Double Bass GUTS ARE SO MUCH FUN!!!

Gut rules! I have been playing on guts on and off for many years but I must say that since I put Gamut medium D & G on my carved bass I can't stop playing it. My only problem is that I detest playing on a set with the A string smaller in diameter than the Gamut D, the only strings I found compatible in sound and size were the Snnovation Supersilver, Dugolecky and Gamut silver or copperwound A is also smaller in diameter. I don't know how you guys do it. Gamut bow beautifully for me but supersilver don't, I am thinking of going gut all the way now as I love the Chambers sound, how are the gut E & A's I wonder. Once I had a ful set and it was dreadful even 3 months later they were lose, if I were into slapping it wouldn't matter but with jazz I need responsive tight strings and sound. Great to have another bass strung with none problematic Mittels.
 
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For my .02 cents, Im not wasting time mixing and matching anymore, plain gut D and G and wound gut E and A and Ill spend the time saved learning my bass and how to deal with what Ive got. John
 
Your .02 cents is very much appreciated and I completely agree in theory! But as sad as it may sound I do not want to deal with it as I can not stand reverse diameter differences with my strings. I looked and spoken to manufacturers but no luck! If they at least made the A & D strings the same diameter, I could live with that but they can't, so its either go guts all the way, stick to Innovation E & A or forget it all together and order a set of Spiro Mittels the only strings that I cant fault. Guts are in deed so much fun for some!!! :confused:
Picture shows my current set up nice and even, only if the bowed the same!

timobee4
For my .02 cents, Im not wasting time mixing and matching anymore, plain gut D and G and wound gut E and A and Ill spend the time saved learning my bass and how to deal with what Ive got. John
 
That is what I am afraid of! Won't have definition! Can't get my head around the fact that Mingus and Chambers had definition in fact plenty of it! Todays technology produces incredible G and some great D strings only, I think I will get chorda strings for my birthday, by the way Mark my Gamuts are getting hairy! I thought that varnished Gamuts don't do that as much!

Timo: buy an unwound A from Gamut. It won't have much definition but it'll be bigger than the D. It'll be huge, in fact.

mark
 
Your .02 cents is very much appreciated and I completely agree in theory! But as sad as it may sound I do not want to deal with it as I can not stand reverse diameter differences with my strings. I looked and spoken to manufacturers but no luck! If they at least made the A & D strings the same diameter, I could live with that but they can't, so its either go guts all the way, stick to Innovation E & A or forget it all together and order a set of Spiro Mittels the only strings that I cant fault. Guts are in deed so much fun for some!!! :confused:
Picture shows my current set up nice and even, only if the bowed the same!
Timo I have the same exact problem when running a mixed set of strings.. SO I have decided to just stick with all plain guts and deal with it
 
Hey hey dont go away! That is what I'd like to do too, guts all the way, sod the mixing of strings for me!!! Tell me please what set are you using now, are you happy with it? How are the E & A? Do you play jazz? Once I bought a cheap set of gut strings from ebay and the E & A sounded like the string that holds up my barbed wire underpants, basically hopeless so I want some that I use and love the way I love my Gamut D & G


Timo I have the same exact problem when running a mixed set of strings.. SO I have decided to just stick with all plain guts and deal with it
 
Well right now I am using a full set of Lenzner guts and plan of replacing the A, D, G with Gamuts (when they finally go out) I do play jazz, swing, country, and roots(folk) all on all plain guts.. Its all about knowing what notes on the neck will give you the sound/tone for the song
 
That is what I am afraid of! Won't have definition! Can't get my head around the fact that Mingus and Chambers had definition in fact plenty of it! Todays technology produces incredible G and some great D strings only, I think I will get chorda strings for my birthday, by the way Mark my Gamuts are getting hairy! I thought that varnished Gamuts don't do that as much!

Mine haven't gotten hairy at all. I've had my Pistoys on since August. I haven't even so much as wiped them down so far. I had my previous set on for about a year. I had to cut a few hairs off but probably less than 5 over the entire time.

