Rhearsals - What they are for and how they should be run.

Some garage bands are good gigging and good touring bands … for example … the Rolling Stones … they put on a good concert and they still have fun … and the little bit of sloppiness is just their style

Some bands that rehearse twice a week are bad gigging bands because they never get better and what they lack in talent they make up in a lack of stage presence

I don't necessarily disagree. But I think that's more semantics and veering into another topic.

A few bands will hit is big being sloppy. There has never been a more sloppy famous band than (swallows a little bit of vomit) Nirvana.

But, for the most part, people want to see/hear a good band that entertains. There will be a few exceptions to every rule.
 
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The PROBLEM (in my market anyway) arises when the garage band thinks it's good enough to be a gigging band, even thought it spent all its rehearsal time "having fun with buddies". So the band sucks. It just doesn't KNOW it sucks. ;) Butchering songs and drinking tons of beer is for the garage, not the stage..... unless you're already rock stars.... which you aren't. Poison in 1986 could get away with butchering horribly trite rock songs while drunk. You can't.
So it turns out this thread was really just an excuse to post the exact same thread you posted about a month ago? Well, I'm going to bookmark this thread in case I even contemplate joining a soul-sucking note for note cover band to remind myself not to. :laugh: If you'll excuse me I'm going to go assemble some P-Bass copies from Warmouth parts. Oh yeah, I forgot, I don't copy, I do originals!
 
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Ok. Read the OP.


EDIT: I actually agree with him that distinction means ALOT. He’s talking about the difference between artistry and (re)performance. About expression versus miming. Why are you so quick to dismiss? I think that perhaps both attitudes have their place, but I certainly don’t view practice/rehearsal as a way to make things “perfect.” Because perfect is often boring and does not serve the connective purpose that I play and enjoy music for. To me, playing in a group, whether playing written songs note for note or improvising, is about learning a group communication that becomes a universal connector. Suffice to say I don’t always get there. And if you listen to any of Watt’s band, you know he doesn’t do stuff loosely-goosey.

My point has little to do with the OP other than the words that are used. Watt is going off on some BS rant over two words that have different meaning for different people. How he approaches music is all well and good, but his article is based on a straw man.
 
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So it turns out this thread was really just an excuse to post the exact same thread you posted about a month ago? Well, I'm going to bookmark this thread in case I even contemplate joining a soul-sucking note for note cover band to remind myself not to. :laugh: If you'll excuse me I'm going to go assemble some P-Bass copies from Warmouth parts. Oh yeah, I forgot, I don't copy, I do originals!

It doesn't make any difference whether your playing originals or covers. You can play either note for note, or with an artistic interpretation.

Admittedly I have done mostly covers, and it varies from arrangement to arrangement how true I am to the original. I rarely worry about nailing everything note for note though. IMHO playing note for note becomes unrealistic when you expect to memorize 6 or more hours of music.

Even when the intent is to perform an obvious "record lift," when the group consists of bass, guitar, keys, and vocals, the best you can usually do is infer what is on a studio album. There are usually way too many tracks for everyone in the group cover everything note for note, so you usually just do the best you can to capture the overall feel and sound. Of course certain lines and solos should be note for note, because that is what the audience expects and wants...at least that's what a lot of people think. If your going to stray from an archetypal solo that everyone loves, you better bring the goods!
 
Drives me nuts when you rehearse 5 times for one gig, and spend the whole time listening to someone noodle.
If someone is noodling then it’s not rehearsing. Lewis Carroll nailed it:
“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.”
“The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.”
“The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master—that's all.”
 
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So....how long are your rehearsals? I am jumping into the fire this Sunday after having not played out in a long while. The group does a like of what I call rif music. An example would be Day Tripper. In all of my years I have always managed to stay away from something like this and it's killing me now. Anyway I am doing my homework with a bunch of songs I have never dreamed of playing in the past. and Boy I hope the lead singer is good because they gave me a bunch of songs that will need a great singer.

