Thunderbird Club

Nice looking '81 Greco on Reverb. It's in New Jersey. $1289 +$69 shipping.
https://reverb.com/item/85842793-1981-greco-japan-tb-thunderbird-iv-style-sunburst-w-original-gigbag

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Around that time, she and Susanna Hoffa were my “IT” girls. Since the Bangles were SoCal based, we saw them a lot as openers early on. I’m not ashamed of liking them. The music grew on me. Mainly because of her voice. And looks. And they were really good live. Sorta why I love Linda Ronstadt from a few years earlier.

I was thinking about this awhile back. Growing up in SoCal made me an eclectic listener. I wonder if my tastes would have developed differently had Mom agreed to let Dad move us to Cocoa Beach in ‘68.
You do have a very very wide range in your musical likes. I'm impressed by that. I like what I like, be it classical, blues, rock, bluegrass--but there's a lot I can't stand in all of those categories. Punk and dark metal are things that never had any appeal for me, however.
 
I ask myself that hourly. Especially today. When an L.A. gangbanger, convicted felon for multiple charges including illegal firearms possession and bank robbery, threatened me and my family during a deposition. Simply because I was calling him out on fraud he’s trying to commit.
Hate that for you. Can he not be charged for that?
 
A new preview of my hopefully forthcoming album project (instrumental ambient soundscape stuff in general). So nothing radically new ain't happening but I recall someone here liked my previous track so...
No T-Birds on this unfortunately but at least a 12-string guitar made of sheet metal.

Thing like this remind me of one of my favorite songs. The whole album is great.
 
A new preview of my hopefully forthcoming album project (instrumental ambient soundscape stuff in general). So nothing radically new ain't happening but I recall someone here liked my previous track so...
No T-Birds on this unfortunately but at least a 12-string guitar made of sheet metal.

Very cool!!!
 
A new preview of my hopefully forthcoming album project (instrumental ambient soundscape stuff in general). So nothing radically new ain't happening but I recall someone here liked my previous track so...
No T-Birds on this unfortunately but at least a 12-string guitar made of sheet metal.

:thumbsup:
 
I ask myself that hourly. Especially today. When an L.A. gangbanger, convicted felon for multiple charges including illegal firearms possession and bank robbery, threatened me and my family during a deposition. Simply because I was calling him out on fraud he’s trying to commit.
Yikes! That's a bad day at work...
 
Those of you who've changed pot values in your basses, was it pretty much always 250k changed to 500k? Why did you make the change and what were the results?

In the treble guitar world, the rule of thumb has long been 250k for single coils, 500k for humbuckers. Lower values bleed off more treble, so I'm guessing that's why the 250k seems common with bass humbuckers. But it's a bit more complex.
Miles, I’ve been all over the board on this one and found that one size does not fit all. The actual pickups you’re using should dictate what pot and cap values you end up with, not so much the type of pickup (humbucker vs single coil). The 1meg option will be the most transparent volume pot and the 250k ohm will be the most treble restricted volume pot in every case, but which one sounds best with your pickups is always be a question.

On my 1966 NR Tribute bird I tried dozens of pot/cap combinations with the 760ProBuckers and finally settled on 500K audio volume pots and 250k audio tone pots and a .068uf cap. To my ears this combo gave me the most useable range of tones from each pickup and put the sweet spot at tone knob full on, which makes for a quick dial in on desired tone.

On my BlingBird with the three pickups I went full flex mode and put a 500/250 audio vol/tone stack on each of the three pickups then installed a .022uf cap at the bridge, a .047uf cap at the mid, and a .068uf cap at the neck. Having the ability to select different voicing ranges via caps at each pickup makes a monstrous difference.

I’ll be replacing the stock pickups in my bluebird BaCH with some Gibson reissue Tbird pickups. When I do, I’ll try a combination of pot and cap values to see what works best with those pickups. I suspect I’ll end up with 500/500 or 500/250 since these pickups are not drastically different than the Eppi pickups. The caps could be anything and require a lot more time to nail down.

One more note: audio pots for both volume and tone are a personal preference of mine. I detest that tone shifting I get from a linear volume pot when swept from 8 tenths to 10 tenths. Once I set my tone I want it to stay that way regardless of volume level. YMMV
 
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Miles, I’ve been all over the board on this one and found that one size does not fit all. The actual pickups you’re using should dictate what pot and cap values you end up with, not so much the type of pickup (humbucker vs single coil). The 1meg option will be the most transparent volume pot and the 250k ohm will be the most treble restricted volume pot in every case, but which one sounds best with your pickups is always be a question.

