Single 1x15" or 2x10" Cab Gigging: Floor or Stand? (Orange OBC115 Content, too)

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Currently, I am gigging with a Fender Rumble 500 v3 head and two matching 2x10" cabinets (great setup!). I also recently purchased an Orange OBC115 with the intention of using it as a beefy standalone cabinet with my Rumble 500 head for when bringing the stack isn't an option (sometimes we carpool to gigs as we are a 10-piece band).

That said, I have done a few gigs with just one 2x10" Rumble cabinet and have tried setting up the cabinet either on a raised, tilted amp stand or on the floor, but angled up slightly with rubber door stops. I found having the cabinet on the floor gave more bottom but less clarity (as expected) and the stand gave more clarity but less bottom (also as expected). I use an Aguilar octave pedal with my P-bass on several tunes so I like having some low end presence on stage.

This prompted me to try out the Orange 1x15" which I am awaiting the arrival of this week. While I expect the Orange to potentially have more low mids/low end "oomph" than the 2x10" cabs, I also fear that it may be too large to use safely on a typical amp stand due to the cabinet's 18" depth and 65 pound weight. Our singers dance a lot and make elevated stages bounce like a trampoline so stability is a concern.

Long story short: For those of you who gig with a single 1x15" or 2x10" cabinet, is your preference to have it on the floor or on a stand? I ask because I am debating investing in a T-stand that can safely support my incoming Orange cabinet prior to next weekend's gig. All words of wisdom are greatly appreciated!
 
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Realistically bass in a 10 pc band is relegated to the lowest frequencies only.

If there is difficulty in hearing yourself I'd vote for the stand, eq for the room, not the stage (work it out to be able to hear yourself from audience p.o.v. during sound check and give up ultra lows in favor of punchy mid-bass as needed), and stand as close to your amp as possible during the performance.
Sometimes bass players have to 'fly by instruments', so to speak. In other words you're not in an ideal situation but still have to perform. Welcome to our world.
 
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BassmanPaul said:
I have always found that the best stand for an Acme B2 2x10 cabinet is a second B2 under the first. :)
I wouldn’t gig without the two in a vertical 4x10 stack. It’s much more reliable too as there is safety in numbers. :D
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This is true. One day when I buy a fully restored mid-80's Chevy Suburban (my daydream) I'll probably be bringing an 8x10" to every gig! In the meantime, sometimes I have to pack for efficiency (boooo).

Ghostinthemach said:
Realistically bass in a 10 pc band is relegated to the lowest frequencies only.

If there is difficulty in hearing yourself I'd vote for the stand, eq for the room, not the stage (work it out to be able to hear yourself from audience p.o.v. during sound check and give up ultra lows in favor of punchy mid-bass as needed), and stand as close to your amp as possible during the performance.
Sometimes bass players have to 'fly by instruments', so to speak. In other words you're not in an ideal situation but still have to perform. Welcome to our world.
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I run a Aguilar Tone Hammer DI with AGS on (set low around 9 'o clock) as well as a TLC compressor in front of the amp so I have punch out the wazoo! I used to clip my older amp setup badly before I discovered the joys of the round, warm, on-the-edge-of-overdrive punch the Tone Hammer AGS circuit adds. I also switched to using my P-bass primarily, which adds greatly to the equation.

The amp really is just for me and the drummer as we always have full band FOH support, but as we all know, inspiring tones that can be heard clearly lead to good performances. Because we usually get wedged into small spaces, I'm always within two feet of the amp, too (haha). That's partly why I like the stack so much because the top cabinet is at my shoulders yet still coupled to the floor/bottom cabinet. My goal is to get some of that magic with a single cabinet.
 
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For me, I'd opt for a vertical 2x10" on the floor. I used to put an Aguilar DB210 on its side(got some feet for it) and it really worked nicely; good floor coupling but still good definition.
I only let it go because it was HEAVY!! In the market for a lighter 2x10". ✨
 
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I prefer my small cabs on the ground, tilted up - rather than on a stand... I like a lot of lows, and feel they work best *for me* that way - this was yesterday's setup:



You can barely see it, but that's a spring loaded handle used for the tilt up mechanism on the bottom...
 
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I routinely gig with a 115, and always raise it up on a stand. I used to gig a Roland DB700 combo which weighed close to 70 lbs. on a stand with no problem. Shop around, there are some good stands available that can hold some weight.
 
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I recently sold my 115 combo and am currently still using my 210 combo. I prefer both of them up on a stand, or on a flight case or something. I don't care much about getting "my sound" on stage, and I certainly don't worry about low end... My goal is simply to be able to hear myself as clearly as possible. The FOH is gonna EQ my bass signal however they see fit, anyway.
 
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dpaulb said:
I know Mark King sets his TC Electronic 410 on top of it's flight case. The top is almost at ear height.
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I'm certainly no Mark King, but I used to do this as well. Also, I'm subbing to this post 'cause I'm in the same boat. Looking for a good stand to hold some weight. Moving from a 4x10 to 1x12 for weight and "boom" issues....and because my ears aren't behind my knees.


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I play with loud drummers, and we like it that way. I haven't had good luck with 2X10 cabs keeping up with loud drummers.

I have gotten by nicely with around 350w through a 1X15. On most stages, I tend to like the coupling with the floor and dial in the EQ accordingly. But there are a few stages that are hollow or a strange geometry where coupling creates huge problems, so I'll lean it back on those stages. I haven't found a stand that will accommodate a 15 cab, but I have a couple of free-standing leaning techniques that work just fine (like the AmpWedge referred to above).
 
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Tritone said:
Works like a charm:
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/ampwedge-polyurethane-amplifier-isolation-floor-wedge
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Funny you should mention the AmpWedge as I actually use rubber door stops under both my guitar and bass amps if they are not on a stand. You can only tilt so far before you run into stability issues, but every little bit helps!

electracoyote said:
I play with loud drummers, and we like it that way. I haven't had good luck with 2X10 cabs keeping up with loud drummers.

I have gotten by nicely with around 350w through a 1X15. On most stages, I tend to like the coupling with the floor and dial in the EQ accordingly. But there are a few stages that are hollow or a strange geometry where coupling creates huge problems, so I'll lean it back on those stages. I haven't found a stand that will accommodate a 15 cab, but I have a couple of free-standing leaning techniques that work just fine (like the AmpWedge referred to above).
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This gives me hope as my incoming Orange OBC115 will be getting pushed with 350 watts from my Rumble v3 head. The only bummer is the Orange cab won't have the cool magnetic head attachment cups like the Rumble cabs do to hold it in place, hence considering using a T-stand to elevate it, but level. I'm thinking tool box liner between the head and cab might help give some grip if I shove rubber door stops under the cab to give some upward angle.
 
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dcr said:
Have you ordered the "T" Stand yet? I'm assuming you're talking about the Quik-Lok or On-Stage WS8440 or something like that.
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Correct. I haven't ordered one yet as my Orange cabinet will be arriving tomorrow. I already have two potential stand solutions at my disposal I would like to test first at home: One is an On-Stage RS7000 and the other is an SKB iSeries rolling utility case I bring my amp head, pedals, and cables to gigs with that conveniently, when laid flat, gives me a bass cabinet-sized 12" tall platform to place said cabinet on. If the cabinet does not sit right/high enough on either option, I may give the T-stand a shot.
 
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