Can't decide between Rickenbacker 4003 vs. 4001

Which is the right Bass for me?

  • 4003

    Votes: 30 50.0%
  • 4001

    Votes: 30 50.0%

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    60
I would be extremely surprised if the other side ended up being as happy as you are...:D...but one never knows.

The longer and more amusing story was that I had tried trading the Tele Bass toward the new 4003, but after crunching numbers the shop declined. Not even a week later I found a Craigslist ad from someone wanting to trade his 4003 for a Tele Bass! We met in a Home Depot parking lot, tried out each other’s basses, and made the trade. He seemed happy, and I am happy (even though it turned out the neck pickup was dead. Tom Brantley took care of that). Might be worth mentioning, too, that I had a replacement pick guard on the Tele with an EMG-HB pickup. The original pick guard and mud bucker were also included.
 
I So anyway, that's the story of why I traded it. wish I had it now.

You, sir, have some interesting preferences...:D...I went through like 3 of those, all of which came to me dirt cheap and I wouldn't want one back unless I knew I could flip it the next day. Out of all the Fender basses, that's the one that I dislike the most, by far. I loved my '71, but that's a completely different animal altogether.

Might be worth mentioning, too, that I had a replacement pick guard on the Tele with an EMG-HB pickup. The original pick guard and mud bucker were also included.

So you did figure out a way to get that poor thing heard in the mix...smart man...:thumbsup:

Anyone who complains about lack of clarity on old Gibson EBs has never played a post-72 Tele Bass...:rollno:
 
I had a ‘68 4001s burgundy glo and it had a very slim neck. It played like a dream and I don’t remember any appreciable neck dive. I don’t have any experience with any other Rics. People either love them or hate them. Their doesn’t seem to be any middle ground.
Well, I'm in the middle about them, in that I own Ricks and like them, but acknowledge their quirks and don't think they're the best bass for all applications.
 
You, sir, have some interesting preferences...:D...I went through like 3 of those, all of which came to me dirt cheap and I wouldn't want one back unless I knew I could flip it the next day. Out of all the Fender basses, that's the one that I dislike the most, by far. I loved my '71, but that's a completely different animal altogether.



So you did figure out a way to get that poor thing heard in the mix...smart man...:thumbsup:

Anyone who complains about lack of clarity on old Gibson EBs has never played a post-72 Tele Bass...:rollno:


Well I forgot to mention that I would have thrown a single coil Tele pickup in the traditional P position or maybe even a little closer to the bridge but yeah, I'd like one of those earlier teles with the single coil.
 
I recently bought a 2020 Ric 4003 Maple. It is a fantastic instrument. Regarding the "chucky neck"-

I prefer thinner necks. The 4003 does not have a thin neck. However, I have found that I adapted to the neck after only a day or two. It feels pretty natural to me now. The tone and feel of the instrument easily offset the "adaptation period".

Also, to address neck dive: I think that neck dive and playing position is a combination of elements. Instrument design, strap length, player technique and posture, and player body size and shape. You can only control some of these variables. I love the sound of a Gibson Thunderbird, but I can't make it comfortable to play. Some people can, that's cool. This Ric "fits me". I had an EB-3 that felt like a toy and I never felt comfortable playing it (although it sounded like a monster when pushed through an SVT).

As others have stated, you should audition the bass in person. Get a feel for it. Bring a good wide leather strap you can adjust. Compare it to other similar basses: G&L L2000 for example (I may take some heat for that).
 
It really comes down to how important the neck profile is to you on a bass. If you prefer a smooth-as-silk, comfortable and fast neck, choose a 70's 4001. If any old oak tree tied to the end of your bass will do, I'm sure the 4003 is ok.
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Before you buy a RIC be aware that you will need to adapt to it. The size, the sound, the weight, size of the necks, interesting (for 4001s) neck adjusting procedure, the sharp body edges, etc. Never think you will find the perfect RIC. The perfect RIC for you will be the one you want bad enough to accept all of its idiosyncrasies. I have two, a 4001 and a 4003. Love them both, and wouldn't part with either. Good luck with your choice.
 
Comparing the basses you have owned is not the same as comparing basses available on racks at music stores. In my experience there is a lot of variation between basses you find in the wild.

Back in the day, I put my Ric on Lay-A-Way. While I was paying it off, several new azureglow Rics came in at two different stores in my town, but they all felt dead and lifeless and had somewhat chunky necks.

I have played a few other Rics since then, and more of them sucked than not. When you find a good one, it's really good though (at least if you like Rics, which I do).