Anyway, they only get together for two hours every other Sunday. During start up, getting a new member or rehashing the set list rehearsals I am used to going 3 -4 hrs. With two at a rehearsal studio it just isn't enough.
Yes? No?
 
Long rant/post alert!!!!

My originals band used to get together once a week to "run the set", paying attention to which songs were giving us trouble. We also tried a thing for a while where we played to a click at half speed. This was done so everyone could really focus on playing together and locking in. This was important since we had a good deal of odd meter, complex arrangements and long songs.

We would play for about two hours, having the equivalent of 1 - 2 beers during the time.

After, we'd turn off the equipment, go out in the drummer's back yard and then have another one or two beers.

It worked out well for us and we were gig-ready all the time.

The band disbanded for several years before regrouping for recording only. Members did their parts at home then we assembled them in the studio.

Jump forward to today and the band has had exactly one rehearsal this year and played one song at a show where we sat in with another band. I have been practicing along with the recordings three to five times a week for 5 months. I feel pretty confident I could play my parts in a show with no rehearsal as long as everyone else played their parts just like the recordings.

Considering how much busier all our lives have gotten since the beginning, even one rehearsal a month would be difficult to pull together.

So... if you can get everyone together on a regular basis, do it. It's good to build camaraderie and discuss things other than just the songs. If not, learn your parts. Get them down cold.
 
How we do it: once a month we exchange emails about which songs are going over and which are not. Also about songs that are in the book but haven’t been played for a while. We typically agree on what needs work and what doesn’t. Then we rehearse. Then we argue about what to add. These discussions can be quite intense. After 30 minutes or so, we stop and see where we are. Then we talk business: The new club we picked up? The booker is a creep! What the hell happened at The Yarde last week? Why didn’t they clear our space early like last time?” Etc. Then we go back to the new material discussion and decide the current Joan Jett song is a dud. “It’s supposed to be a sing along, but nobody’s doing it!” So we agree to a different one. As you see, we’re not terribly organized, but we do get stuff done.:D
 
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OK but when do you have the 2 or 3 hour long jam session that gives you the material that you turn into the next album's worth of material?

I’ll be happy to have him correct me, but I suspect 2 Fingers’ post mostly relates to cover bands. Maybe to bands that don’t write collaboratively, as well. It seems pretty obvious to me that an original band that writes collaboratively will need to spend time together working on songs, in addition to practicing at home and rehearsing for gigs. Whether you want to call those writing sessions something different or just lump them together with rehearsals is up to you, I suppose. Personally I’ve never found it particularly useful to make a formal distinction between the two, but what works for me and my bandmates may not work for others.
 
i'm not a pro and have rarely worked with a BL. that being said, there are few faster ways to get me to leave a band then to avoid needed rehearsals or to rehearse needlessly because one of the members can't be bothered to learn the songs. and that applies to covers and originals. but especially covers if we're playing them in the original keys with original timing. we gave up on the last two cover bands as in both cases, the drummers didn't ever seem to progress, failing to remember parts of songs and causing train wrecks. every week was going to be different, but surprise, surprise - it never was. we moved on.

i've often been the one to call the songs, but in some bands we took turns calling them. it worked pretty well, partly because i'm not big on chatting or breaks, partly because all three of us were motivated to nail the songs (originals, punk with some alt and death metal influences) and we also spent time writing together. i'm there to play and to sort out things when playing together that need sorting, as well as working on some moves in a bigger location than my living room.
 
i'm not a pro and have rarely worked with a BL. that being said, there are few faster ways to get me to leave a band then to avoid needed rehearsals or to rehearse needlessly because one of the members can't be bothered to learn the songs. and that applies to covers and originals. but especially covers if we're playing them in the original keys with original timing. we gave up on the last two cover bands as in both cases, the drummers didn't ever seem to progress, failing to remember parts of songs and causing train wrecks. every week was going to be different, but surprise, surprise - it never was. we moved on.

