Zoom b1on setup for headphones

Aras

Aras

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#1
Hey there! I have a question. I have passive Yamaha TRBX174, pair of Sennheiser HD201 and Zoom b1on for my evening and night practice. But the sound is a little bit to boooomy. What setup can you suggest me? To hear my bass more clearly, not so fat and oomphy. What preset or what settings?
What do you use, when playing through Zoom b1on directly to headphones?
Thanks!
 
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I don't have direct experience with the b1on, but I use my MS-60B a lot, and since it's probably very similar:
  • Yeah, in most cases you want to skip the presets and start from scratch. (I went over them once with an amp to see what's available and never went back.)
  • Even when you start from scratch, the level of some of the models is ridiculously high. IIRC, this is most apparent on the synths, but is a general issue with many of them. Luckily, most (all?) sims have a 'level' knob that you can use to tame them down. I sometimes take them very low, to like 20-25. (This is one of my main criticism of this unit).
  • The amp-sims come with a 50-50 blend by default. I guess this is good if you're then running through a real amp, and it's also good for practice because it exposes more of the various unwanted noises that your technique makes, but it doesn't sound very real through headphones, you need to take it closer to 100 to sound more like a real amp.
HTH
 
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ProfFrink said:
I don't have direct experience with the b1on, but I use my MS-60B a lot, and since it's probably very similar:
  • Yeah, in most cases you want to skip the presets and start from scratch. (I went over them once with an amp to see what's available and never went back.)
  • Even when you start from scratch, the level of some of the models is ridiculously high. IIRC, this is most apparent on the synths, but is a general issue with many of them. Luckily, most (all?) sims have a 'level' knob that you can use to tame them down. I sometimes take them very low, to like 20-25. (This is one of my main criticism of this unit).
  • The amp-sims come with a 50-50 blend by default. I guess this is good if you're then running through a real amp, and it's also good for practice because it exposes more of the various unwanted noises that your technique makes, but it doesn't sound very real through headphones, you need to take it closer to 100 to sound more like a real amp.
HTH
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Thanks, but what is Scratch?
 
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ProfFrink said:
  • Yeah, in most cases you want to skip the presets and start from scratch. (I went over them once with an amp to see what's available and never went back.)
  • Even when you start from scratch, the level of some of the models is ridiculously high. IIRC, this is most apparent on the synths, but is a general issue with many of them. Luckily, most (all?) sims have a 'level' knob that you can use to tame them down. I sometimes take them very low, to like 20-25. (This is one of my main criticism of this unit).
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I have both, and while I 100% agree with this assessment on the MS-60b, the B1on is completely opposite in this regard. Zoom seems to have paid attention and made an effort towards very useful patches on the B1on. I only have a couple of custom patches; most of the time I use the factory patches, anyway. I use mine for headphone practice, but I have used a couple of the factory patches as my preamp at a couple of live gigs. (I do play passive basses.)
 
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Aras said:
Geeez, still need help guys. I'm trying to do what you've said, but still i have sound of 4 string like from a barrel (( Cant get not so booomy sound
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What is in your patch currently? Also, what patches in particular are you finding too boomy? If I find one that doesn't suit the immediate sound I want, I switch around. I can try to dig up the ones I like in particular, but Studio patch at D1 might be a good place for you to start...it's the avalon preamp model with the dbx160 comp model. Should be straightforward to make some adjustments if necessary.
 
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jumblemind said:
What is in your patch currently? Also, what patches in particular are you finding too boomy? If I find one that doesn't suit the immediate sound I want, I switch around. I can try to dig up the ones I like in particular, but Studio patch at D1 might be a good place for you to start...it's the avalon preamp model with the dbx160 comp model. Should be straightforward to make some adjustments if necessary.
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In the file some example of what i'm talking about. This is D1 witch you suggest
In headphones it is more messy
 

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Aras said:
In the file some example of what i'm talking about. This is D1 witch you suggest
In headphones it is more messy
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Sounds like the bass is a little hot for the models. Try going into the D1 patch and lowering the Gain control of the DI5 preamp model. May want to lower the gain a bit on the 160comp, as well.

EDIT: A simpler thing to try would be to place a Line Selector or Bass EQ model (set flat) and using one of those to lower the volume of the bass signal before it goes into the rest of the chain.
 
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Are you picking near the junction between the neck and the body? This produces the kind of tone I'm hearing on your recording. So either pick a bit closer to the bridge, or EQ a bit to tame those lows.
I also like to recommend always running a low cut filter to tighten the sound a bit (experiment a bit, but parametric EQ set very low, like 30hz, with a Q of 2 or 4 and generous cut). This won't affect your tone much, but will rid you of those super low frequencies that you generally don't want.
 
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The recording sounds like it has some clipping in it. Is this part of this patch? If not, is it possible that the bass is so hot that it actually clips the input stage of the effect...? (I've never encountered such a situations so really don't know...)
 
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Thanks friends for your helping! I've try all what you wrote, but i have to say that only way to have clear sound is to use simple thing - bypass. I've heard that Yamaha's stock pickups has very deep lows, and now i can say - it is true. In models with synth, delays, echoes and other stuff -there is no issue. But in "clear" patches there are too many booom. So i stopped on bypass and i have my Yamy's own voice in my headphones. XLunacy - i picking just after P pickup, not near the neck. It is just a feature of my bass as it turned out. It's a pity that part of interesting sounds are not for my, but i'm totally satisfied with a bypass sound. Again - thanks guys!
 
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Aras said:
Thanks friends for your helping! I've try all what you wrote, but i have to say that only way to have clear sound is to use simple thing - bypass. I've heard that Yamaha's stock pickups has very deep lows, and now i can say - it is true. In models with synth, delays, echoes and other stuff -there is no issue. But in "clear" patches there are too many booom. So i stopped on bypass and i have my Yamy's own voice in my headphones. XLunacy - i picking just after P pickup, not near the neck. It is just a feature of my bass as it turned out. It's a pity that part of interesting sounds are not for my, but i'm totally satisfied with a bypass sound. Again - thanks guys!
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If you like your sound in bypass, then done!

If you have another go, try adjusting the EQs on amp or preamp in the clean patches. Decrease the bass and/or the low mids.
 
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jumblemind said:
If you like your sound in bypass, then done!

If you have another go, try adjusting the EQs on amp or preamp in the clean patches. Decrease the bass and/or the low mids.
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I will try, cause i'm interested in it. The thing that i cant understand is why clean patches makes so much boost. If i decrease bass or gain sound become too low.
playing with levels does not give many profit. I will continue my attempts
MrLenny1 said:
Read the manual carefully. The default settings are not that good. I have re-adjusted everyone I use to my liking.
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Reading already again )
 
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