Of course taste is subjective, so maybe there are a bunch of people who love all of the Rics that I think suck. I still say, try a bunch and find one you love. Don't order blind if you can avoid it. This is good advice for all basses, but especially Rics IMHO.

A rough back strap is not going to stop the bass from twisting your jacket or shirt around your neck :bored:. I found the neck dive irritating, but my 4001 was still my #1 for 15 years anyway, so it was not a show stopper.





I was kind of a Ric collector for maybe twenty years from about 1990 to 2010, I bought some new ones but also bought a lot of Rics sight unseen on ebay, some came very nicely set up and played like a dream some came with really crappy setups and played terrible. Some I bought used in local music stores. In all I would say I owned at least 30 Rics during that time probably more, everything from a 1972 jetglo fretless to a 2009 midnight blue 4003, a couple of V-63's, a lot of early 80's Rics, 70's, I had a nice 75, a 77, a 78, a 79 which I still have, several early 80's split pickguard 4003's several early 80's 4001's, a 1985 fretless which I still own, three different fretless Rics, 90's Rics, 2000's Rics etc etc. Some had thin necks, some had medium necks, and some had what some people might consider to be big necks but the one thing i learned from that experience is that 99% of Rickenbacker playability problems are from people screwing with them or neglecting them or both because in the end all of them played nice and sounded good after I played around with them. I bought an early 80's split pickguard 4003 with wrong replacement pickups only because i wanted the color, I bought used early 4003 pickups on ebay put them in and it played and sounded great. Even brand new Rics sometimes need to be set up. In all that time, I never had a Ric that was a POS something that I thought was hopeless, something that had been made shoddily. With all those basses you would think that I would have experienced at least some of the thousands of problems you hear people here complaining about but nope, no significant tail lift, no paint blisters, no weak or dead pickups, no tree trunk necks, I did pop a neck on one but it was my fault not the basses, I fixed it, it fell over backwards once, I fixed it again, still have it, plays and sounds great. I guess I learned through trial and error.
 
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The longer and more amusing story was that I had tried trading the Tele Bass toward the new 4003, but after crunching numbers the shop declined. Not even a week later I found a Craigslist ad from someone wanting to trade his 4003 for a Tele Bass! We met in a Home Depot parking lot, tried out each other’s basses, and made the trade. He seemed happy, and I am happy (even though it turned out the neck pickup was dead. Tom Brantley took care of that). Might be worth mentioning, too, that I had a replacement pick guard on the Tele with an EMG-HB pickup. The original pick guard and mud bucker were also included.


I traded mine for a '68 CAR fretless P bass in 1976-77, not sure how old the neck was because they didn't make them until late 69 but the guy told me he bought it new and traded the neck in for the fretless neck. When I got it it had a big 'ol EB-0 pickup against the neck but the guy wanted it so I gave it back to him. That was my main bass for 20 years, I later put a 66 J neck on it after I ruined the fretless neck with Rotosounds which actually didn't take very long.
 
School me: What's the difference between a 4001 and a 4003? As a kid we were told that one was shipped with flats and the other with rounds, and that was it...


4003's were made to be able to use round wounds, 4001's were shipped with very light flats and Rotosounds weren't light and too many people weren't adjusting the necks using the correct procedure and split them and sent them back, so Ric at first turned the truss rods around and then changed the truss rod type entirely so they wouldn't split the neck if adjusted improperly. Another problem was Rotosounds ate frets back then, people blame the frets but I think it was at least partially the Rotos, I also pretty much ruined a Jazz basses' frets with them, i played a lot back then though and i was not a light player.
 
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I made a decision!

But first of all thanks for all the input, votes and replies. I didn't thought this topic would blow up like that.
Actually i was a bit hesitant creating this thread because i thought i'd probably only get 2-3 replies.

It's important to know that i'm German and although you can buy and test NEW 4003 Rickenbackers, it's not possible to find anything older. Not even in the used private market. So i'll need to buy either from America or Japan.

I decided to take the risk and go with the 79' 4001 Azureglo. The 4003 i tested sounded real god-like and if there wouldn't be any other options id even accept the baseball chunk neck, but since older Rics exist with thinner necks, smaller headstock and bigger horns, i rather try this route. Maybe the older one will sound worse... that would be detrimental. But maybe the older one will sound even better!! (although that's hard to imagine, since the 4003 was already perfect in that regard). Fact is, that if i don't take the Azureglo, it will be gone within 24 hours. But the 4003 will stay, even the limited Autumnglo version will stay here at least for half a year or so. I purchased the Azureglo through Reverb so if there should be anything faulty, i got protection. And if it shouldn't appeal to me from a sound and feel stand-point, i can just sell it.

