What difference does the 7 make in Cm7 chord?

To me, you’re trying to understand the problem from the wrong end. The problem with music theory is that you will see 10 different ways to explain the same thing. It is sometimes hard to visualize something that abstract. I ll try.

  • In the western culture, the sound is divided in 12 notes. We call them together the chromatic scale. They are all equally spaced (one semi tone).

  • Out of those 12 notes, there are countless of smaller scales called diatonic scales, composed of 7 notes. The most popular ones are the major scale, the natural minor scale, then the harmonic minor and melodic minor scales, the pentatonic scale, the blues scale, and many more.
  • In a diatonic scale, the distance between the 7 notes form a pattern.
  • That pattern will define the musical color of the given scale. Thinking of the notes arranged as a pattern allow you to understand that the starting note is not important. You can start a major scale on E, B or C#, it will always be a major scale if the pattern between each note is Tone, Tone, Semitone, Tone, Tone, Tone, Semitone. That’s the pattern associated with the major scale. Each scale has its own pattern.

  • Most pieces of music are written with a given scale in mind, and with a center note, the key. When you read somewhere "This song is written in C major", it means we are using the major scale and the starting note is C. C is then called the first degree of the scale of C major.
  • The C major scale and its 7 degrees are : C, D, E, F, G, A, and B.
  • As you know, pieces of music don’t stay in one note all the time. You don’t get to play C during 3 minutes. The progression will be written in degrees of the scale in roman numerals, for example : I vi ii V, in other words, the main mood of this part of the song will revolve around C, then around A then D and finally G.
  • Now you know we’ll play C,A,D,G, you can stick to these 4 notes. Then you’re playing the root notes, it is safe to only play them as a bassist, but you might want to have fun. For every of these notes, you can play chords, which means playing multiple notes at the same time that still make you feel like you’re playing around the center note.
  • If you want to create a chord, you want to assemble different notes that relate to the one you want to revolve around, let’s say A. Now comes the tricky part. it is not easy to grasp, but it’s relatively easy to play, especially on the fretboard using geometrical patterns. If I want to revolve around A, look at the A major scale and look at each degree : the second, third, fourth, fifth sixth and seventh degrees of your scale. Yes, we identify what the degrees are based off the major scale pattern even though the music you’re playing is not in major. This is why chords are like tools or colors at your disposal, they’re not immediately related to the music you’re playing.
  • Each degree will add some color : 2, 4 and 6 add some level of tension. The 3 tells you if your chord is minor (3♭) or major. The 5 gives you some stability. etc
  • You can easily remember a chord with its formula : 1 3 5 is a major chord (whatever the note, it is ALWAYS 1 3 5). 1 3 5 ♭7 is a 7 chord, etc.
  • When the notes from a chord are played one after another, instead of altogether, we call that an arpeggio.
  • Careful : Chords are not related to the scale you’re playing ! This is why sometimes a chord will sound odd, out of the melody or it will sound awesome, at home.
  • Last point on chords, when a chord is major (3), it is written with capital roman numeral. When it is minor, (3♭) it is written in small roman numerals.

  • Let’s go back to our example. You’re in a I vi ii V chords progression, which means the main musical mood is Major I, minor 6, Minor 2, Major V, starting from C, which means C Major, A Minor, D Minor and G major. This is what you have to play.
  • Now you know what you have to play, you are allowed to play any chord that fits. When you have to play A minor, you can’t play Amaj7 (1357) because it is a major chord (look at the third). But you can play Am7 (1 ♭3 5 ♭7) or Am Maj7 (1 ♭3 ♭5 7) for example.

    To go further :
  • Chords progression following the scale order often get boring. Chords are being substituted from modes, which are derived scales. Too complex for now but that is what made Radiohead popular for example. Or the Beatles.
  • Chords can be reversed : the root (1) doesn’t always have to be the lowest note.
  • You can explore various scales, substitute the chords with other ones from derived scales, and have thirds or fifths played as the lowest note. Everything is possible, but now you are in jazz territory ahahah.

Now, let’s go back to your video.
It is confusing. There is no such thing as a C minor 7 scale.
He is playing every 12 chromatic notes of the natural minor scale (C, then C#, then D etc).
What he means is that Cm7 is the chord to play on top of that part of the song, just like my CADG example above.
Cm7, is 1 ♭3 5 ♭7 or C E flat G B flat. The musicians know they can play a 7th (B flat), it will not sound off. But they don’t have to :)

That was fun to write. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong somewhere or disagree with my way to visualize music theory.
 
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chord Cmin7 is one story and the lick played on scale notes is another story, now I get it. One can build many chords on notes of one scale.