I think Chambers and Mingus used wrapped gut.

mark
 
Lucky for you Mark! My Lyon G has hair and I tried that standing trick and that produced more hair, even the D has hair but not as much. I had to buy a lighter today. They in great shape and not even 6 months old. I think I will sell them while they still great. Want to try those German Twine strings or get a set of Gamut Pistoys or Chordas, my friend showed me 40 years of gut strings in a box, hundreds, I am sure I can find some treasure there too. We'll see!


Mine haven't gotten hairy at all. I've had my Pistoys on since August. I haven't even so much as wiped them down so far. I had my previous set on for about a year. I had to cut a few hairs off but probably less than 5 over the entire time.

I think Chambers and Mingus used wrapped gut.

mark
 
...I played a full set of Gamut medium guts on 3 gigs and couldn't take it. I didn't have time for the learning curve then. I might now, but I'm not sure about the low tension. Freaks me out. Great sound for sure. The wound gut he makes is way different than any of the vintage gut or cheaper stuff. If I went there again I'd just go right to his stuff.

Phil you performed an invaluable service by taking the time to review Gamut Lyons of various gauges. really got me thinking back then about trying Gamuts. which i did and don't regret doing.

i remember you got a full set of them for Christmas or something back then but took them off after less than a week.

didn't you also try the guts with Spiros on the bottom for a time, like a Stark E and medium A? as i recall, you didn't stick with that mix for very long, and it was because of the tension difference.

tension-wise, guts take some getting used to. so easy to pluck, but they need a different technique. it is also a matter of the style of music.
 
i remember you got a full set of them for Christmas or something back then but took them off after less than a week.

didn't you also try the guts with Spiros on the bottom for a time, like a Stark E and medium A? as i recall, you didn't stick with that mix for very long, and it was because of the tension difference.

tension-wise, guts take some getting used to. so easy to pluck, but they need a different technique. it is also a matter of the style of music.
Yea the full set was so far away from what I was doing at the time that is wasn't useful for me. I didn't have the time to learn to like them and let them settle in. Tuning was nightmare, I couldn't play much in the upper register on the low strings. Perhaps that would have cleared up later but I didn't have time to find out. Now would be a better time for me to explore them, but I don't have the cheese to buy them.

I spent about a year with Spiro mittel bottoms and heavier Gamut Gut tops. I liked a whole bunch of things about that sound but eventually moved back to all spiros because the gigs I was playing worked better with them. Moving inside and outside in all kinds of weather is hell with gut strings when you do it every day. The cold made them go one way the heat the other. When outside in the summer sweat made me stick to them and I couldn't play right.

Tension difference between spiro and gut I didn't mind so much until I started playing hard and loud. Guts bottom out where the steel keep going and that got weird to the point where I'd avoid the gut section of the bass when things got loud because it couldn't keep up.

When they are cooking in the right music and environment there is nothing better than playing on gut.

The reason I gave up on them and so many others did back in the 60's was steel is stable no matter where you go in whatever weather and it has tons of power and sounds great under the bow.

My experience however is that gut has it's own kind of power that is much kinder on your hands. It takes less energy to get out a sound that projects in a room. It seems less loud on top of the bass but in the room I think it's about the same or better with gut. Pizz it cuts in a way that you can't duplicate with steel. Arco has its own version of those things but the fine hand required to get a sound out of them that doesn't suck is beyond many who wield a stick.

Now I don't travel much. I don't play much compared to what I have even earlier this year. At some point I'd love to revisit the full set and give it another go, especially with the bow.

Of course now I don't have an extra $500 for a set of strings and I know better than to try to mess with the cheap stuff.

Sooner or later I'll get back around to it.
 
Yea the full set was so far away from what I was doing at the time that is wasn't useful for me.

When they are cooking in the right music and environment there is nothing better than playing on gut.

My experience however is that gut has it's own kind of power that is much kinder on your hands. It takes less energy to get out a sound that projects in a room. It seems less loud on top of the bass but in the room I think it's about the same or better with gut. Pizz it cuts in a way that you can't duplicate with steel.

Of course now I don't have an extra $500 for a set of strings and I know better than to try to mess with the cheap stuff.

Sooner or later I'll get back around to it.