But lets take a deep breath and think it'll be the perfect bass for life, where i don't need anything else, as it was intended to be.
 
I was kind of a Ric collector for maybe twenty years from about 1990 to 2010, I bought some new ones but also bought a lot of Rics sight unseen on ebay, some came very nicely set up and played like a dream some came with really crappy setups and played terrible. Some I bought used in local music stores. In all I would say I owned at least 30 Rics during that time probably more, everything from a 1972 jetglo fretless to a 2009 midnight blue 4003, a couple of V-63's, a lot of early 80's Rics, 70's, I had a nice 75, a 77, a 78, a 79 which I still have, several early 80's split pickguard 4003's several early 80's 4001's, a 1985 fretless which I still own, three different fretless Rics, 90's Rics, 2000's Rics etc etc. Some had thin necks, some had medium necks, and some had what some people might consider to be big necks but the one thing i learned from that experience is that 99% of Rickenbacker playability problems are from people screwing with them or neglecting them or both because in the end all of them played nice and sounded good after I played around with them. I bought an early 80's split pickguard 4003 with wrong replacement pickups only because i wanted the color, I bought used early 4003 pickups on ebay put them in and it played and sounded great. Even brand new Rics sometimes need to be set up. In all that time, I never had a Ric that was a POS something that I thought was hopeless, something that had been made shoddily. With all those basses you would think that I would have experienced at least some of the thousands of problems you hear people here complaining about but nope, no significant tail lift, no paint blisters, no weak or dead pickups, no tree trunk necks, I did pop a neck on one but it was my fault not the basses, I fixed it, it fell over backwards once, I fixed it again, still have it, plays and sounds great. I guess I learned through trial and error.

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You are clearly describing a lot of variation across the range of Rics you have owned. So I don't really think you and I are disagreeing. Apparently you like pretty much all Rics and I am a bit of a cork sniffer who thinks some are great, but many are not worth my time or effort.

I do feel my experience with Rics is a little worse than my experience with other brands. However, I have gone to stores and played plenty of Fender, Music Man, Ibanez, ..., etc and been thoroughly unimpressed. I have even played super high-end basses like Alembics that I thought were absolutely awful, although they looked really nice.

If I pick up a bass and it doesn't sound nice and feel good in my hands, it's not going home with me. I have played plenty of basses with a bad setup that still had a great feel and sound that put a smile on my face. If the shape and contour of the neck feels bad, and the strings don't speak in a way that I find pleasing, the bass goes back on the rack.

That being said, I own 8 basses and more than half of them were bought sight unseen. Luckily no dogs in the collection. I wouldn't say most of them are extraordinarily good either.
 
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I made a decision!

But first of all thanks for all the input, votes and replies. I didn't thought this topic would blow up like that.
Actually i was a bit hesitant creating this thread because i thought i'd probably only get 2-3 replies.

These Ric threads always blow up like that!

It's important to know that i'm German and although you can buy and test NEW 4003 Rickenbackers, it's not possible to find anything older. Not even in the used private market. So i'll need to buy either from America or Japan.

I decided to take the risk and go with the 79' 4001 Azureglo. The 4003 i tested sounded real god-like and if there wouldn't be any other options id even accept the baseball chunk neck, but since older Rics exist with thinner necks, smaller headstock and bigger horns, i rather try this route. Maybe the older one will sound worse... that would be detrimental. But maybe the older one will sound even better!! (although that's hard to imagine, since the 4003 was already perfect in that regard). Fact is, that if i don't take the Azureglo, it will be gone within 24 hours. But the 4003 will stay, even the limited Autumnglo version will stay here at least for half a year or so. I purchased the Azureglo through Reverb so if there should be anything faulty, i got protection. And if it shouldn't appeal to me from a sound and feel stand-point, i can just sell it.

But lets take a deep breath and think it'll be the perfect bass for life, where i don't need anything else, as it was intended to be.

Since you went for the 4001, I’ll mention a few things.

