Dunlop Flatwounds...

Dec 17, 2012
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Interested in the Dunlop Flatwounds, but I'm curious just where they would fall on this chart...

Revision of revised Darkest to Brightest

Pyramid

GHS Precision

LaBella

Ti's

Sadowsky

Fender

Chromes

GHS Bright

Rotisound 77

Does look roughly accurate?

Not looking to see anyone argue that one should be before or after another on this list, just really want to know about where YOU would put the Dunlop Flats.
 
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These threads are pretty lengthy and can give more insight

Dunlop Flatwounds premiering at NAMM

and in this one on post #119 (Page 6) I posted some samples comparing them to new and broken in TI's

My review of the new Dunlop Flatwound strings!

I've played Chromes, TI, Labella (deep talkin' and low tension), DR, GHS Precision Flats, GHS Bright Flats, and Fender.

I would say, coming from Labella and TI most recently, that they're in between Labella and TI. They're about as slick as Labella (though a little grabby at first, but it goes away quickly) and about as bright as new TI's, but with the mids of Labella. To me they're the best of both worlds between those to, and for me between rounds and flats. They feel like flats, they thump like flats, but they can have a roundwound like zing depending on how your eq or tone is set and how you play.
 
Would you say that the tension of these strings is somewhere in the middle too?

Yeah. From what I remember, they feel about the same tension as Labella Low Tension flats, even though they're higher gauge. It didn't take me long to adjust to them from the TI's. Though what I did notice is when the string is off the bass and you just gently flex it in your hands, it's as flexible as the TI's.
 
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Sweet!! Jason at BSO shows medium scale string set 45-105, but Dunlop site shows 40-100 set. Since they are apparently lower tension flats, hoping the 45-105 is what is actually available. Waiting for reply from Dunlop as to actual length of strings. Love Super Bright Nickels, hoping to enjoy their flats too!!
 
Sweet!! Jason at BSO shows medium scale string set 45-105, but Dunlop site shows 40-100 set. Since they are apparently lower tension flats, hoping the 45-105 is what is actually available. Waiting for reply from Dunlop as to actual length of strings. Love Super Bright Nickels, hoping to enjoy their flats too!!

I had 45-105 made. For short and medium scale I didn't think many would want 40-100 as they are already pretty flexible.
 
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Skip the Dunlop strings. Here's why:

At 52 weeks per year, and changing your Dunlops about 2 to 3 times per week, comes out to 130 sets of strings (52 x 2.5). The street price for super brights 5 string sets range from $22 to $36 dollars. Cheapest is PittBull on eBay for $21.03 with free shipping*.

So let's take $22 per set. That represents $2,860 that Dunlop has to make up in retail sales for the free strings given to just one artist, not to mention the wastefulness and contribution to global warming (if that's your priority).

Now consider it's likely that one artist represents a fraction of the free strings given out, maybe 5%, then Dunlop needs to make up lost revenue and profit for about $60,000 every year from those that purchase their strings. That's just one avenue of the spiffs they give out.

So my take on it is that Dunlop is heavily into the free spiffs, and I'm significantly reluctant to subsidize other people who probably make more than I.

So, my recommendation is to move to another string manufacturer that you like, and let those that appear to be excessive on spiffs know that you oppose this form of marketing.

*= cheapest I found is actually Kiesel Guitars at $20 even, but they charge shipping unless you pick up in their store. Then, you are subjected to CA state income taxes if you are a non-resident.
 
Skip the Dunlop strings. Here's why:

At 52 weeks per year, and changing your Dunlops about 2 to 3 times per week, comes out to 130 sets of strings (52 x 2.5). The street price for super brights 5 string sets range from $22 to $36 dollars. Cheapest is PittBull on eBay for $21.03 with free shipping*.

So let's take $22 per set. That represents $2,860 that Dunlop has to make up in retail sales for the free strings given to just one artist, not to mention the wastefulness and contribution to global warming (if that's your priority).

Now consider it's likely that one artist represents a fraction of the free strings given out, maybe 5%, then Dunlop needs to make up lost revenue and profit for about $60,000 every year from those that purchase their strings. That's just one avenue of the spiffs they give out.

So my take on it is that Dunlop is heavily into the free spiffs, and I'm significantly reluctant to subsidize other people who probably make more than I.

So, my recommendation is to move to another string manufacturer that you like, and let those that appear to be excessive on spiffs know that you oppose this form of marketing.

*= cheapest I found is actually Kiesel Guitars at $20 even, but they charge shipping unless you pick up in their store. Then, you are subjected to CA state income taxes if you are a non-resident.

uh......what?

I'm trying to decide if you're serious or not.

He asked about flats, not super brights..and where do you get how often he'd be changing his strings? With the flats, likely never unless he breaks one.
 
uh......what?

I'm trying to decide if you're serious or not.

He asked about flats, not super brights..and where do you get how often he'd be changing his strings? With the flats, likely never unless he breaks one.

Perfectly so. Do you ever look into the free products given out to endorsers for the products you buy? There's some truths to the free market. Some of which are:

1- Manufacturers are free to determine how best to maximize profits including giving free products to endorsers.
2- Consumers are free to determine which competing products to buy, including considering how much free products to given out.
3- Anything given freely has to be accounted for in what's sold.

I'm telling OP why I don't buy Dunlop strings. Actually one of several reasons why I don't buy Dunlop. Instead I buy GHS and Elixirs. They probably have spiffs, but I'm not aware of real life examples of excessiveness. If I learn of some, it's a good bet that I'll move on. I don't fund excessiveness of others. It's a question that each of us asks as paying consumers.

So ask yourself. If the answer is that you don't consider it's worth factoring it in to your purchases, that's fine too. It's a free market, not Venezuela or the Soviet Union (a country that I played bass in once).

The example is from an endorsing artist, not OP, btw.
 
?..So let's take $22 per set...
That estimated figure is incorrect. By your calculations, that is still a retail price. Dunlop would only have to recover their net manufacturing costs. I’m sure Dunlop has an endorsement budget, and giveaways probably have some tax benefits as well. Your post is not a realistic scenario of how business works.
 
Perfectly so. Do you ever look into the free products given out to endorsers for the products you buy? There's some truths to the free market. Some of which are:

1- Manufacturers are free to determine how best to maximize profits including giving free products to endorsers.
2- Consumers are free to determine which competing products to buy, including considering how much free products to given out.
3- Anything given freely has to be accounted for in what's sold.

I'm telling OP why I don't buy Dunlop strings. Actually one of several reasons why I don't buy Dunlop. Instead I buy GHS and Elixirs. They probably have spiffs, but I'm not aware of real life examples of excessiveness. If I learn of some, it's a good bet that I'll move on. I don't fund excessiveness of others. It's a question that each of us asks as paying consumers.

So ask yourself. If the answer is that you don't consider it's worth factoring it in to your purchases, that's fine too. It's a free market, not Venezuela or the Soviet Union (a country that I played bass in once).

The example is from an endorsing artist, not OP, btw.

Actually from that post I still don't know why you're anti-Dunlop. What is a spiff?