That full set of Gamuts is still going strong three years later. This is my 1937 American Standard wearing Uncle Toads full set of Gamut mediums. This picture was taken last Friday night after a jam. The bass was smoking. There is no other string for this bass…perfect! :)
 

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Yeah every picture I see of Mingus with his 5/8 bass he has what looks like super thick steels (wrapped guts). Mingus was an animal on that little beast of a bass

I have preached,,or complained for years about there not being any wrapped A&Es made in a big enough gage for my likeing,,I have a stash of NOS A&Es,,they are all much bigger than the new stings being made now,,the only thing I've seen"but not played" are some Kurshners,,and Chordas,,they both have wrapped A&Es that are bigger than the D,,and should have the same tension as the old ones I have.I know alot of guys like to use steels for A&E,,but they just dont produce the same attack,or sustain that wrapped guts do.
 
Timo: buy an unwound A from Gamut. It won't have much definition but it'll be bigger than the D. It'll be huge, in fact.

mark

That is what I am afraid of! Won't have definition! Can't get my head around the fact that Mingus and Chambers had definition in fact plenty of it! Todays technology produces incredible G and some great D strings only, I think I will get chorda strings for my birthday, by the way Mark my Gamuts are getting hairy! I thought that varnished Gamuts don't do that as much!

Timo, get the Pistoy unwound A. it has as much definition as yer gonna get. big warm sound. never needs replacing.

But: then, no matter what E string you have, it will always seem skinny! :D my advice: don't look at them, just play and listen.
 
".....don't look at them, just play and listen."

Absolutely. I'm using Lyon G/D and Spiro solo A/E. once I stopped obsessing about the difference in diameter between D and A, it ceased to be a problem.
 
Pistoy A field report-

So, I've been living with a Pistoy plain gut A for about a week. I did a gig and an arrangement session, both with no amp and I really, really liked the sound. That metallic buzz is completely gone from my bass, and my slap sound is what I hear in my head. At a most basic level I can tell you this is, for me, a usable pizz string for folk and roots music. Its far from floppy on my bass, and seriously loud. I was kinda missing that midrange presence with a loudish string band, but the huge fundamental was felt by everyone. I've found a lot of the negatives that people have suggested (huge/undefined/slow) to be true thus far to a certain degree, but it has been offset by advantages and a sonic quality I didn't expect coming from metal wrapped bottom strings. The Garbo light E matches the Pistoy better than the Garbo light A string on my bass (even arco), which was dull and clack-y sounding on my bass.

This might be me just learning the string, but so far its actually feels a little tough on my right arm compared to my Garbo light A, which spoke nicely but sounded weak. At the moment, the Pistoy is pretty hard for me to play but I'm going to try and stick with it. I've promised myself to keep the string on for at least two months to allow it to legitimately break in and to get used to it, as well as for a few amp gigs and an upcoming recording session, before drawing a final conclusion.....off to the woodshed.
 
Those Gamuts are made to last!

And they do last!

To be fair, I rotate basses frequently. No, one bass gets all my playing time. Of the three basses I have strung with Gamut’s; 1937 American Standard, 43” string length, full set of Gamut mediums; 1941 Epiphone B1, 42” string length, full set of Gamut medium lights and a 1942 Kay S-9, 42” string length, Gamut gut G&D medium, Dom solo A&E.

The Epiphone has the most playing time, that set of Gamut’s I purchased lightly used (I think from Bobby King) and they have been on that bass for four years. When the G&D strings get a little hairy (and they do) my husbands rubs them lightly with an old worn piece if fine grain sandpaper and they are like new again. I like Toad don’t think about another brand of gut strings. I have tried Labella and I have a string drawer full of NOS vintgage guts (even a full set of red-o-rays)…they were definatley much thicker in the good old days. My Gamuts are whimpy compared to some of the vintage guts.

The Gamut medium light gut seem to suit me best and I love, love, love that string on my Epiphone. If I know I am going to be in a good jam, with good players that push my envelope my Epi with Gamuts is my “go to” bass. Not that I don’t favor my other basses…my Epi is my first love. If I had to keep only one bass…that is the one. :D

So back on topic, yes! the Gamuts do last a long time and they are worth every penny. If I am playing guts, it is Gamut (full set preferably).