1) You may not find a need to adjust the truss rods—many have the experience that, once set to your preference, the old hairpin truss rods might not need adjustment for decades, or ever. They’re amazingly stable. But, if you want to adjust the action, it’s imperative that you learn the proper procedure; treating them like normal compression rods can cause damage. There are videos at the Rick Resource Forum website. You need to be a member and be logged in for that portion of the site to be visible. Once you’re logged in, there is a technical section near the bottom called Joey & Jangle. Under there you’ll find a few videos, one being for the 4001. You might need to download the video and convert it to a more modern file format, but video converters are easily found.

2) If the bass-choking cap is still present on the bridge pickup, and if you want to see how the bass sounds with it bypassed, just tack-solder a short wire around it. No need to remove the cap. If you find you like both sounds, and want to switch between them, the push/pull pot sold by Ric is a direct retrofit. I did this with my ‘83.

3) The stock strap buttons are the exact same part as the mute adjusting screws. If you want straplocks, the ones installed on current production Rics are made for them by Schaller and are a direct retrofit. Just unscrew the old ones and screw in the new ones. I also did this for my ‘83. (Previous owner had done it for my ‘92.) Easily reversible.
 
I made a decision!

But first of all thanks for all the input, votes and replies. I didn't thought this topic would blow up like that.
Actually i was a bit hesitant creating this thread because i thought i'd probably only get 2-3 replies.

It's important to know that i'm German and although you can buy and test NEW 4003 Rickenbackers, it's not possible to find anything older. Not even in the used private market. So i'll need to buy either from America or Japan.

I decided to take the risk and go with the 79' 4001 Azureglo. The 4003 i tested sounded real god-like and if there wouldn't be any other options id even accept the baseball chunk neck, but since older Rics exist with thinner necks, smaller headstock and bigger horns, i rather try this route. Maybe the older one will sound worse... that would be detrimental. But maybe the older one will sound even better!! (although that's hard to imagine, since the 4003 was already perfect in that regard). Fact is, that if i don't take the Azureglo, it will be gone within 24 hours. But the 4003 will stay, even the limited Autumnglo version will stay here at least for half a year or so. I purchased the Azureglo through Reverb so if there should be anything faulty, i got protection. And if it shouldn't appeal to me from a sound and feel stand-point, i can just sell it.

But lets take a deep breath and think it'll be the perfect bass for life, where i don't need anything else, as it was intended to be.


Congratulations, that's what I would have done too, Azureglos are rare and that will sound God-like too. Like farcace said check to see if that little cap is still there it goes from one of the pots to the pickup selector switch, there are two larger tone caps and that little bypass cap, most are gone by now but check just in case. The basses have a lot more presence without that cap. I just solder one strand of copper wire from one end to the other to bypass it. To adjust the truss rods, I stand 4001's up in front of me on the floor facing away from me, put my knee behind the body of the bass and pull back on the headstock until the string tension is completely off the neck then adjust the truss rods with a 1/4" nut driver. Don't be afraid of it, learn about it, 4001's are interesting beasts.
 
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You are clearly describing a lot of variation across the range of Rics you have owned. So I don't really think you and I are disagreeing. Apparently you like pretty much all Rics and I am a bit of a cork sniffer who thinks some are great, but many are not worth my time or effort.

I do feel my experience with Rics is a little worse than my experience with other brands. However, I have gone to stores and played plenty of Fender, Music Man, Ibanez, ..., etc and been thoroughly unimpressed. I have even played super high-end basses like Alembics that I thought were absolutely awful, although they looked really nice.

If I pick up a bass and it doesn't sound nice and feel good in my hands, it's not going home with me. I have played plenty of basses with a bad setup that still had a great feel and sound that put a smile on my face. If the shape and contour of the neck feels bad, and the strings don't speak in a way that I find pleasing, the bass goes back on the rack.

That being said, I own 8 basses and more than half of them were bought sight unseen. Luckily no dogs in the collection. I wouldn't say most of them are extraordinarily good either.


Well I really enjoyed getting one in not such good shape and tinkering with it until it played and sounded good, I look at any Rickenbacker that doesn't have a really major problem and say to myself, that's a Ric I can make that play as good as any other and did.
 
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4003's were made to be able to use round wounds, 4001's were shipped with very light flats and Rotosounds weren't light and too many people weren't adjusting the necks using the correct procedure and split them and sent them back, so Ric at first turned the truss rods around and then changed the truss rod type entirely so they wouldn't split the neck if adjusted improperly. Another problem was Rotosounds ate frets back then, people blame the frets but I think it was at least partially the Rotos, I also pretty much ruined a Jazz basses' frets with them, i played a lot back then though and i was not a light player.
So we were sort of right, but didn't have the whole story. Thanks!
 
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