Time for a new cab

#74
I used an Eden 2x12 for many years before the weight of it (and me getting older) made me jump ship (I do Markbass now). For all things music - Try Before You Buy. Everyone has an opinion as to what they like predicated on the sound they prefer - and no two bassists will agree 100%. So, asking for opinions on what cabs to try, should always be understood with this in mind. Now, if you have a 1x12 already, I would suggest an identical 1x12 to stack it with. You will be amazed how much better a 2x12 sounds over a 1x12.
 
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#75
MycooLeeyun said:
Just not a big enough bottom end roundness. I know a second cab could do a lot for me but I don't have the budget for that at the moment. Plus I'm mostly playing in my bedroom and recording.
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A lot of people think Bergs don't have enough low end. . . . but they do. It's just different.

IME Bergs somehow remove the mud, boom and flabbyness you get in the bass frequencies in a lot of bass cabs. What you are left with is clear well defined and punchy bass. I think that is the strength of their sound, and the weakness in many (otherwise good) other makes. I think you need to experiment with the EQ of your STL 9.2 and learn how to EQ the sound you want. It's all in there. You'll might need to put more low end into the EQ on the bass and amp to get to where you're happy. Listen to your records. The big low end that gets out of control and indistinct on many gigs is usually removed when you record. The Bergs are doing that for you, making the bass clear and audible by tightening up the low end. I used a Thunderfunk and Aguilar TH500 with my Bergs but the STL's EQ can do anything well.

I think you're right, a 112 is a good choice for playing at home and in the studio.
 
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#76
Wow, this thread might go down in TB history as worst collective advice ever.

What someone SHOULD have told you right off the bat is that if you're trying to have a gigable rig smaller than a 2x12 but with lots of bottom end for $400 or less, you are going to fail. It simply doesn't exist. The Bag Ends are supposed to be great cabs but not known for having a lot of low end. And I don't know WHY anyone bizarrely suggested Mesa 2x15s or a Powerhouse. That is like the complete opposite of what you asked for.

You cant really go smaller and get more bass usually unless you spend a ton of money. And even then there's just only so much physics can do with a single 12 or a couple of 10s. Unsurprisingly you went with a single 12 (albeit a higher end one) and are disappointed. You could try adding another but it sounds like your budget won't allow that. Something like one of those ported Eden 2x10s might be workable, but pricing wise I don't think they're a great value, and after A/Bing 2 basically identical Eden and SWR cabs, the SWR just sounded a lot better.

So you could spend $300+ on an Eden (or SWR or similar brand) 2x10, and still be chasing low end, or you could spend literally a few bucks more and get a Goliath 4x10 (III or IV for decent power handling, etc...). Yes, it will be about 25 pounds or so heavier than your Avatar and slightly bigger, but if you mostly use it at home, does that really matter? They don't have TONS of low end, but they have a nice balanced overall sound that should work for basically anybody. And they're cheap and plentiful, especially in southern California since that's where they're from. At the very least, you owe it to yourself to try a slightly larger cab that is known to be pretty cable and good quality so you have a better benchmark to advance from and see if it gets you closer to the low end you want. Other than that probably just a better 2x12 (or 2 single 12s) than the avatar, but that might easily bust your budget. And you might STILL be left wanting in the low end. Keep in mind that a bigger cab gives you a LOT more leeway with EQ.

The other thing is that for your usage profile, your amp is way overkill. You have a 900 watt amp to play in your basement. So with a much lower rated cab, you're not even able to open up the amp enough to get that low end. You should really also downsize to a Shuttle 3 or 6, or maybe even try something from a different company (not that Genz isn't great, just might not be what you're looking for). But definitely not higher than the 300-500w or so range.

Anyway, what was it about the size of the avatar that you had a problem with? Was it just that it was bigger/heavier than its level of performance? It doesn't sound like you're "on the go" all the time enough to really care about moving your cab once in a while.
 
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I obviously didn't mean you, agedhorse. Although trying before buying in the internet/monopoly age is easier said than done. If GC doesn't have it you're out of luck, and some people have to drive 50+ miles just to get to one of those (I'm "lucky" enough to have 5 within about 5-25 miles of me, although I hate the layout of the remodeled ones where everything is one giant room so it's just a mess of noise if anyone else is in there).

As far as the bag ends, the 15s specifically it's my understanding they drop off more like in the 45-50 range, which should be great for 4 string, but it's not quite the same thing as a low focused cab like a 410 HLF.
 
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BadExample said:
Many of their conventional cabs go down into the 30's (Hz). I don't mean the ELF/Infra system with their amp that goes down to 8 Hz. Just regular cabs. An S18B will rattle your boys.
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It should be noted that maximum SPL falls quickly below about F6 and like a rock below F10 (as does power handling ). Nothing comes for free. All cabinets exhibit exactly the same properties though the numbers will be different. This is not exclusive to Bag End subs/speakers but to all speakers that use inverse (integrating) eq below F3
 
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