On my 1966 NR Tribute bird I tried dozens of pot/cap combinations with the 760ProBuckers and finally settled on 500K audio volume pots and 250k audio tone pots and a .068uf cap. To my ears this combo gave me the most useable range of tones from each pickup and put the sweet spot at tone knob full on, which makes for a quick dial in on desired tone.

On my BlingBird with the three pickups I went full flex mode and put a 500/250 audio vol/tone stack on each of the three pickups then installed a .022uf cap at the bridge, a .047uf cap at the mid, and a .068uf cap at the neck. Having the ability to select different voicing ranges via caps at each pickup makes a monstrous difference.

I’ll be replacing the stock pickups in my bluebird BaCH with some Gibson reissue Tbird pickups. When I do, I’ll try a combination of pot and cap values to see what works best with those pickups. I suspect I’ll end up with 500/500 or 500/250 since these pickups are not drastically different than the Eppi pickups. The caps could be anything and require a lot more time to nail down.

One more note: audio pots for both volume and tone are a personal preference of mine. I detest that tone shifting I get from a linear volume pot when swept from 8 tenths to 10 tenths. Once I set my tone I want it to stay that way regardless of volume level. YMMV
Thanks, George! I know the generalities but am very interested in specifics like this. The rule of thumb is there because it generally works well, but it’s not the last word on things!
I’m thinking I need to start using connectors for connecting bass guts. Which ones are you using?
For anyone curious about pot innards and such, check out The Secret Life of Pots (The Secret Life of Pots). R.G. Knows his stuff.
 
Thanks, George! I know the generalities but am very interested in specifics like this. The rule of thumb is there because it generally works well, but it’s not the last word on things!
I’m thinking I need to start using connectors for connecting bass guts. Which ones are you using?
For anyone curious about pot innards and such, check out The Secret Life of Pots (The Secret Life of Pots). R.G. Knows his stuff.
problem there being, you think you found the right combo and hardwire to find it sounds different.....
 
Thanks, George! I know the generalities but am very interested in specifics like this. The rule of thumb is there because it generally works well, but it’s not the last word on things!
I’m thinking I need to start using connectors for connecting bass guts. Which ones are you using?
For anyone curious about pot innards and such, check out The Secret Life of Pots (The Secret Life of Pots). R.G. Knows his stuff.
I don’t typically use connectors for my bass wiring unless the parts I buy come with a pre wired harness (i.e. EMG). Nothing against them, I just never really went down that path. I suppose they work just fine, but I like the peace of mind that a hard solder offers vs a connector that could possibly jiggle loose or cause intermittent problems.

On my bass builds I use a small plank of thin wood with holes drilled in it that match the control layout. I wire and solder everything up external to the bass (except output jack, bridge ground, caps and pickups). Then I alligator clip the pickups and jack leads in place and test the tone with a range of caps to see what works best for that bass. Once I find what I like I install the controls in the bass and solder the caps in place along with the pickups, bridge ground wire and output jack.

I’ve found over time that I have very few pickups that I’m using that sound good with 1meg or 250K volume pots (Stingray and Jazz pickups kind of fall in those ranges but I use very very few of those). As for tone pots, it’s a toss up on 500k and 250k, I almost always use one or the other on my builds, don’t think I’ve ever found a need to use a 1meg pot for tone. Caps are where all the trial and error occurs for me, so I rarely ever solder those in place without playing “what if” with about a dozen different caps.

At one point I considered building a switchboard that I could clamp my pickup leads into and then switch between three or four different volume pot values, and three or four different tone pot values for each pickup and four or five different tone caps. It’s pretty easy to do, but as Chuck noted, what happens when you’ve switched thru the options to find what you want only to find out it sounds different when you wire it all up and install it in the bass. There’s a lot of tolerance on each pot and cap that can all add up, and that alone could make the difference between a ho-hum sound and a stellar sound. So I always install the actual pots and caps I’ve tested in the bass.

Speaking of tolerances, Note the as tested values on these Alpha pots…
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There’s almost a 20% difference in the high and low volume pots even though they are rated at 500k ohms. Thats some pretty hefty slop.