PF50 and Barefaced 410 cab?

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Bertone said:
What do you think, would a pf50 be loud enough using a Barefaced 410 cab for the following application: band rehersal (medium loud rock band, drums, guitar and bass) + gigs (PA supported)? Or best to get a bigger amp, ex V4B?

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Those guys are wrong.

The v4b breaks up far easier than the 50t. Therefore, the pf50t gets you clean, louder.

It should be more than enough through a 410. Although, I'd get two 210s, and stack them vertically.

410 cabs have a very narrow projection. If you aren't standing directly in front of them, they sound muffled.



But, the v4b is a better sounding amplifier. Regardless.
 
#22
gtirard said:
No, twice as loud would be + 10 db.
+ 3 db is only slightly louder

+ 1 db is a barely audible difference, so PF-50 + BF410 is pratically identically loud as a PF350 + PF-112HLF

It's hard to answer your question because we don't know what is a "medium loud rock band". It could work if you on the lower side of medium loud, and it would be slightly better with a VB4.

It also depend on your EQ, it could be OK if you play with a lot of mids, but you would struggle if you want a very bassy tone.
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There is no single 12" speaker that could ever be as loud as a 410 cab.

That 12 would be in pieces in the trash.


Those ratings are not; rated power @ full tone.
 
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Bertone said:
What do you think, would a pf50 be loud enough using a Barefaced 410 cab for the following application: band rehersal (medium loud rock band, drums, guitar and bass) + gigs (PA supported)? Or best to get a bigger amp, ex V4B?

Thanks!
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el murdoque said:
It's a tight fit. Could be just enough or it could fall just short of the line.
Depending on your tonal goals. If you want deep lows and a clean sound, forget it.
When you go for more of a mid heavy sound, have no low B string to cater for, and don't mind a little distortion from an amp that's pushed hard, you could be golden.
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Good point. A 50 watt amp pushing a 410 cab mean each speaker is getting a tad more than 12 watts. IMO, that’s not enough to move a serious amount of air. I agree that with a flatter EQ it might be heard.
 
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Im gonna go out on a limb and say no that is not enough wattage. I wouldn't using any tube head under 100watts, especially if there's a drummer and electric guitarist involved. Like I don't know how much clean headroom you require but even a v4b (I only have experience with old ones, can't speak to the reissues) doesn't have enough clean headroom for my taste.
 
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JeezyMcNuggles said:
There is no single 12" speaker that could ever be as loud as a 410 cab.

That 12 would be in pieces in the trash.


Those ratings are not; rated power @ full tone.
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This is comparing apples to oranges: the comment wasn't to use a 1x12 vs. a 4x10, it was that pf50 with this very efficient 4x10 would be about as loud as a much more powerful amp running through a cab that it would be commonly matched with. It's a point of reference, because otherwise these are just numbers that have no context. If you think that a pf350 with a 1x12 wouldn't be loud enough, then the pf50 with a 4x10 won't be either.
 
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dbsfgyd1 said:
Good point. A 50 watt amp pushing a 410 cab mean each speaker is getting a tad more than 12 watts. IMO, that’s not enough to move a serious amount of air. I agree that with a flatter EQ it might be heard.
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The original SVT's only pushed about 17 watts per speaker (you used 2 810's to handle the power). If I'm following your logic correctly, they must not have been very loud.
 
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Lots of interesting perspectives here.

This statement was surprising to me, is this true?:

"The v4b breaks up far easier than the 50t. Therefore, the pf50t gets you clean, louder."
 
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dbsfgyd1 said:
That’s about 50% more wattage into 100% more speakers…. The SVT was around 300 watts which would have been 37 watts per speaker in an 810 cab, not 17.
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SVT’s put out 270 watts, and the first ones were run into two 810 cabinets, not just one - the original speakers weren’t rated anywhere near what they are today. 270/16 = 16.8 watts per speaker.
 
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I would use the 50T with either my SVT112AV or SVT15e cabs for last year's Jesus Christ Superstar rehearsals....solid hitting drummer/two keyboards/two guitars, and anywhere between 6 and 12 vocalists in the PA in the rented rehearsal spaces.

IIRC, gain would have been set around 10ish o'clock, EQ set fairly flat with mids boosted a little, and master also set at about 10, maybe 11....

It was loud enough and stayed clean enough to be practical...and sounded great doing it.
 
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