Double Bass The DEFINITIVE Palatino EUB Modification Thread

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I've installed a few of that type in appropriate instruments and they do work reasonably well in the instruments they are designed to fit, but it would be a LOT of work to get one of these slider switch boxes to look/fit halfway decent, and the the durability would be suspect. Nothing says it couldn't be done, but what do you then do with all those unused knobs and holes already on the bass?
 
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carl h. said:
I've installed a few of that type in appropriate instruments and they do work reasonably well in the instruments they are designed to fit, but it would be a LOT of work to get one of these slider switch boxes to look/fit halfway decent, and the the durability would be suspect. Nothing says it couldn't be done, but what do you then do with all those unused knobs and holes already on the bass?
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I didn’t find this Tone Monster preamp in EU shop, to order from US, would be too expensive with duties and shipping…
I find this at a German seller, it’s a very good preamp for el bass, it has 1Mohms input impedance…
What do you think, it would be good with the Pallatino pickup?
Noll TCM2 Onboard Preamp, Volume Push-pull, Stacked Bass/Treble, Knöpfe Chrome | eBay
 
#285
sidonbass said:
Anybody using the Fishman Platinum Pro Peamp with their Palatino? I have on and am trying to dial in the best sound. I just received my Palatino from a fellow TBer. I'm pretty impressed so far.
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Since my onboard electronic doesn’s works, I currently use a very old Fishman B-II preamp and Fishman BP-100 pickup with the Pallatino, works pretty well…I think the Platinum would works well too…You like to plug after the onboard electronic?
 
#286
Barcza said:
Since my onboard electronic doesn’s works, I currently use a very old Fishman B-II preamp and Fishman BP-100 pickup with the Pallatino, works pretty well…I think the Platinum would works well too…You like to plug after the onboard electronic?
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Yes. My onboard electronics work well. I just need to dial in the sound. Of course, wanting it to sound as acoustic as possible.
Budapest? My father was from there. My parents spoke Hungarian when I was growing up. I would love to come there someday.
Thanks
 
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sidonbass said:
Yes. My onboard electronics work well. I just need to dial in the sound. Of course, wanting it to sound as acoustic as possible.
Budapest? My father was from there. My parents spoke Hungarian when I was growing up. I would love to come there someday.
Thanks
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Yeah, a lot of Hungarians move to the States after the revolution of 1956 and after the World War….
You will like it if you come! There are nice jazz places, PM if you come, I will recommend places! :)
 
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sidonbass said:
Yes. My onboard electronics work well. I just need to dial in the sound. Of course, wanting it to sound as acoustic as possible.
Budapest? My father was from there. My parents spoke Hungarian when I was growing up. I would love to come there someday.
Thanks
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I try to get Acoustic like sound as much I can….I put Gut-A-Like Fat Cat G string, pretty cheap, and helps to get more attack….I plan to put a whole set….
 
#289
I have an Easton & Franklin (100% identical to Pallatino..) EUB.
Allmost everything changed, on it…, fingerboard, endpin, bridge, preamp to Bartolini piezzo pre (excellent choice…)
Only the pickup is original, but seems getting breaks down too…
What quality pickup is fit the wooden “bridge and pickup holder” cavity?
Thanks for any ideas!
 
#291
Francois Blais said:
Can you use a wing pickup on the bridge?
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Maybe…but, the bridge is smaller than a normal double bass bridge, similar size than a cello bridge, but different shape…otherwise, I’m not really like wing pickups…On my “real” bass, I use Wilson K1, I like it so much, and would be istallable on this EUB, but it’s too expensive for that cheap instrument, what I use not as much….
 
#295
I just replaced the broken pickup to a Shadow SH 951 pickup. It’s an affordable, but decent pickup. Unfortunately the E string is noticeably louder than the other strings on this bass…I think that pickup shouldn’t produce this big difference, do you think, the problem comes from the different shape of the bridge compared to a real DB? Do you think can I fix that somehow?
 
