
I mainly noticed it when I made a dumb trade giving away my at Music Man Stingray for a Carvin LB70.
The day after I made that trade the guy put that same music man bass on craigslist, raised the price to 1300 and said "One of the best basses I ever had" it has yet to sell, but I sure have started noticing people use those terms more often, it makes it hard to believe people sometimes.
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It may be true, though.
 
#224
Maynjo said:
I got sniped last minute on a beautiful Roscoe that was selling on eBay. The winner ended up getting it for around 1700(a great price). He then listed it a few days later for 2700. It's still there. Highly doubt he's going to sell it for anywhere near that much. It just really pisses me off because I actually wanted to play it. This guy outbid me last minute just to try and flip it. It's probably just sitting in a closet now.
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Maybe you should've bid more?
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I bought a brand new Roscoe 7 string for a ridiculous price on ebay (ridiculous... I couldn't believe I won) because no one bid more than my admittedly seriously lowball bid. I didn't not resell it for anywhere near what I paid for it. The problem with that is...?
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On the topic of lying by saying something is the best that you've had/played/ whatever, it is hardly impossible for that not to be true. I sold the best Fodera 5 I've come across after owning it for a couple of years. For my own reasons. It was still the best Fodera 5 I've played.

I did keep my Contrabass.
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The obvious question in my mind is, who gives a hoot if it was the best xyz someone has played? What real bearing does that have on anything? And who cares if someone flips something for a profit? If you don't like it, next time beat everyone else to the punch and do what the person who ended up with it below market value did. Otherwise... it would seem that if you were a real potential buyer you would've.
 
#225
dan1952 said:
It's not any of your business what the buyer does with it after he buys it. If you really wanted it you should have bid more. The eventual buyer had a price in mind that he would not have gone over. If you had outbid him, you would have won the auction. That's how it works!
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Exactly. I even extend that attitude to things I sell. What you do with it afterwards is your business. It is no longer mine. If I have feelings about it I probably should've kept it... but I didn't.
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#226
gjohnson441496 said:
If your wife ask you “does this dress make me look fat?” and you say “no”, when in reality it makes her look fat, that is a lie and you’re doing your wife a disservice. Furthermore, if you say you don’t or have never lied you’re doing yourself a disservice. It’s human nature to lie. It not only involves the verbal action. Fudging the truth in any form, verbally or actively is a lie. Any deviation from truth is lying. There’s nothing wrong with accepting the fact that as humans it’s in our nature to look out for number one, by any means necessary. It’s ok! :)
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Bit of a college debating trick this, making a definition so over-inclusive so as to make it relevant only for rhetorical, rather than meaningful discussion. The point of the 'fat dress' statement was to show (as indicated by referring to it as "not significant") that these sorts of 'lies' aren't the ones that matter here. The lies that do matter here are those where someone intentionally deceives another solely for the former's benefit without regard for potential harm which may come to the latter. I doubt you're not able to see how trivializing the definition makes the discussion meaningless in the context of the OP's concern.

"...as humans it’s in our nature to look out for number one, by any means necessary."

Ayn Rand and Thomas Hobbes gone amok. Both are well past their due date. Fortunately, it's not how all of us think or behave (with evidence from psychology, neuroscience and sociology to show otherwise)...despite your apparent conviction that you know how all folks think and behave.

To the OP,

I apologize for straying from your original question. To that I'll say that the folks on TB with whom I've done business have been uniformly straight up. I'd be reasonably confident that most TBers are not "look(ing) out for number one, by any means necessary". Some, however, do. I'd take notice of that.
 
#227
Neal Brakey said:
I have noticed for some time now that when people try to sell or trade a bass with you they will say it was their "Favorite" or "the best bass I have ever owned" or "been my main player" just to name a few
I mainly noticed it when I made a dumb trade giving away my at Music Man Stingray for a Carvin LB70.
The day after I made that trade the guy put that same music man bass on craigslist, raised the price to 1300 and said "One of the best basses I ever had" it has yet to sell, but I sure have started noticing people use those terms more often, it makes it hard to believe people sometimes.
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Neal Brakey said:
Maybe, but I didn't know about this forum before then.
I don't harp on my past bad trade, but I felt the need to ask this question.
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Here in lies the problem, you actually never asked a question in your OP. You just called the people putting these types of statements in their ads, liars. You also are clearly harping on your bad trade, otherwise why would you be on here pissed off that the guy was selling his Stingray for $1300? Especially since we know that you can't sell your Carvin for any amount.
 
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#229
kbuschmann said:
The point of the 'fat dress' statement was to show (as indicated by referring to it as "not significant") that these sorts of 'lies' aren't the ones that matter here.
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I believe that all lies matter. The fact that this thread has gone 12 pages is proof of that. The op now has significant distrust of buying or trading because of his experience which he, at least in part, believes was based on a lie. The person he traded with could have been telling the truth but saw an opportunity that he/she could take advantage of for profit. Bottom line is, once a person feels like they've been screwed there's less of a chance it'll happen again because that person will be more careful in their decision making.

kbuschmann said:
Fortunately, it's not how all of us think or behave (with evidence from psychology, neuroscience and sociology to show otherwise)...despite your apparent conviction that you know how all folks think and behave.
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It's not that I know how all folks think and behave. It's just that I don't trust anyone. Humans are subject to all sorts of behavior depending on the situation. I start off with distrust and hope for the best. In my opinion it's foolish to do otherwise. We've been on this planet too long to believe otherwise. We don't live in peace. We live in war and in strife and in contention. We gather together in packs based on theologies and ideologies we've created. We hate and distrust people based on generational biases. That being said, there are good people in the world. There's just not enough of them.
 
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pcake said:
i hope i am. at the very least i don't lie when selling anything...
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