I think I’ve been in 3 or 4 bands with that drummer.
 
Long rant/post alert!!!!

Wow. We have had a TON of threads lately about rehearsals. It seems this is an area where virtually every local bar band could use some improvement.

First, let's talk about what a rehearsal is for.... and the difference between rehearsal and practice.

You practice at home. You rehearse with the band. Practice is what you do when you run scale drills and learn your parts to songs. Rehearsal is where you hammer out any little details that will allow your band to perform the song live without any hitches. Things like arrangements, instrumentation, vocal parts, and whatnot should be attempted BEFORE everyone practices at home. That way everyone knows what to practice. Key changes should also be discussed. But, ultimately, until you get in a room together, some of those details can't be dealt with.

An example of things we hammer out in rehearsal is instrumentation. We have one guitar, keys, and bass to work with melodically speaking. Often we choose cover songs that have two guitar parts, or possibly another instrument not covered by our current personnel. Keys guy will show up with one version of covering the second guitar part. Guitar guy will show up with another version of filling in the gaps. And we will assist them in choosing a method that both sounds good and is physically possible in this dimension.

Also, vocal harmonies might need a tad bit of tweaking at rehearsal. We do mostly songs with complex harmonies in the vocals. As such, the bass player tends to hear things in a way that has him singing on top of other vocalists in the band. (Yes, I'm talking about myself. :D) So that dipstick has to be briefly coached into staying in his lane, vocally speaking.

(As a side note, about once every other month, we get together and have a vocal rehearsal because 1- we like each other and 2- the rest of the band doesn't have to sit around twiddling their thumbs while we hammer out vocal harmonies.)

The ORDER of the song, the CHORD structure of the song, and the LYRICS to the song should be nailed down when everyone arrives. Period. Or, at the very least, have your own chord chart and/or lyric sheet ready to go so we don't have to stop to figure out the order and/or words.

Now, let's discuss how rehearsals should be run. If there is a BL, this is quite simple. He/she is in charge of both choosing the songs and running the operations of a rehearsal. So, for the purposes of this discussion, let's assume, like my band, this is a democracy.

Songs should be chosen in advance. We have two methods.

1) A discussion at THE END of a rehearsal to determine if there are any songs that need to be added/dropped. We all happen to enjoy learning new music, so we are constantly refreshing the list. If songs are chosen, keys and possible arrangements/instrumentation are discussed.

2) Group text - We are all goofballs who happen to like each other. So we are constantly goofing off via group text. But it also turns to music on occasion. We float ideas by each other. If a song is chosen, keys and possible arrangement/instrumentation are discussed.

EVERY BAND NEEDS A MUSICAL DIRECTOR TO RUN REHEARSALS. Rehearsals should be run by SOMEBODY. This person doesn't "outrank" the rest of the band. But it's just easier to handle stops when someone chosen before hand can get the train back on the tracks. So, if we're playing along and I perfectly execute the transition to the bridge (as always ;)) and the guitar player goes to a chorus, we stop. The issue is discussed (at which point everyone comes to realize I am, once again, correct). :cool: Then it is our keys guy who says "OK, let's take it from the second verse and go into it again". If we need to run a part a few times to make sure everyone has it down, he is the one who starts/stops the band. It's just easier. Allow someone to do that. It will make your rehearsals so much more productive. I generally default to the guy/gal who has the most knowledge of music theory and/or the best ear. But that's just my way of looking at it.

Above all, communication OUTSIDE of rehearsal will save you copious amounts of time DURING rehearsal. Just last week we learned a new song. We dropped the key a little. Turns out our keys player, guitar player and I had three completely different ideas as to how far we were dropping it. (The album version was tuned down a half step so there was some confusion as to the difference between the key one would read or the key it "sounds like".) Anyway, the guitar player had a hunch there would be this kind of issue and sent out a text to the group asking what key we were learning it in. We got it all hammered out via text and there was no train wreck in rehearsal. Moving forward, we have decided to have the female singer send out lists via email of the songs to be played at next rehearsal WITH KEYS so there's no confusion.