#296
Barcza said:
I just replaced the broken pickup to a Shadow SH 951 pickup. It’s an affordable, but decent pickup. Unfortunately the E string is noticeably louder than the other strings on this bass…I think that pickup shouldn’t produce this big difference, do you think, the problem comes from the different shape of the bridge compared to a real DB? Do you think can I fix that somehow?
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I had this problem with my 5-string DB with single element pickups. Repositioning the soundpost (less close to the bridge foot) solved that problem.
Or you can get the SH-950 with two elements, which I have used before.

I‘m not sure if the Palatino has a soundpost. The bridge foot might be too close to the ribs (by design of the Palatino) and therefor too much clamped by the ribs, so a two element pickup might be the only good solution.

Have you tried the pickup on the G-side?
 
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DoubleMIDI said:
I had this problem with my 5-string DB with single element pickups. Repositioning the soundpost (less close to the bridge foot) solved that problem.
Or you can get the SH-950 with two elements, which I have used before.

I‘m not sure if the Palatino has a soundpost. The bridge foot might be too close to the ribs (by design of the Palatino) and therefor too much clamped by the ribs, so a two element pickup might be the only good solution.

Have you tried the pickup on the G-side?
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Thank You for the reply! You are probably right, a full size DB. bridge is balances out, the resonances coming from the strings…I will try on the other leg, and if doesn’t works I will try a two element pickup…

This can be a lesson for others, for choosing replacement pickup to pallatino!
 
#298
The bridge of an acoustic DB sits on the top between the f-holes which makes that part looser to vibrate, specially if the soundpost is farther away from the bridge leg.
The Palatino is not wide enough to make the top at the bridge legs loose enough, so it act similar to a soundpost that is too close to the bridge foot. Clamped instead of loose enough to vibrate well.

Well, it‘s a Palatino. You get what you paid for. The Italian MK Jazz has a kind of soundpost, but it is a lot more expensive than a Palatino. Good EUBs are rather expensive.

Two element pickups can sound a bit strange because of a light phasing, but better if both sides alone sound rather different but is still better than a good sound with very different volume for the strings.

BTW, you might want to (impedance) buffer each pickup individually before mixing them. You will get a better sound.
So you might want to go with two single pickups instead of a double one.

Good luck!
 
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DoubleMIDI said:
The bridge of an acoustic DB sits on the top between the f-holes which makes that part looser to vibrate, specially if the soundpost is farther away from the bridge leg.
The Palatino is not wide enough to make the top at the bridge legs loose enough, so it act similar to a soundpost that is too close to the bridge foot. Clamped instead of loose enough to vibrate well.

Well, it‘s a Palatino. You get what you paid for. The Italian MK Jazz has a kind of soundpost, but it is a lot more expensive than a Palatino. Good EUBs are rather expensive.

Two element pickups can sound a bit strange because of a light phasing, but better if both sides alone sound rather different but is still better than a good sound with very different volume for the strings.

BTW, you might want to (impedance) buffer each pickup individually before mixing them. You will get a better sound.
So you might want to go with two single pickups instead of a double one.

Good luck!
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Thats two individual pickups idea, with two preamp and blending control, sounds very exciting! Actually I don’t want to spend to much money for EUB, I’m using EUB just for rehearsals, and rarely some gigs with when transport issues with the full size DB…
 
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I just thought you get a second one element of the same type. If you connect them in parallel you have the same as the double element SH-950. But if you want to use a double buffer later just unplug the Y-cable and feed the buffers individually before mixing.
I made this with my 5-string Clevinger EUB and the sound is so much better than connecting the piezos in parallel before feeding a single buffer.
Just an idea why it might be better to get a second single element than a new double element pickup.
But I understand that the EUB is more of a rehearsal than an stage instrument to you. It’s the same with my Stagg EUB. Playable but far from perfect.
 
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