Yes, that the right answer.

The following is Mile's Davis solo on "Oleo."
Check the Davis' notes and the accompanying chords.


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I play mostly UK/Irish/Euro follk, and I come across chord sheets written by classically trained folks who have applied classical keyboard harmony to produce chords with 7ths in that are theoretically right but don't sound 'folky' with lots of folk tunes. Offten the basic triad - 1 3 5 without the 7th sounds better. Can anyone explain why that is please?
 
I play mostly UK/Irish/Euro follk, and I come across chord sheets written by classically trained folks who have applied classical keyboard harmony to produce chords with 7ths in that are theoretically right but don't sound 'folky' with lots of folk tunes. Offten the basic triad - 1 3 5 without the 7th sounds better. Can anyone explain why that is please?
Nothing complicated, it's just a matter of people doing what they're used to in a context that may not be the right one for that stuff. I used to play a lot of Irish music, and I found something similar. First time I heard someone prescribing a major 7 for the tonic chord of a jig in D, I about lost my lunch.
 
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Taken at face value, this is true. But how often do you find an ensemble which has two fretless basses? (DBs don't count)
But seriously...quite a few Scottish and Cape Breton style bands now use two fiddlers playing together in the key of A. That means they have open A and E strings available which are often not precisely tuned together, plus tunes in that key often use the B above the treble clef. On fiddle that's a 4th finger, and folk fiddlers (I'm one) often play that finger at err, variable pitch. Add to that Highland pipes, which even in concert A are tuned to a 'natural' (ie non tempered) scale. Add a Scottish tuned accordion (3 reed musette tuned low, concert, high, sometimes audibly 'out' with each other), and a 'tempered' guitar or piano, and you have a good range of pitch variationon some notes that should be the same. That's how you know it's folk music :)
 
But seriously...quite a few Scottish and Cape Breton style bands now use two fiddlers playing together in the key of A. That means they have open A and E strings available which are often not precisely tuned together, plus tunes in that key often use the B above the treble clef. On fiddle that's a 4th finger, and folk fiddlers (I'm one) often play that finger at err, variable pitch. Add to that Highland pipes, which even in concert A are tuned to a 'natural' (ie non tempered) scale. Add a Scottish tuned accordion (3 reed musette tuned low, concert, high, sometimes audibly 'out' with each other), and a 'tempered' guitar or piano, and you have a good range of pitch variationon some notes that should be the same. That's how you know it's folk music :)
And since it's folk music, those fiddles could be cigar-box fiddles. I'm not making fun; my musical preference for both performing and listening, as I recently discovered from an article I read, is "folk-adjacent" music.

Now, a dual electric bass line-up I could see in a single band would be if one bass was in standard tuning and the other was in a higher, say ADGC or even DGCF.
 
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And since it's folk music, those fiddles could be cigar-box fiddles. I'm not making fun; my musical preference for both performing and listening, as I recently discovered from an article I read, is "folk-adjacent" music.

Now, a dual electric bass line-up I could see in a single band would be if one bass was in standard tuning and the other was in a higher, say ADGC or even DGCF.
My eventual aim is to play an electric bass I have that's tuned E A D G C F (thank you string makers). It's a 34" scale, but I wonder if I could make any sense of capo-ing it to work at say a 24-25" short scale length like my other basses? First buy a 6 string bass capo, I guess...
 
My eventual aim is to play an electric bass I have that's tuned E A D G C F (thank you string makers). It's a 34" scale, but I wonder if I could make any sense of capo-ing it to work at say a 24-25" short scale length like my other basses? First buy a 6 string bass capo, I guess...
That would have to be a mighty wide capo, and I doubt with the vibrating string length attenuated that much that you would get much duration from the plucked notes.
 
OK, what I've got from all this appears to be how 7th chords relate to scales, and that what flavour of 7th chord you might use 'depends'. Trouble is, as a rookkie bass player, the methods seem to generally go from the chapter called Triads to the one called 7ths, and only then do you get the one called Building a Bass Line, which includes 7ths like they're compulsory. As I understand it from this thread, some forms of music don't have a lot of use for 7ths, as they often don't sound right. Generalising, are there music styles where that's correct?
 
As I understand it from this thread, some forms of music don't have a lot of use for 7ths, as they often don't sound right. Generalising, are there music styles where that's correct?
Well, sorta but not exactly. You need to distinguish between (1) an accompanying chordal instrument playing or not playing a 7 CHORD and (2) a line, whether in a melody or a part or a bass line or a solo, that makes use of the 7 as a NOTE. You can have (2) without (1). Some forms, of folk music, for example, are like that.
 
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