Alcohol, weed, and friends. You have to decide what kind of band you are. Whatever you decide is your choice to make, and it's "OK" either way. You are a "hang out" band, or you are a semi-pro/pro band. But you can't be both.

SOs (significant others.... boyfriends, girlfriends, spouses, etc.) sitting around during rehearsal is not only a distraction, but a recipe for disaster. Ultimately, a band member will ask an SO what he/she thinks. Honestly, nobody but you cares what your SO thinks. So don't ask. He/she is not a band member. As such, he/she doesn't get a "vote". If you don't like that, start a band with him/her. It's as simple as that. I adore all of the spouses of my fellow band members. I have them all over to my house for cookouts and pool parties all the time. However, I don't want to hear what they think about band business at all. None. Zero. I'm sure they don't care what my wife thinks either. I will ask my wife about stuff privately. Her opinion may factor into how I choose to handle band business. But that's between us. All the band cares about is how I handle my business, not how I arrived at that conclusion.

We all have a few beers at rehearsal....literally a few....like three. But being drunk/high at rehearsal instantly makes you a hang out band, not a semi-pro/pro band. Period. Now, if that's what you're going for, fine. But you can not have it both ways. Period.

Speaking of hang out bands...… Here's where I ruffle some feathers. Brace yourself.

IF YOU CAN PLAY YOUR INSTRUMENT, AND YOUR FELLOW BAND MEMBERS CAN PLAY/SING, YOU DON'T NEED TO REHEARSE ALL THE DANG TIME!!!!!! If you need a dozen rehearsals to get ready for ANY bar band gig, either you can't play, or you are surrounded by people who can't play. Period. If it takes you that many rehearsals to "get tight", most or all of you aren't doing the things mentioned above BEFORE rehearsal to make your rehearsals more productive.....or you simply aren't collectively at the level of skill that leads to playing in public at all. You are a "hang out" band (which, again, is fine..... as long as you KNOW you're a hang out band). Thinking you are a semi-pro/pro band and needing a dozen rehearsals to get a bar band set together don't go together.

Many of the threads here express frustration at being unable to get people together often enough. In most cases, you are wanting to get together TOO OFTEN....and for way longer (calendar wise) than it should take to be bar ready. Here's how you start a band. You get together to jam just to see if you fit together musically and personally. You then discuss the set. Once a set is picked, you divide the list into three parts. You get together to rehearse each third of the set ONCE. Then, if you need to, get together one more time to run the harder stuff to make sure everything "stuck". Then you start booking shows! Rehearsing for months on end to "get tight enough" to play out means that we got off the rails somewhere a few months ago. If you did everything discussed earlier in this rant, you're golden after four rehearsals..... maybe five if you canned/replaced a few songs along the way.

You want to end the frustration? Go play some GIGS! To do that, have a FEW PRODUCTIVE rehearsals and then GET OUT THERE! If you can't do that, you might not be playing-in-public material.

Short version. Sure, have fun at rehearsals. But you don't need dozens of them (if you can play). And they need to have quantifiable objectives and a "flow" to them. OR, just decide you are a hang out band and be done with it. That way nobody gets frustrated by how long it takes to get things together.

BUT YOU CAN NOT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS!!!!! If you are having upwards of ten rehearsals and haven't made it past the first set, either resign yourselves to being a hang out band, or grab another gear!!!


(Now, where did I put that fire extinguisher?)
Hey TwoFingers, you already told us three weeks ago you are in the perfect band, now you're starting to irritate us!;) Seriously though you are spot on. But saying it is one thing, getting 5 musicians to even turn up on the same night is hard enough, let alone follow a set of rules about rehearsals. Maybe I will send them your post....
 
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